5D Mk III vs D800/E, is the 5D3 better at anything?
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FPS or how to spot a biased/incompetent review site!
This has happened a lot. Biased site or those who should know better have quoted the maximum frame rate on certain Nikon cameras as the fastest possible, they often fail to mention that to acheive this the camera has to be switched into a crop mode, or into 12 bit instead of 14. They then compare this figure directly with the competition making no mention that it isn't a like for like comparison, and most times failing to even state what that figure actually is.
At the time of the D700 it became almost impossible to find the true full resolution frame rate to compare with the 5D MkII
This has happened a lot. Biased site or those who should know better have quoted the maximum frame rate on certain Nikon cameras as the fastest possible, they often fail to mention that to acheive this the camera has to be switched into a crop mode, or into 12 bit instead of 14. They then compare this figure directly with the competition making no mention that it isn't a like for like comparison, and most times failing to even state what that figure actually is.
At the time of the D700 it became almost impossible to find the true full resolution frame rate to compare with the 5D MkII
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Several of these points are very questionable / complete guesses. It's as if you want the 5d3 to be "worse" by guessing it is?
So for me: I much prefer the WB that comes from my 5dii compared with my friends d3s. I much prefer the files too - they have a look that Nikon doesn't. The jog wheel on the back means I can get to a file in 1/10th of the time that he does. I also think the 5d3 is the best overall balanced camera on the market - I certainly don't WANT a 36mp camera and the vast vast majority of people don't need it either - they just want something with a bigger number than their friends. Nikon users didn't want it either according to the poll on nikonrumours.
The key point for me though is that Canon is a SYSTEM and not a BODY. People crush on bodies too much these days.
The Canon primes are just out of this world and getting better. Canon have the best 24-70 now and arguably the best 70-200. Now we have a wireless flash system too. The 24 TSE is renowned (although the nikon 12-24 is also) for landscapes and architecture. I don't know about the long lenses - not my area.
These things can make much more of a difference to the work of a photographer than a body.
When I'm at a wedding I get asked all the time how my camera produces these effects (notably DOF effects) and people are surprised when I answer "it's the lens".
Remember: Canon is a SYSTEM not a BODY.
So for me: I much prefer the WB that comes from my 5dii compared with my friends d3s. I much prefer the files too - they have a look that Nikon doesn't. The jog wheel on the back means I can get to a file in 1/10th of the time that he does. I also think the 5d3 is the best overall balanced camera on the market - I certainly don't WANT a 36mp camera and the vast vast majority of people don't need it either - they just want something with a bigger number than their friends. Nikon users didn't want it either according to the poll on nikonrumours.
The key point for me though is that Canon is a SYSTEM and not a BODY. People crush on bodies too much these days.
The Canon primes are just out of this world and getting better. Canon have the best 24-70 now and arguably the best 70-200. Now we have a wireless flash system too. The 24 TSE is renowned (although the nikon 12-24 is also) for landscapes and architecture. I don't know about the long lenses - not my area.
These things can make much more of a difference to the work of a photographer than a body.
When I'm at a wedding I get asked all the time how my camera produces these effects (notably DOF effects) and people are surprised when I answer "it's the lens".
Remember: Canon is a SYSTEM not a BODY.
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I'm sick of reading inaccurate fanb0i propaganda (BTW, nice cover for a Noink troll, just claim you're a "current" Canon user 
) like "6FPS with grip" since 2007. No, like the D700 & D300 before it, you not only need the battery grip, you also need a new battery to achieve that slight increase in FPS. The stock EN-EL3 that comes in the box won't give you added FPS even if you use the battery grip, you have to buy the D3/D4 battery (EN-EL4). Add those two overpriced items up and that is already ~$500, so now even the price delta between the 5D3 & D800 disappears.
) like "6FPS with grip" since 2007. No, like the D700 & D300 before it, you not only need the battery grip, you also need a new battery to achieve that slight increase in FPS. The stock EN-EL3 that comes in the box won't give you added FPS even if you use the battery grip, you have to buy the D3/D4 battery (EN-EL4). Add those two overpriced items up and that is already ~$500, so now even the price delta between the 5D3 & D800 disappears.
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To me, the price of the body is only a part of the total equation.
If you're serious enough to be wanting a good FF camera, you also want lenses, flashes and all sorts of other accessories to get those shots and a camera that makes it easy to get them.
To me, while Nikon make some very good cameras, their lenses are just too expensive for me and they don't seem to offer much more than Canon do for the focal lengths I use.
I made the decision to go with Canon after dallying with Nikon, some time ago and I find this berating of the 5D3 against the D800 rather childish.
I bet that in a year or 2, when you are salivating over these gorgeous landscapes taken by top photographers, and the fantastic studio shots in magazines etc., that the majority of them will be taken using Canon cameras, and not Nikon, just as they are now.
Most true pros don't pixel peep like many of us amateurs. They're too busy taking GOOD photos to worry about it.
It's a bit like boasting that your car can do 0-60mph 1/10th of a second quicker than another car, and so your car MUST be a better car. But you never mention how dreadfull it is going around corners or the poor build quality and poor re-sale value.
It's really just a childish attitude.
If you're serious enough to be wanting a good FF camera, you also want lenses, flashes and all sorts of other accessories to get those shots and a camera that makes it easy to get them.
To me, while Nikon make some very good cameras, their lenses are just too expensive for me and they don't seem to offer much more than Canon do for the focal lengths I use.
I made the decision to go with Canon after dallying with Nikon, some time ago and I find this berating of the 5D3 against the D800 rather childish.
I bet that in a year or 2, when you are salivating over these gorgeous landscapes taken by top photographers, and the fantastic studio shots in magazines etc., that the majority of them will be taken using Canon cameras, and not Nikon, just as they are now.
Most true pros don't pixel peep like many of us amateurs. They're too busy taking GOOD photos to worry about it.
It's a bit like boasting that your car can do 0-60mph 1/10th of a second quicker than another car, and so your car MUST be a better car. But you never mention how dreadfull it is going around corners or the poor build quality and poor re-sale value.
It's really just a childish attitude.
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This comparison is too simple to be meaninfull.
* Price difference might change as cameras hit the market and pre-orders are done.
* A grip to get the same frame rate costs extra (so does the AA filter-less version), decreasing the price difference.
* IMHO, pop up flash is a very small advantage on this class of camera. Spend < U.S.$300 and get a much better 370ex II.
* As for Dynamic Range, Color Fidelity, and Noise, I'll wait for the reviews to see how inferior the 5Dmk3 is.
* I'm not dismissing those who need f/8.0, but personally I'd rather have superior AF when using fast lenses. Point being, this depends on the photographer's needs.
* I'm not dismissing those who need more megapixels, I need it so rarely, I'd rather stick with 21-22MP and save on resources.
[Yeah, yeah, yeah, disk space is cheap, memory is cheap, etc. For me, the extra pixels aren't worth even that.]
* Couldn't care less for in camera lens correction. There's DPP free with the 5Dmk3, and personally I have DxO for those purposes. Is capture NX available for free with the D800? If so, is it as good as DPP?
[I'm asking because I've heard Capture NX isn't available with all Nikon cameras, not because I have an opinion that capture NX is inferior to DPP / Photoshop / DxO / whatever.]
* Price difference might change as cameras hit the market and pre-orders are done.
* A grip to get the same frame rate costs extra (so does the AA filter-less version), decreasing the price difference.
* IMHO, pop up flash is a very small advantage on this class of camera. Spend < U.S.$300 and get a much better 370ex II.
* As for Dynamic Range, Color Fidelity, and Noise, I'll wait for the reviews to see how inferior the 5Dmk3 is.
* I'm not dismissing those who need f/8.0, but personally I'd rather have superior AF when using fast lenses. Point being, this depends on the photographer's needs.
* I'm not dismissing those who need more megapixels, I need it so rarely, I'd rather stick with 21-22MP and save on resources.
[Yeah, yeah, yeah, disk space is cheap, memory is cheap, etc. For me, the extra pixels aren't worth even that.]
* Couldn't care less for in camera lens correction. There's DPP free with the 5Dmk3, and personally I have DxO for those purposes. Is capture NX available for free with the D800? If so, is it as good as DPP?
[I'm asking because I've heard Capture NX isn't available with all Nikon cameras, not because I have an opinion that capture NX is inferior to DPP / Photoshop / DxO / whatever.]
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5D mark III plastic !!!
No way.
I am so sick and tired of this Nikon/Canon topics.
No one thinks about Lenses
No one thinks about taking pictures instead of all kind of numbers and specs.
For me no more forums till this hype is over.
I know replies will follow.
Edward van Altena
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No way.
I am so sick and tired of this Nikon/Canon topics.
No one thinks about Lenses
No one thinks about taking pictures instead of all kind of numbers and specs.
For me no more forums till this hype is over.
I know replies will follow.
Edward van Altena
www.wildlife-photos.net
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Bennymiata said:
There does seem to have been a large influx of "fanboyish" behaviour on both sides since the annoucements.
Personally my opinion is that Canon seems to target the market rather differently from Nikon with a clearer spilt between cheaper and more expensive gear. I thinking that may explain there putting more focus on FPS/ISO/AF since FF SLR's represent the highest level of performance in those areas where as they are always going to play second fiddle to MF in pure resolution, hence more people buying 1DX's and 10K super tele's than spending similar amounts on high megapixel bodies likes the D3x and 1Ds3 and landscape/studio lenses.
Even ignoring the fanboy element I don't think you can really trust the net to give you a proper representation of the market. Photo forums are naturally inhabited by amatures focused on resolution(espeically landscape shooters IMHO), I say that as one myself as that kind of shooting a bit more "tech heavy" and those who do it more intersted in that side of things, the gear won't take great pics for you but its needed more to get certain results. The D800E is basically the ideal camera for this market(seriously weighing up switching myself since I'm mostly tied to EF-S lenses anyway) but I'm guessing the 5D mk3 may target a larger silent market.
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I noticed some saying that the 5D MkIII noise performance was "equal" to that of the D800. How was that comparison done? At the pixel level, or by downsampling the D800 megapixels? Also, is that just for low ISO, or mid range, or high? I was under the impression that the D800 has better noise performance around ISO 100-200 but that the Canon was better at high ISO's.
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- 5D Mk III vs D800/E, is the 5D3 better at anything?
* I would think that the 5D might have a slight high ISO advantage
* more speed (EDIT: actually Nikon is faster by processing MPs - 4*36=144 vs 6*22=132)
* in camera video (intra/inter frame)?
That's about it, the number of MP is not exactly the question of being better but what is needed, so both might have their uses.
In general the D800 looks more mature/better product as I could count more benefits:
* AF is the same as the D4 and it is also up to F8
* solid weather sealing
* magnesium alloy body
* very good DR
* no banding
* choice of AA filter/filterless model
* better flash system
* better f-sync
* uncompressed HDMI output
* better price
* better functionality for constrainting sync speed auto iso
Also, Canon's new flash sytem is complete miss IMO - there are much better and cheaper 3rd party stuff around (distance, configuration flexibility etc)
* I would think that the 5D might have a slight high ISO advantage
* more speed (EDIT: actually Nikon is faster by processing MPs - 4*36=144 vs 6*22=132)
* in camera video (intra/inter frame)?
That's about it, the number of MP is not exactly the question of being better but what is needed, so both might have their uses.
In general the D800 looks more mature/better product as I could count more benefits:
* AF is the same as the D4 and it is also up to F8
* solid weather sealing
* magnesium alloy body
* very good DR
* no banding
* choice of AA filter/filterless model
* better flash system
* better f-sync
* uncompressed HDMI output
* better price
* better functionality for constrainting sync speed auto iso
Also, Canon's new flash sytem is complete miss IMO - there are much better and cheaper 3rd party stuff around (distance, configuration flexibility etc)
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caMARYnon said:
No !!
Also magnesium alloy.
http://sohoa.vnexpress.net/Files/Subject/3B/9B/5A/87/Canon_EOS_5D_Mark_III_body_back-286x300.jpg
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Indeed:Alker said:
"The EOS 5D Mark III’s body construction is a combination of durable materials – a steel base plate to which the magnesium alloy body shell is attached. The camera also features a robust dust-proof and drip-proof construction, where body panels interlock rather than adjoin, and all seams, buttons and dials are provided with secure rubber sealing. The protection provided by the design and sealing is equivalent to that of the EOS-1N film camera; the weather-sealing standard by which other professional cameras were judged."
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Canon =
1. 70-200 f4 options that Nikon doesn't offer (yet)
2. best TS-E's
3. Biggest lens selection
4. Biggest second hand market by far (at least in europe)
5. Best 70-200/2.8
6. Unique lenses like the 8-15 Fish Eye, the new primes with IS, 200-400 and MP-E65
7. The possibility to use thousands and thousands of ALT lenses, even Nikons.
Just some things that people might forget when talking about BODIES all the time (and yes I know this topic is about the comparison of 2 recently announced bodies, but IMO this whole thing about switching and buying purely based on a body is crazy). Like some1 already stated in this thread, It's not just the body your buying, it is the whole system.
And yes, I do get tempted every time Nikon shells out an incredible body. But it's much more then bodies. And IMO the lens possibilities for the Canon system are unsurpassed and offer more possibilities.
OT:
I've got an 5D2 and for me the 5D3 isnt tempting enough.
If Canon launched a cam like the D800 I might have been.
I dont need AF cause I use Zeiss (21, 35/2, 50/1.4, 100/2) So why should I upgrade to the 5D3 now that doesnt support interchangeble focussingscreens.
Ill wait a couple of months/years. Till the price lowers to about 2500 Euro's or something.
1. 70-200 f4 options that Nikon doesn't offer (yet)
2. best TS-E's
3. Biggest lens selection
4. Biggest second hand market by far (at least in europe)
5. Best 70-200/2.8
6. Unique lenses like the 8-15 Fish Eye, the new primes with IS, 200-400 and MP-E65
7. The possibility to use thousands and thousands of ALT lenses, even Nikons.
Just some things that people might forget when talking about BODIES all the time (and yes I know this topic is about the comparison of 2 recently announced bodies, but IMO this whole thing about switching and buying purely based on a body is crazy). Like some1 already stated in this thread, It's not just the body your buying, it is the whole system.
And yes, I do get tempted every time Nikon shells out an incredible body. But it's much more then bodies. And IMO the lens possibilities for the Canon system are unsurpassed and offer more possibilities.
OT:
I've got an 5D2 and for me the 5D3 isnt tempting enough.
If Canon launched a cam like the D800 I might have been.
I dont need AF cause I use Zeiss (21, 35/2, 50/1.4, 100/2) So why should I upgrade to the 5D3 now that doesnt support interchangeble focussingscreens.
Ill wait a couple of months/years. Till the price lowers to about 2500 Euro's or something.
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