I haven't seen anyone mention it, but maybe Canon officially killing off the LP-E6 has something to do with it.
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The Canon EOS R5 Mark II will not function with third-party batteries
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Yes.... but I do not think he would choose winning over having that anatomy blown off.. but I might be wrong... It is Paris.. and anything goes....
Agree, always hv backup in case of failure....
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A 2130mAh battery discharging at 6A and 7.2v would run down in 3 minutes! Maybe need a fire-extinguisher grip?
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Yeah, I'm wondering how this is going to go in sub zero temperatures... going to need a dozen batteries per hour.
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What I'm confused on here is Canon realistically could have made a more simplistic battery from the start and had a DC up-converter in the camera. Even still, they could have still likely have used an up-converter circuit and sacrificed battery life so the LP-E6NH owners could have full functionality of the camera.
The reeks of them making anti-consumer decisions, or being exceptionally cheap in their engineering practices.
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A DC up-converter will only give you more voltage, but less current since the power delivery from the battery is the bottleneck. So how would an up-converter solve the power issue? Comparing it with a water hose, an up-converter will increase the pressure, but the amount of water per second won't change.
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The price of the LP-E6P in the UK is £119, which is over $150. The B&H price of $79 with 20% tax added on is only $95. It's another factor weighing in on the decision to stick with an R5 or splash out on a somewhat improved model.
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As far as I know (living in EU), there's no actual law forbidding Canon to check the battery maker (or the lens one). The rules about chargers just require that devices charging uses a standard USB-C one (but IIRC it doesn't apply to external battery chargers). Hardware interoperability is not a simple topic - "right to repair" rules may also imply third party batteries, but was adopted only this year and I don't know the details, if it explicitly requires to allow third-parties spare parts.
I never used third party batteries but I'm tempted by the ones who can be directly charged via USB-C.
Hope someone at Canon doesn't start to think something alike for flashes.... but that way they would kill all the bigger studio units and I guess someone else will stop them before Canon implement this. But it could be extended to other accessories like grips.
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My concern now is that I have seen posts saying that a firmware update will be required to use the 6P in earlier cameras. Will the firmware update result in 3rd party batteries be ignored as reported with the5Dm2? Time will tell. make that R5M2.
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Thats true, I haven't had my coffee yet and my electronics math is slow to come online.
I still question why they need the extra power - are they making up for inefficiencies in the sensor design potentially, or somewhere else in the system? Is it needed to power the cooling system? Are there lenses on the horizon that need this?
Don't get me wrong I've loved my Canon gear but I'm looking at a stack of 10 LP-E6NH batteries on my desk right now that are worthless if I were to upgrade to the R5II because they kneecap the camera.
And lets be honest, batteries have always been a money grab for Canon.
The LP-E6 was designed for the 5DII, 5DIII, 7D, 60D, 70D.
The LP-E6 was superseded by the LP-E6N which was designed for the 5DIV, 5DS, 5DSR, 6DII, 7DII, 80D, 90D, and the R.
The LP-E6N was superseded by the LP-E6NH which was designed for the R5, R5 C, R6, R6 Mark II, and R7.
At least up until this point the three different batteries are fully compatible with 19 different cameras with varying amounts of battery life, unlike the current situation with the R5II. But this still doesn't cover the 1 series, 3 series, or the more consumer orientated cameras.
In contrast when you look at Sony's current NP-FZ100 pack which is compatible with the A1, A9, A9II, A9III (which even has a global shutter), A7RIII, A7RIV, A7RV, A7SM3, A7C, A7CII, A7CR, A7III, A7IV, and even the 6600, 6700, FX30, and FX3 with full capabilities. A whopping 21 cameras. The previous iteration, the NP-FW50, is fully compatible with 34 different bodies.
- The LP-E6NH is 7.2v @ 2130mAh (16Wh) - $79.00
- The NP-FZ100 is 7.2v @ 2280mAh (16.4Wh) - $78.00
- The LP-E6P is 8.4v @ 2130mAh, (18.0Wh) - $79.00 - The same effective capacity as the NH with more electronics to power, which suggests the battery life is going to be much worse.
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Yet, they do nothing to the LP-E19 for the 4th camera in a row. Which I appreciate.
Interesting tidbit about the Sony battery and power delivery. On my photo tour to Mongolia this past January, all 3 a1's in use died or started to act erratic in the extreme cold after about 20-30 minutes. No issues with the Canon's or Nikon's outside of LCDs freezing dead and the normal battery life in cold thing.
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But it only supports 4 cameras.
Although I just looked at Nikon's compatibility chart and I suppose it could be worse.I'm guess I'm just pissed I have almost $800 in batteries that aren't as useful anymore.
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But it only supports 4 cameras.
I'm guess I'm just pissed I have almost $800 in batteries that aren't as useful anymore.
I'd be pissed too. Sometimes progress is financially painful for everyone but the company.
I imagine there are a lot of R5 video people with a similar pile of batteries that didn't rig up with V mount.
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Welcome to the nut house
So...it's basically the same Lithium cells, just with a different chip to control how much current or voltage can be safely drawn from it.
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I'm stuggling to see what the big upgrade is with the R5ii. Sure it's got a super fast sensor read out speed, but that's only really apparent in Electronic Shutter. This mode loses about a stop of DR and is a wee bit more iso noisy. You get a lot of fps with low rolling shutter. However, does anyone really need 30-40fps? I'm kind of content with my 1st curtain 12 fps. If you are someone like me that so far hasn't needed ES, then there's little advantage in a R5ii. The EVF is supposedly "improved", however, it's the same resolution as the previous model but gets the R3's eye control, if that's importaint to you. The improvements to the AF are mostly for three indoor sports which I'm pretty sure I'd never shoot. It's a camera that needs a specific and hard to find battery and the new battery grip is way more expensive than the old one...but does pretty much the same function. It's a lot of UK money for not a lot of extra or improved features. For me, I'm not seeing much benefit for a big pile of cash.
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I'm sure Sony is going to have to bump there's soon as well
Here's my confusion though the LP-E6NH is 2x CR18500 cells each at 3.7v, and the LP-E19 is 3x CR16500 cells again each with a nominal voltage of 3.6v each, how does Canon get 8.4v (can someone confirm thats what the sticker says on it) with the LP-E6P using off the shelf cells that they typically like to use?
This means either they did indeed put a step-up in the battery itself, and are compensating for that with a higher capacity CR18500 cell, or they switched to using a custom battery pack.
If it is the later, why wouldn't they make a bigger jump and go to say 9.6v and change the dimensions of the pack slightly and only inconvenience users once for the next 5-10 years versus the incremental change of going to 8.4v.
Also interestingly the full charge voltage of a CR18500 cell is 4.2v while the nominal charge is 3.7v, so did they possibly get to 8.4v by simply going to higher capacity cells and shift the software logic on when the battery is considered depleted.
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