Worst of Canon 2023: It’s Unanimous

Okay, the camera should probably have a touch screen. Nevertheless, in a world of improving technology and rapid product obsolescence, lowest price is a woefully under-appreciated feature. Also, how strange am I for almost never using in-camera charging?
It takes 30 seconds to change a battery and the camera is tied up for 3 hours with in-camera charging. I think the craze for in-camera charging stems from phones with fixed batteries that you have to charge in the phone. Can't imagine any serious camera user not having extra batteries and a charger.
 
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It takes 30 seconds to change a battery and the camera is tied up for 3 hours with in-camera charging. I think the craze for in-camera charging stems from phones with fixed batteries that you have to charge in the phone. Can't imagine any serious camera user not having extra batteries and a charger.
I agree with you and don’t value this feature at all. That said, my 3 year old’s $80 Kidamento camera has a touch screen and charges with a cable, so maybe the complainers have a point.
 
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But introducing more sets of rules to accommodate special circumstances, such as smaller targets for increasingly longer focal lengths, can distort results. Perhaps a lens is designed to maximize performance at closer distances, an example is the Nikon 200-400 lenses without built-in converter. With a closer target it might then show better in a test chart test than it does with critters at a distance in Yellowstone. This might explain the sometimes inconsistent results of TDP's tests compared to real world usage.
That’s why testers use a smaller chart at a closer distance.
 
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It takes 30 seconds to change a battery and the camera is tied up for 3 hours with in-camera charging. I think the craze for in-camera charging stems from phones with fixed batteries that you have to charge in the phone. Can't imagine any serious camera user not having extra batteries and a charger.
The absence of in-camera charging isn't a deal breaker by any means but it is a useful extra. I don't use the in-camera charging when at home but it's convenient when travelling. When I travel with my wife on a birding trip, we take a 3 position cradle, a 45 watt Apple USB charger, 2x35 watt 2-outlet Apple chargers and we can charge 5 batteries simultaneously along with 2 iPads, 2 iPhones and my laptop with enough leads and we have back-ups if any of the chargers fail. (We take 8x LP-E6NHs for 2 cameras). You can plug in your camera to the laptop to download, and leave it plugged and it will then charge via the MacBook.
 
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I'd argue the R100 doesn't need a touchscreen.

Why? Well with the R100, Canon is selling the experience of taking photos like a real photographer, through the EVF.
Viewfinders are a 20th century invention. The great photographers of yesteryear used the rear screen of the camera to focus and compose. Not that I ever use the rear screen myself, but I think those pioneers were real photographers.
 
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Currently in the UK the R100 is selling at £499 with the 18-45 kit lens, and the R50 with same lens is £699. That makes the R50 40% more expensive. Without lenses it’s 50% more. That difference, even at £200 is significant for many people when photography probably isn’t their number one priority, and they have many other demands on their income. Time will tell who’s right and who’s wrong.
However, those are not the people that use the M50 and M6 Mk 2. Supposedly the R100 is trying desparately to attract. The M series cameras used by vloggers and content creators are still presently selling for $900 USD or more. Content creators spend more the L499 on their equipment. Even outfitting ones smartphone with attachable lenses and filters will cost well over that small difference. However the R100 falls far short of replacing the M50 or M6mk2. The form factor with EVF hump isn't compact gimbal friendly either.
 
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I like using the in camera charging especially with the R3 series camera. I do not understand why Canon makes the LP-E19 battery charger so darn big. If they designed the charger such that the batteries plugged in perpendicular to the charger the charger could be half the size and significantly lower in weight.
 
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Canon USA store is selling a refurbished R100 with a 18-35 mm kit lens for $329.


For someone on a limited budget or looking for a first camera for a child or themselves it would still be a step up from a cell phone. Sometimes a basic camera is all one wants and needs.

My first camera was a Nikkormat 35 mm film camera that my father gave me as a child. Wished I would have kept the camera....

Wish Canon made an effort to create a kit lens at least matching the Nikon 16-50 in features and image quality.
 
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I agree with you and don’t value this feature at all. That said, my 3 year old’s $80 Kidamento camera has a touch screen and charges with a cable, so maybe the complainers have a point.
Nope, your 3 year old's camera is just grooming him for a stupid phone that you can't take the battery out to charge. The complainers have been programmed to accept the idea of a phone with an irreplaceable battery even though it costs them more in both time an money (particularly when they have to send it back to Apple or whoever for battery replacement). Laptops have gone down the same road and that is really annoying. My flip phone still has a replaceable battery.:ROFLMAO:
 
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If you take the battery out to charge, then don't you need a spare battery while it's charging?
That is why I keep spare batteries. For a phone, it is handy to have both options. Recharge at night in phone, but a spare (or 2) for long conversations or long periods off grid. For a camera, the battery life is much shorter in high-use situations, so spare batteries are essential. The permanent in-phone battery problem has been somewhat mitigated by power banks, but now you have a brick bigger than the phone to carry around. An Olympus TG series camera is a good example of how a phone could be built. My TG6 has a removable battery that can be charged in the phone or out. It has external jacks and actual controls but will still survive (and operate) 50 ft under water.
 
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That is why I keep spare batteries. For a phone, it is handy to have both options. Recharge at night in phone, but a spare (or 2) for long conversations or long periods off grid. For a camera, the battery life is much shorter in high-use situations, so spare batteries are essential. The permanent in-phone battery problem has been somewhat mitigated by power banks, but now you have a brick bigger than the phone to carry around. An Olympus TG series camera is a good example of how a phone could be built. My TG6 has a removable battery that can be charged in the phone or out. It has external jacks and actual controls but will still survive (and operate) 50 ft under water.
I've never taken my TG6 that deep! Great little camera that takes super shots.
 
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Nope, your 3 year old's camera is just grooming him for a stupid phone that you can't take the battery out to charge. The complainers have been programmed to accept the idea of a phone with an irreplaceable battery even though it costs them more in both time an money (particularly when they have to send it back to Apple or whoever for battery replacement). Laptops have gone down the same road and that is really annoying. My flip phone still has a replaceable battery.:ROFLMAO:
I am sure I have heard of a 3 year old biting a battery and getting some wonderful exposure to. It must be in everyone's benefit to not have a removable battery in products marketed for under eight years or so...
 
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Nope, your 3 year old's camera is just grooming him for a stupid phone that you can't take the battery out to charge. The complainers have been programmed to accept the idea of a phone with an irreplaceable battery even though it costs them more in both time an money (particularly when they have to send it back to Apple or whoever for battery replacement). Laptops have gone down the same road and that is really annoying. My flip phone still has a replaceable battery.:ROFLMAO:
If I didn’t need constant email access for work, I would trade in my iPhone for that Nokia with the battery that lasted over a week and had the snake game.
 
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I've never taken my TG6 that deep! Great little camera that takes super shots.
The point is that it has abundant controls and access, but is still really weatherproof. My only complaint is that it has a focus bracket, but no exposure bracket and if you take the effort to manually shoot an exposure bracket with it, you can get some remarkable results in harsh light. Even a 2 shot bracket at normal exposure and 2 stops under works wonders, but -2,0,+2 will capture a lot of dynamic range. The TG7 doesn't have exposure bracket either, so no point in upgrading. My one gripe aside, I do really like that little camera.
 
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I am sure I have heard of a 3 year old biting a battery and getting some wonderful exposure to. It must be in everyone's benefit to not have a removable battery in products marketed for under eight years or so...
I'll go along with that for 3, but by 5 they need to learn what not to eat ;).
 
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Viewfinders are a 20th century invention. The great photographers of yesteryear used the rear screen of the camera to focus and compose. Not that I ever use the rear screen myself, but I think those pioneers were real photographers.
Interesting point and yes of course! Although I doubt it's a distinction many R100 buyers would worry about.

You can be a real - even professional - photographer with anything, be it a DSLR, smartphone, pinhole camera, MILC, whatever, as long as it takes pictures.

I guess I meant "real photographer" with air quotes, i.e. the first image that pops into the general publics mind when they think of the word photographer.
 
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