R3 with EF400mm F2.8+ 2x extender

I tried the combination of a R3 and an EF400mm-F2.8 (with RF adaptator) with a 2X version III extender
A combination who give a 800mm F5,6 and the result is superb!!

I tried also the same combination with an 1,4x extender added
A combination who give a 1120mm F8 and the result is very good!!

For the animal domain in low light, these combinations are perfect
 
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I have used the RF 400 mm f2.8 with the RF2X tC on the R3 and R1 with phenomenal results as well. It is my favorite lens for low-light animal work because it can be 400 mm f2.8, 560 mm f4, and a 800 mm f5.6. If one can get close enough or the animal is large enough the 400 mm f2.8 is excellent at sunrises and sunsets.

Would love to see Canon announce a v2 with a built in 1.4x TC!
 
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I tried the combination of a R3 and an EF400mm-F2.8 (with RF adaptator) with a 2X version III extender
A combination who give a 800mm F5,6 and the result is superb!!

I tried also the same combination with an 1,4x extender added
A combination who give a 1120mm F8 and the result is very good!!

For the animal domain in low light, these combinations are perfect
So you say you stacked 2X version 3 with a 1.4x TC ? Certainly 1.4x was not canon and/or you did some work with the EFRF adaptor.

Only EF 2XII can be stacked with Canon 1.4.

I am interested because I have all 4 canon TCs
 
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It's possible to associate an EF-2x and an EF-1,4x extender
For that , use between them an 12mm Auto Macro Extension Tube for Canon EF

In this order - IMPORTANT for the autofocus!! :
EF400mm f2,8 + EF2x extender + 12mm macro extension + EF1,4x extender - Canon EOS
Result: 1120mm-F8 with very good pictures

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Absolute no ... the AF work perfectly because the AF informations pass through the Macro extension
No differences between with or no EF1,4x and the macro extension
Ok, you know what you know. Note that I did not mention autofocus, but maybe you like the taste of herring (the red variety, that is). My point was about the distance at which you can focus on a subject with an extension tube in place.

But even though you are apparently very sure of yourself, you might want to do a little research on the effects of an extension tube on infinity/distant focus. Keep in mind that you are discussing this with someone who has a 600/4 II, 1.4 and 2x extenders (EF MkIII and RF), and both the EF 12 II and EF 25 II extension tubes, not to mention a decent knowledge of optics.

You refer to them as ‘macro extension tubes’ for a reason: they increase magnification by allowing a lens to focus closer than it can without the tube. They don’t increase magnification very much on long lenses, the effect is inversely proportional to focal length. But the consequence of reducing the minimum focus distance is that the maximum focus distance is also reduced.

Personally, I use the extension tubes with my 600/4 when I am trying to focus on subjects closer than the native minimum focus distance of the lens (the bare lens can focus at 4.5 m / 15 feet, that drops to 4 m / 13 feet with the EF 12 tube and 3.6 m / 12 feet with the EF 25 tube. When doing so, infinity focus is lost, and subjects further than ~30 m EF 12 and 14 m with the EF 25 cannot be focused on. I have also used the combination of EF and RF extenders with the 600/4 II in a way that does not preclude focusing on distant subjects, namely a modified 3rd party RF mount adapter, as mentioned by @tron.

You don't have tt take my word for it, you can consult the Canon documentation (RTFM) for your lens, which lists the minimum and maximum focus distances for the 400/2.8 when used with the EF 12 or EF 25 extension tubes. Below is the relevant section (assuming you have the MkIII version; the max distances with the older versions are a bit longer, but not much).

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Using an extender changes the magnification, but not the minimum or maximum focus distances. What that means is that with the EF 12 tube, regardless of whether or not there are zero, one or two extenders in the stack you cannot focus on subjects further away than 13 m / 43 feet. Given that, I question your assertion that the combination with the extension tube is 'perfect for the animal domain in low light'. It may be, as long as your animal subject is closer than 13.6 m / 45 feet. Note that at that distance and the combination of 1.4x and 2x extenders for an 1120mm lens, you are framing an area of 44 x 29 cm, so if your 'animal domain' comprises anything larger than a house cat, you'll be taking perfect pictures of only part of the animals.

But like I said, you know what you know. Good luck with that.
 
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You're perhaps a great optical theorist, I'm a hands-on photographer.

When I use an 1120mm lens, it's not to take a landscape photo, but to capture details on a subject.
I would switch to a 400mm, or even a 560mm, or even an 800mm if I wanted to capture entire subjects.

Good luck with your solutions; I'll continue with mine.
Sincerely,
 
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You're perhaps a great optical theorist, I'm a hands-on photographer.

When I use an 1120mm lens, it's not to take a landscape photo, but to capture details on a subject.
I would switch to a 400mm, or even a 560mm, or even an 800mm if I wanted to capture entire subjects.

Good luck with your solutions; I'll continue with mine.
Sincerely,
What @neuroanatomist is getting at is that if you put a 12mm extension tube between the two extenders you will not be able to focus on very distant objects. I once tried it many years ago and I couldn't focus my 400mm DO II at infinity stacking a 1.4x and 2xTC with an extension tube. To what distance can you focus?
 
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What @neuroanatomist is getting at is that if you put a 12mm extension tube between the two extenders you will not be able to focus on very distant objects. I once tried it many years and I couldn't focus my 400mm DO II at infinity stacking a 1.4x and 2xTC with an extension tube. To what distance can you focus?
test at 300-400m with the 1120mm F8 .. very good result
 
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test at 300-400m with the 1120mm F8 .. very good result

I learned something today, and I like days like that. Rather than continuing to disagree, I pulled out my EF extenders, the EF 12 II tube and the 600/4 II. With them stacked in the configuration you describe above, I could indeed focus reasonably far. Not to infinity (precluding moon shots, which would be a good use case), but definitely in the 300-400 m range as you say.

The focus limitation with just the EF 12 on the 600/4 II was a few dozen meters, as Canon indicates. So clearly I was wrong above and stacking the extenders into the mix does significantly increase the maximum focus distance (vs. the tube alone), though the ability to focus on very distant subjects is still lost.

But for those looking to stack extenders for close to moderately distant subjects, your solution is a good one.
 
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How much is the autofocus negatively affected?
Still seems fast. The camera intentionally slows down AF with a TC, but the camera doesn’t know there is >1 TC when they’re stacked. Only the one connected to the lens shows up in the EXIF (that’s true with both the extension tube between two EF TCs and with a modified mount adapter between an EF and an RF TC.

At least with the 600/4 II, the AF is fast enough that it’s hard to notice the slowdown with a TC.
 
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I would just caution that using extension tubes with big lenses *can* add a weak point, I once had one shear through when subjected to a mild physical shock (although long lenses and bodies are a bit lighter nowadays, and it's better to lose a tube than suffer damage to more expensive parts of the system).
 
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I learned something today, and I like days like that. Rather than continuing to disagree, I pulled out my EF extenders, the EF 12 II tube and the 600/4 II. With them stacked in the configuration you describe above, I could indeed focus reasonably far. Not to infinity (precluding moon shots, which would be a good use case), but definitely in the 300-400 m range as you say.

The focus limitation with just the EF 12 on the 600/4 II was a few dozen meters, as Canon indicates. So clearly I was wrong above and stacking the extenders into the mix does significantly increase the maximum focus distance (vs. the tube alone), though the ability to focus on very distant subjects is still lost.

But for those looking to stack extenders for close to moderately distant subjects, your solution is a good one.
From discussions of 10-15 years ago, which are no longer searchable, I recall vaguely it was said it made a difference to focussing of whether the 1.4x was stacked before or after the 2x.
 
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Only the TC that is connected to the lens actually registers. In your example, with the 1.4x against the R3 the 2x is connected to the lens and thus f/2.8 becomes f/5.6 as the camera shows it, but it’s really f/8. If you change the aperture setting so the setting reads f/8, it’s really f/11, etc.

There’s no effect on the final result, because the metering is based on the amount of light reaching the sensor. The camera doesn’t care why there’s less light, whether there’s an undetected TC or it’s just darker outside.

However, you’ll need to keep track of the actual focal length and aperture because they’re recorded incorrectly in the EXIF metadata).
 
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