Canon announces development of the EOS R5 full-frame mirrorless camera

[PureClassA]

Right, because the R5 is big and chunky like the 5D-- oh wait, that never happened.

In all seriousness, you're probably right about the R1, but it would not surprise me one bit if even that battleship when on a small diet.

- A

Eh... we don't have dimensions yet but that R5 image seems more robust than the EOS R, closer to the current 5D. The 1RX wont have the exact sale dimensions, but it's gonna be pretty similar. I've gotten very used to my DX2 and I really like how it feels particularly with buky glass like the 85L 1.4. That lens feels very different on my 5D3

 

[tron]

& Who confirmed you that it is 45 Mpx & not 40 or even 31 Mpx!!

clearly Canon has not said anything on Mpx in the announcement & no mention of codecs, ISO improvements , DR improvements or bit depth for video either. What kind of Development Announcement was that ?? 8K ??


It looks like Canon marketing may have been forced (or even preempted) to announce this 8K wonder of R5 camera as they may have got news that SONY might announce something big with A7S3 or A74.

& why are you assuming 8K will be 1:1 readout on R5 ? to have at least 40 mpx as your assumed resolution


& How can canon let R5 spit out 20 frames( at say 45 mpx ) when the 1DX3 can do the same at 20 mpx ?? clearly there is a catch here.

Canon has a history of crippling lower end cameras so that they don't hurt the sales of Higher end one's.

& battery life will make a hell of a difference to the 5D4 pro's if canon wants to switch them to R5. It is major. For 5D4 PRO's to switch to R5 it has to be significantly better than 5D4 in every aspect.Period.

RF glass is expensive as hell so business wise one has to justify switching from EF to RF is well worth it.

& Don't just be a blind canon fanboy; look at the competition...look Fuji is coming to beat you & so is Panasonic. The majority of high Mpx 5Ds crowd i know has already switched to Fuji GFX50 & the video crowd have already switched to S1H.
Canon needs to deliver a very heavy punch with R5 both in photo & video to win back those who have left or are about to leave...but that looks like a tall task.

You continue your Bull! And who told you troll that it will be 40? And isn't 40 greater than Panasonic's 24mp?
Why you dislike 40 so much but you are OK with 45?
Who told you troll that here will not be a 5D5 ?
Doesn't Panasonic have a rating of 400 per battery? Much less than 5D4.

Why you dislike it before it's real?

Goodbye TROLL!
P.S
By the way which camera do you have that is better than anything else?

 

[sulla]

Though I like the MP numbers implied with 8k that really is the only thing I'd take from an R5 over a 1DX III.

plus the RF 50 1.2 lens. can't have that on the 1D, unfortunately.

 

[Kit Lens Jockey]

7.1 with 7 steps IS and IBIS? who cares it is 7.1 anymore?

Anyone who isn't taking a photo of something that's standing perfectly still.

 

[David_E]

The 1DX3 does a jillion things that I'm sure (we will find out) the R5 cannot or will not. Besides the obvious build quality difference,

How is this difference obvious to you? Have you seen the two models side-by-side, or done a tear-down? Among others in my Canon collection are an M5 and a 5D IV. I don't see any difference between the two in fit and finish. I'm sure the 5D is designed to take more punishment, but I've been dragging the little M5 through swamp, field, and forest in nature photography for nearly two years and it shows no signs of deterioration.

 

[ahsanford]

Eh... we don't have dimensions yet but that R5 image seems more robust than the EOS R, closer to the current 5D.

Seems more robust, I agree, but its not discernibly bigger. These are mockups from our CR peers (the animated gif has some parallax/projection shenanigans going on due to a slightly different positioning of the cameras):



There may be subtle beefing up in areas, and the R5 may have gotten thicker front to back (which can certainly make a grip feel chunkier), but I'm seeing way more of a 'one body size for all price points' sort of A7 move here than I am a step towards a 5D size.

- A

 

[BillB]

I dont think it matters when you are literally choosing between 2 cameras from the same company, Canon wins either way.

It matters to Canon if one of the cameras you are choosing between is one you have already.

 

[koenkooi]

Seems more robust, I agree, but its not discernibly bigger. These are mockups from our CR peers:

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There may be subtle beefing up in areas, and the R5 may have gotten thicker front to back (which can certainly make a grip feel chunkier), but I'm see a 'one body size for all price points' sort of A7 move here, and that disappoints me.

- A

The RP is a lot smaller than the R, and the R6 rumour said the R6 and share the EG-E1.

 

[sanj]

Why do you even turn it off? I keep turned it on even when it’s resting on a shelf and it doesn’t eat anything from the battery

Ah. Good point. Must inform Canon. They can remove it and make camera still better.

 

[BillB]

• With all this talk about lenses and potential camera prices, not much has been said about the sensor itself. Will it be a stacked sensor like the patent Canon published on Dec 21, 2017? The press release talks about an all new sensor (probably not just because it is likely 45 mp).
  As an example the A9 has a stacked sensor that allows it to shoot 20fps.

  Canon always say a new camera has a new sensor, but given the performance specs, the R5 would seem to be something very different from anything Canon has done.

 

[sanch]

rumors? it was announced. 8k video.

and it's not that hard. the 1DX III does 5.5k60p which is right around the same as 8k30p in terms of bitrate.

Yes but the compromise is not stated. I feel there will be a massive compromise. 8K in that body is too far fetched.

 

[padam]

There may be subtle beefing up in areas, and the R5 may have gotten thicker front to back (which can certainly make a grip feel chunkier), but I'm see a 'one body size for all price points' sort of A7 move here, and that disappoints me.

- A

Yes, you can see on the video that it's gotten thicker, because of the IBIS and advanced video features. The silver mount protrusion is just a tiny bit less.

The high-megapixel model might use a similar body to the R5. but the rest should be different.

 

[ahsanford]

How is this difference obvious to you? Have you seen the two models side-by-side, or done a tear-down? Among others in my Canon collection are an M5 and a 5D IV. I don't see any difference between the two in fit and finish. I'm sure the 5D is designed to take more punishment, but I've been dragging the little M5 through swamp and forest in nature photography for nearly two years and it shows no signs of deterioration.

From a build perspective, I think it's obvious by reputation and (I guess) a higher published shutter life as some proxy metric for toughness and durability.

But surely that reputation is earned. War correspondents and arctic tundra wildlifers generally are not toting M5s.

But I defer to the actual 1-series folks here. I do not own one.

- A

 

[PureClassA]

Seems more robust, I agree, but its not discernibly bigger. These are mockups from our CR peers:

View attachment 188667 View attachment 188670

There may be subtle beefing up in areas, and the R5 may have gotten thicker front to back (which can certainly make a grip feel chunkier), but I'm see a 'one body size for all price points' sort of A7 move here, and that disappoints me.

- A

I think honestly the thickness of it is what is most important. That's what affects my grip the most and I suspect the same for most others

 

[PureClassA]

By the way which camera do you have that is better than anything else?

Clearly which ever one the men in the little white coats leave in his padded cell...

 

[ahsanford]

I think honestly the thickness of it is what is most important. That's what affects my grip the most and I suspect the same for most others

Thickness and width matters. A wider back is more room for dedicated buttons and controls.

Speaking of controls, do we know if that's a proper 5D sized wheel or more like a 90D sized one?

- A

 

[sulla]

Anyone who isn't taking a photo of something that's standing perfectly still.

well, you can say that of the 100-400 4.5-5.6 as well. 400 @ f/5.6 is very nearly the same aperture as 500 @ f/7.1, both 71-72mm in diameter. As far as I see, the 100-500 would probably be f/5.6 up until 400mm, so I think of the 100-500 basically as a 100-400 with an 100mm extended zoom range.
7.1 is 2/3 of a stop slower than 5.6, so its not that dramatic, sensors with better ISO performance will cope with that quite well.
AF performance will be a bit worse with narrower apertures, but i think newer AF system will cope with that very well, too.

I wonder if the 100-500 will work with the new extenders. Probably yes, as the 100-400 does (I believe).
200-1000 f/9-14... Well, I'm not sure dual pixel AF systems can cope with that, but that might be nice for shooting the moon.

 

[amorse]

& Who confirmed you that it is 45 Mpx & not 40 or even 31 Mpx!!

clearly Canon has not said anything on Mpx in the announcement & no mention of codecs, ISO improvements , DR improvements or bit depth for video either. What kind of Development Announcement was that ?? 8K ??


It looks like Canon marketing may have been forced (or even preempted) to announce this 8K wonder of R5 camera as they may have got news that SONY might announce something big with A7S3 or A74.

& why are you assuming 8K will be 1:1 readout on R5 ? to have at least 40 mpx as your assumed resolution

I think we can safely assume at least a 40MP (or more) sensor and near 1-1 readout for 8K because 8K needs 7680 pixels in width. On a full frame camera (2x3 aspect ratio) that means a vertical 5129 pixels to keep a 2x3 aspect ratio, or 39.3MP. If the sensor is 39.3MP then it is a 1:1 read out full width of the sensor. Any bigger and then we can start discussing what would likely be a small crop (for 1:1 readout) unless the sensor has WAY more resolution than 40MP. Even if it had the resolution of an a7R IV, 8K would require over 80% of the sensor width to do a 1-1 readout. For context, the EOS R crop in 4k used just over 50% of the sensor width to film 4K, hence the big crop.

In other words, the sensor will be at least 40MP, and if there is a crop, it will be a lot less than what was on the EOS R unless this camera has more than 60MP in resolution. We don't need Canon to disclose the sensor resolution to figure that out - it should be pretty straight forward.

 

[PureClassA]

Though I like the MP numbers implied with 8k that really is the only thing I'd take from an R5 over a 1DX III.

Would you actually shoot in 8K? I guess there may be SOME instances where you want (for example) a landscape pan or something where you really want to milk every bit of detail and then you compress it to 4k or 1080p in post, but I can't ever see myself just shooting in 8K routinely if not hardly ever. My head is spinning just imaging the data file sizes for 1 min of 24p video. It's great Canon is doing it, because it opens the doors for other specs that are much more usable (like 4k120).

 

[PureClassA]

Thickness and width matters. A wider back is more room for dedicated buttons and controls.

Speaking of controls, do we know if that's a proper 5D sized wheel or more like a 90D sized one?

- A

No one knows, but i think someone asked the same question earlier, thinking the wheel looked smaller than a 5D