5D Mk III vs D800/E, is the 5D3 better at anything?

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Re: Can't really compare side by side

clicstudio said:
If I were just starting photography and Needed to decide between brands and had a tight budget, I would never choose canon.


If you were just starting photography you'd hardly be like WHOAAAAA THIS LATEST NIKON FULL FRAME CAMERA PROVIDES HIGH RESOLUTION, SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU GET ON A MEDIUM FORMAT! IT EVEN COMES WITH AN OPTION TO REMOVE YOUR ANTI-ALIASING SENSOR, MEANING I CAN GET SHARPER IMAGES, JUST NEED TO BECAREFUL ABOUT THAT MOIRE

This, if anything is aimed at the experienced user - who will, more likely than not - already have invested in a deep set of lenses, and wouldn't jump ship - that said, if the D800 IS successful, Canon can easily hit back - so theres even LESS reason to jump - just patience is needed in that regard
 
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Re: Can't really compare side by side

Tcapp said:
clicstudio said:
If I were just starting photography and Needed to decide between brands and had a tight budget, I would never choose canon.
Unless you want to buy lenses to use on the cameras. Have you seen Nikon lens prices?!

... there are other things out there than Nikon & Canon :-) ... and 3rd party lenses fit on Nikon mounts, too. But seeing the latest Canon price tags (doubling the price for "upgraded" gear) I have to somewhat agree with clicstudio. The long-run full frame upgrade path in the Canon world is very expensive, while other brands might be quicker to make larger sensors or more mp available to the general public.

awinphoto said:
Is it that Canon shooters are the most open minded shooters out there or have we gone crazy? You go onto nikonrumors, say one bad thing about nikon, and you get openly flogged... you go onto canonrumors, say bad things about canon and people agree...

I have to agree most people around here aren't that fanboy-like and while using Canon even consider T*****, T***** or S**** lenses an alternative :-p ... I don't know Nikon rumors, but it would be interesting what the reason for this reason in culture is (if there is indeed any).

One thing I'm annoyed about and that makes me fanboy-immune is Canon marketing that constantly seems to be out to put annoyances into products to make people upgrade to the "next best thing". The latest Nikon releases d7000/d800 seem to go into the different direction: evenly balanced products for an ok price. But still I got the 60d when I had to decide because I like the feel and handling of Canon better.
 
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Re: Can't really compare side by side

clicstudio said:
Hundreds more than the D800 and with half the IQ.
It's when people make grandiose statements like this that I realise that nikons marketing has done their job.

If we're talking low iso and the d800 is 100% iq, the 5d3 is probably something like 90%. I can guarantee you that, when the dxo results come out, the 5d3 will not receive a mark which is 50% of that of the d800.

If we're talking high iso, the graph tests so far show the 5d3 has better dr at high iso and you can't use all 36mp - you need to scale it down to get decent results, as expected.

And 36mp is only about 25% bigger than 22 anyway.

And if you look at the actual results - the photographs - produced by both bodies, the 5d3 still produces "nicer" looking photos to my eye. A video review showed the same and agreed.
 
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If you took both the 5dmk3 and the d800 along with 2 flagship lens for an outing or event - or lens of choice as long as its similar to each manufacturer, i.e. canon 50mm L and the nikon equivalent. Or the new canon (when avl) 24-70mm vs, the nikon counterpart.:

1. Would you load the images and be wowed "OMG the d800 is better on paper and my images truly reflect it! im so happy..."
2. Find flaws in images from both cameras and observe where it was technically the shooter not the lens or body? while some acceptable variations may occur the overall results compared would be similar.
3. Or make a choice not bashing one or the other resulting in proffering the ergonomics of one, the processing, and all overall basic results.

For example on #3, when I shot film there was something that I favored in nikon film cameras, the color was different, i favored it more. I shot the counterpart canon body and lens and preferred the results form my nikon film camera, it was to my needs. Now canon fills the need, or i can adjust the need in pp.
 
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dturano said:
3. Or make a choice not bashing one or the other resulting in proffering the ergonomics of one, the processing, and all overall basic results.

For example on #3, when I shot film there was something that I favored in nikon film cameras, the color was different, i favored it more. I shot the counterpart canon body and lens and preferred the results form my nikon film camera, it was to my needs. Now canon fills the need, or i can adjust the need in pp.
Just out of curiosity (and as a film shooter), why do you think the colour was better when shooting film on a Nikon? The glass? Or the light meter? I can't think of anything else that could affect colour, since it's primarily the film's role to determine such things.
 
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kraats said:
Great pics is not about the camera and its specs. It is about the photographer and its creativity/style. So go out and shoot some!

Except for sports shooting, I guess we can all agree on that. But beyond that, mostly its a matter of putting hard earned money into an soon-to-be outdated body or in (what) lenses. And of course the thought if magic lantern runs on a body...

Concerning "shoot some": Lightroom is still processing the 1k shots from yesterday, what would I do in the meantime than post some :-p ... but have fun with your new 5d3, you should considering the investment.
 
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kraats said:
Great pics is not about the camera and its specs. It is about the photographer and its creativity/style. So go out and shoot some!

I'm sorry, but this is such a naive addage. Skill certainly plays a role, but better equipment in the hands of a skilled photographer WILL improve that photographers capabilities. Both the 5D III and D800 will help a skilled photographer produce better photographs and higher rates of keepers.

clicstudio said:
If u Are a studio photographer Who shoots 100 ISO images with a tripod, then this is The camera to get...
Unless u Are a wedding or concert photographer, the 5D is not a good deal. Hundreds more than the D800 and with half the IQ.

The D800 is a bit more niche and has an edge on Canon's offering in terms of resolution and DR, but none of the D800's bonuses are enough for anyone to seriously consider switching brands. Unbelievably naive statements like "5D is not a good deal...half the IQ" only serve to demonstrate you are an easier brainwash than the general population. The 5D III has an edge on the D800 in a couple areas, such as AF and better video (3x3 binned, low-moire vs. skip-line, high-moire recording). Comparing the cameras head to head, technologically, they are pretty equivalent. The D800 has a slight edge of maybe 5-10% IQ improvement. In terms of viability for use in pretty much any situation, the 5D III probably has a 5-10% edge...spec-wise its an ideal full-frame general purpose camera.
 
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jrista said:
I'm sorry, but this is such a naive addage. Skill certainly plays a role, but better equipment in the hands of a skilled photographer WILL improve that photographers capabilities. Both the 5D III and D800 will help a skilled photographer produce better photographs and higher rates of keepers.

The IQ of my prints would improve enormously with a top of the range printer, no other work needed to get better prints.
 
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Canon is doing one important thing better the Nikon D800 and that is delivering product. I've had a D800 order in since February and I still hear nothing. Canon is delivering product (unless you are talking super-tele, 1Dx, or the new 24-70 II). This seems like a strange time. Canon is announcing all these new video cameras and lenses all over 10k or 15k. I'm guessing we are lucky to even have gotten the 5D III still camera - no wonder it was $3,500.
 
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I haven't read the whole thread, but here's my reply to the OP.

In its latest issue, the French magazine "Chasseur d'Images" did a side by side review of both the 5DIII & D800. There conclusion is not at all that of the OP.

For those who don't know, Chasseur d'Images is a respected review, that has very systematic testing protocols. you might not agree with there approach, but you can't deny that they come closest to what you might call scientifically grounded tests.

The review of the two cameras where both in the lab and in the field. TO make a 30 page long story short, here's their summarized conclusion.

The resolution advantage of the Nikon is only relative as it will matter only for prints A2 (40cm x 60cm) and higher. However, Nikon is a clear DR winner with 14 il at 100iso. The Canon only has 12il. The difference equalizes as you move up the iso scale. They do note however that the Canon raws still give plenty of room for highlight and shadow recovery, and that they can sustain severe post treatment. At higher iso, the DIII pulls ahead (less noise), delivering useable results at 12800, where the Nikon pretty much breaks down. Still, they rate the high iso of the Nikon impressive given its resolution. At 3200iso, the 2 cameras are practically equal.

AF on fast incoming mobiles yields a slight advantage to the Canon. All in all, however, both cameras seem to deliver very high, responsive and reliable performance in this department.

In spite of its less sophisticated metering system, the Canon delivers very good and reliable results. So does the Nikon, but that should have been expected as the D700 already excelled at that.

Noise : the Canon has a clear advantage over the Nikon, even in standard mode. The canon silent mode receives raving comments : it makes it possible to use continuous shooting in a concert hall. The camera might be heard only during a triple pianissimo or a flute solo, the reveiwer says. Sound measurement in silent mode yields 52db, more less the same level as the mirrorless Sony nex5.

menus and interface : there seems to be an agreement that the Canon is ahead.

Viewfinder : both are bright, crisp, and pleasant for people who wear glasses.

Very few negative points on either cameras. Nikon : the size of the files which makes it imperative to have up to date computer equipment. Canon : the 1/200 sync speed which receives a real bashing. Oh, and Nikon's program mode in video seems a bit inferior to the Canon, but I don't do video so I didn't fully understand : it seems D800 allows excessive shutter speed (?) .

My conclusion from the full reading of these reviews : both cameras probably exceed the needs of most photographers. What really differenciate them is 1. Nikon's extra 2il of DR at low iso ; 2. Canon's silent mode, and ultra high iso (12800 and up).

In other words, people shooting events, shows, concerts etc, might be better off with the 5DIII, while landscape photographers should opt for the D800. Still the reviewer concludes that both cameras are impressively versatile, so there might not be very convincing reasons to switch if you have money already invested in one system.

Hope that helps.
 
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Longvision said:
Still the reviewer concludes that both cameras are impressively versatile, so there might not be very convincing reasons to switch if you have money already invested in one system.

Sounds like a sensible conclusion. Try telling people that though...
 
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Canon should have priced the 5D3 the same as the D800. That would've helped. By pricing it $500 higher, it creates an automatic impression that it is 'supposed' to be a better camera. If they are equally as good (which I'd like to believe), they should be closer price-wise.
 
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I was going to buy a Mark3 untill I saw 100% crops and how soft the images are, yes I have seen a few that have been somewhat sharp, but I cant take the risk, I need the camera in my hands and my own memory card to come home with and look at the images, I am a Canon user with a 5D mark2 and is happy apart from the autofocas, I have seen how stupid sharp that D800 is and it does make me sad that my own brand who I really do love is making me worried, I even checked the 1DX samples, and wasnt so sure how many where tact sharp at 100% I am talking studio set up shots,

anyway, lets see
 
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For my shooting needs, the 5D3 is a more versatile machine, but even if I was a landscape or fashion photographer where the D800's DR and resolution advantage would be more useful, the gap isn't nearly large enough to warrant switching systems. At best, I'd concede that this round goes to Nikon, and hope Canon can close the gap with successive models. At worst, I'd buy a D800 and one or two lenses to supplement my Canon gear.

Now, if Canon never catches up and Nikon destroys Canon well into the future, then I'd consider switching systems at that point. Despite the internet hoopla, I don't think we're anywhere near that point yet.
 
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Check out these comparison videos of the 5D Mark III and D800. I like that these videos show the two cameras in real world shooting applications instead of the usual rant about this one is better than that one because of tech specs or scientific hardware analysis. I think such comparisons don't hold much water over how they actually perform head-to-head in the same conditions. I am a 5D Mark III owner and these videos fall very close to what I have experienced with my copy. Note that the host WAS a Canon shooter and is NOW a Nikon shooter, but yet he seems to give credit where it is due towards each camera. There is a 3rd and final video that is not yet published covering the video performance of both cameras. So to all those who say that the D800 is the "BEST"; the 5D MARK III can definitely hold it's own in comparison and also clearly has areas where it outshines the D800.

In the first video, what I gather is that the D800 with 36mp captures more detail (DUH...) and is more suited towards studio photography with controlled lighting.
Canon 5D MK III vs Nikon D800 with Nathan Elson

Interestingly, the dynamic range and color reproduction of the 5D Mark III is shown to be better than the D800 in the second video. So much for the scientific DxO analysis of the D800 sensor, eh?
Canon 5D Mark III vs. Nikon D800 Part 2 with Mike Drew

Oops, I didn't realize that these videos were already posted on this thread. LOL oh well
 
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Having the 5d MK III now and also having tested the D800 for a short time there are some very clear advantages the 5d MK III has for me:

First the C1 - C3 complete setting recall: If you use these you can easily adapt to many situations where on the D800 switching settings takes ages. This is very important if only carry one camera body with you.

Second the lower MP count has a hugh advantage when you need to process images on the go. Did anyone ever take a D800 to travel and take about 500 to 1000 pics a day? With a current high end notebook/mac the file size of the 5d MkIII is still easy to handle. With a D800 this is really no longer the case.

Third the interchangeability of batteries and a lot of equipment with the 7D and 5D MkII if you own both. The system is just lighter and easier to travel with. This also makes a difference when traveling a lot.

Fourth the very high quality of Canon Jpegs that nearly need no post - all the Nikon shots I have seen so far where real advantages in IQ are noticeable needed a lot of post work from the raw. So here the canon wins again if you just don't have the time resources to really work with the large amount of data the d800generates in every single picture ...

Fifth the Ergonometric of the Canon body, this may only be me, but I feel much more comfortable with the 5d than with the D800 in this respect ...

So all in all I would say the following: The 5d MKIII is the much better camera for serious amateurs, ppl who do travel a lot (including most ppl doing landscape) and ppl who are not only shooting one of the dedicated fields of the D800 (fashion, studio and high res landscape).
The D800 wins where the highest level of detail is needed and where ppl commonly need to print extremely large (over 36' x 24'). However there are programs like Genuine Fractals, which have long been used to scale up resolution so this advantage can more or less be nullified when real high res is needed (very large 300 dpi prints as even the d800 needs to be pumped up here)

This is just my very subjective impression, so don't grill me for it ... ;-)
 
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