5D Mk III vs D800/E, is the 5D3 better at anything?
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Chuck Alaimo said:
Amateurs by definition have no return on investments, or at least not something you can evaluate in $$$
I would/will buy the 5D3 for 2500$/2300€ body only. But honestly, it also depends on the hypothetical 70D and 7D2, on the new 24-70 etc. I need a crop and a FF, and I can't afford to shoot both Canon and Nikon. When everything will be on the table (after Photokina, I hope), I'll choose the one which provides me the best [(FF + Crop + Lenses) / (Price)] combination.
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briansquibb said:Chuck Alaimo said:
Why limit us to a camera under $2000?
You seem to think only of the camera as a money making tool :
Notice I said value/return on investment ---ROI is important to those of us trying to make a living shooting. Value though, thats totally subjective - the value could be in landing a $5000 wedding (which would also be good ROI), but it could also be a magical image you print and hang on your wall and that's that.
I see a camera as a tool, yes, and that tool is to capture amazing images. And to that end, it IS a relationship between the user and the tool, the tool has tons of potential if and only if the user maximizes it. When I see the complaints about price, yeah, I do have to wonder if many of those people aren't using their tools to their potential. I use and love my 7D, and after 2 years on it the part of me that says I need to upgrade ends up questioning that due to how often it surprises me. It has given me both ROI and value - see the attached image. Shot earlier this week - and its funny because because to me what makes this image special isn't about the camera bod I used (i only have a 7d, lol, so that choice was pretty easy!), but in the filters I put on the lens. Again, realizing potential. Wish I had more ND filters, lol, on that shot I used a .06 ND, and cheated and used a circ polarizer as a second ND to slow the exposure down. shot at ISO 100, f22, 13 seconds. Without the filters the slowest I could have gone was just under a second, not enough to get that surreal fluffy look on the water. A d800 alone wouldn't do that. A mk3 wouldn't either, neither would a 1dx, d4, or a MF body. a lens that could go up to f40 may be able to do it, but the point still remains - getting amazing shots isn't just about the body, its about decisions made by the user, and the stuff that goes on the body (tripod gets included here too, cause I don't see anyone doing 13 second hand held and steady...). I could have shot that hand held, at f8, at 1/100th, but would the water look so fluffy and lovely?...It would be jagged and harsh. Which may be to your liking....which brings us back to the point of value ---- value is subjective, value is hard to quantify ---thats what I meant by if you can't see the value then maybe you don't need it....there are options on options on options to be had....
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Chuck Alaimo said:briansquibb said:Chuck Alaimo said:
Why limit us to a camera under $2000?
You seem to think only of the camera as a money making tool :
Notice I said value/return on investment ---ROI is important to those of us trying to make a living shooting.
How does that apply to amateurs?
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briansquibb said:Chuck Alaimo said:briansquibb said:Chuck Alaimo said:
Why limit us to a camera under $2000?
You seem to think only of the camera as a money making tool :
Notice I said value/return on investment ---ROI is important to those of us trying to make a living shooting.
How does that apply to amateurs?
LOL, maybe if you finish the paragraph in the quote it would be more clear -
Notice I said value/return on investment ---ROI is important to those of us trying to make a living shooting. Value though, thats totally subjective - the value could be in landing a $5000 wedding (which would also be good ROI), but it could also be a magical image you print and hang on your wall and that's that. If getting that great image you want is of value, spend what you wish to get man. Is the $500 difference between the d800 and mk3 gonna affect that? Well if your answer is yes, then don't buy an mkiii. If the value is there, then go for it, whether it be selling a print, or capturing that shot of your child taking its first steps....
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Chuck Alaimo said:briansquibb said:Chuck Alaimo said:briansquibb said:Chuck Alaimo said:
Why limit us to a camera under $2000?
You seem to think only of the camera as a money making tool :
Notice I said value/return on investment ---ROI is important to those of us trying to make a living shooting.
How does that apply to amateurs?
LOL, maybe if you finish the paragraph in the quote it would be more clear -
Notice I said value/return on investment ---ROI is important to those of us trying to make a living shooting. Value though, thats totally subjective - the value could be in landing a $5000 wedding (which would also be good ROI), but it could also be a magical image you print and hang on your wall and that's that. If getting that great image you want is of value, spend what you wish to get man. Is the $500 difference between the d800 and mk3 gonna affect that? Well if your answer is yes, then don't buy an mkiii. If the value is there, then go for it, whether it be selling a print, or capturing that shot of your child taking its first steps....
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Canon changed their market when making the 5D Mark III. The 5D Mark II was a portrait, landscape camera that was also used for weddings but had a terrible AF especially in low light situations eg. weddings.
The 5D Mark III is more of an all-round camera specializing in events, weddings, portraits, sports etc. I think the direct comparison of the D800/E should/will be made with the upcoming Canon 5D X/3D (35+ mp camera)
The 5D Mark III is more of an all-round camera specializing in events, weddings, portraits, sports etc. I think the direct comparison of the D800/E should/will be made with the upcoming Canon 5D X/3D (35+ mp camera)
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http://nikonrumors.com/2012/06/18/rumor-second-nikon-d800-firmware-update-coming-out-soon.aspx/#more-40884
http://testcams.com/blog/2012/06/20/nikon-d800-left-autofocus-point-issue/
Anybody else happy with how their Canon is focusing??
Nikon D800 left autofocus points defect
This apparently is quite an issue. Light leak issue macro magnified. It doesn't just affect a certain smaller genre style photographer.
Just read the comments in these threads.. by Nikon shooters/owners... gotta empathize with them..
http://testcams.com/blog/2012/06/20/nikon-d800-left-autofocus-point-issue/
Anybody else happy with how their Canon is focusing??
Nikon D800 left autofocus points defect
This apparently is quite an issue. Light leak issue macro magnified. It doesn't just affect a certain smaller genre style photographer.
Just read the comments in these threads.. by Nikon shooters/owners... gotta empathize with them..
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Tammy said:
it is interesting because I'm having no such problems, and neither seem most nikon guys in forums. One wonders how much of an issue it really is since as usual the internet magnifies everything and given the sheer volume of D800 owners, I'm not seeing a big reaction even in nikon boards. If there is a batch out there with alignment issues, it will no doubt be recalled by serial and repaired, as canon has done for their goofs in the past.
Leason: if you're an early adopter, you're going to get burned sooner or later.
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Is there anyway of getting real numbers of the bodies been sold? I would love to see how many 5DII have been sold so far apart from the usual suspects, the D800 and 5DIII
The D800 and 5DIII numbers all seem to be plucked out of the air, there is nothing better than real facts.
Amazon numbers are fine for comparing Amazon sales but I suspect these bodies main selling place is elsewhere such as the pro/specialist outlets
The D800 and 5DIII numbers all seem to be plucked out of the air, there is nothing better than real facts.
Amazon numbers are fine for comparing Amazon sales but I suspect these bodies main selling place is elsewhere such as the pro/specialist outlets
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briansquibb said:
Why do you think so? Esp. with a camera body, there's every reason to get it as cheap as possible, and that might be Amazon. For lenses, it's different because you may want to try the particular sample before buying it or return it without any hassle if it's a bad copy.
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Has anybody mentioned that the 5D3 takes canon lenses? A benefit that cannot be over-stated for people who already have Canon lenses.
Simple:
If you need 36MP today then get a nikon D800
If you don't and don't want to get a 5D3 then either keep using the 5D2 that was already doing a job for you or get a 1DX or 1D4.
Canon will steal the march on Nikon soon enough, and you'll want to swap back.
Does anybody think that in all seriousness NOT having a D800 is going to cost them work, money or enjoyment?
By the time you take account of ability, talent, planning, technique, post-processing skills, lens quality etc the camera really is the 1% difference.
I really do not understand it. How many of you make money selling lab shots of focus charts at ISO 102'800?
Get. A. Grip!.
Simple:
If you need 36MP today then get a nikon D800
If you don't and don't want to get a 5D3 then either keep using the 5D2 that was already doing a job for you or get a 1DX or 1D4.
Canon will steal the march on Nikon soon enough, and you'll want to swap back.
Does anybody think that in all seriousness NOT having a D800 is going to cost them work, money or enjoyment?
By the time you take account of ability, talent, planning, technique, post-processing skills, lens quality etc the camera really is the 1% difference.
I really do not understand it. How many of you make money selling lab shots of focus charts at ISO 102'800?
Get. A. Grip!.
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paul13walnut5 said:
Great question! I chose the 5D3 for various reasons, but I think I can IMAGINE two people who might answer "yes."
1. The "pro" who either doesn't want to, or cannot, properly frame shots while capturing a decisive moment. With the D800 he'll be able to crop the shot in post to make it look like it was properly shot with a 5D3. If this person "only" had 22MP he would not sell his work because he'd have to crop it to 6MP or something.
2. Have you shot with or seen the files from a medium format camera? I got to check out the Phase One earlier in the year and just looking at those files makes a person smile. The single D800 file I've played with sort of had that feeling too it. So a pixel peeper, camera trekkie kind of guy may actually enjoy their D800 much more than other (in class) cameras simply because of the insane amount of detail that is captured. I'm not convinced that translates to any meaningful benefit in print however.
The thread asks if the 5D3 is better at anything over the D800. My answer? When I had the chance to play with both of them I didn't even touch the D800. The 5D3 sells itself because of expectation and reputation. The only thing that the D800 seems to best the 5D3 at is a failed (IMO) marketing move of having 36MP which are at least 18 more than we really "need" and I put that in quotes because I'm not convinced we need that many even.
The 5D3 is better at fitting into my workflow, both by giving me the tools I need and not getting in the way with "features" I don't.
If you're a Nikon guy with lots of glass get the D800, if you're Canon get the 5D3 just like every credible review has said neither camera is strong enough to make a person who is at all invested in the product line switch. They are both truly great cameras. The 5D3 is just better.
It's better because it fits me.
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Some guys on the Australian forums are having trouble with the AF on their D800's too.
I know of one that has been back to Nikon to get fixed, and it came back exactly the same.
His test shots are terrible, and he is a very accomplished photographer and is getting really pissed off.
I think that for my types of photography, which is a lot of different types, if I didn't have any lenses, I'd still go for the 5D3 over the D800.
The D800 is good for one or two genres of photography, but the 5D3 is good at ALL of them.
I'm very happy with mine.
I've pushed it in all sorts of ways and it always comes up trumps.
It focuses well when I can't even see the object I'm photographing through the viewfinder because it's so dark!
I know of one that has been back to Nikon to get fixed, and it came back exactly the same.
His test shots are terrible, and he is a very accomplished photographer and is getting really pissed off.
I think that for my types of photography, which is a lot of different types, if I didn't have any lenses, I'd still go for the 5D3 over the D800.
The D800 is good for one or two genres of photography, but the 5D3 is good at ALL of them.
I'm very happy with mine.
I've pushed it in all sorts of ways and it always comes up trumps.
It focuses well when I can't even see the object I'm photographing through the viewfinder because it's so dark!
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Thanks - actually, the lowest price seems to be rather ~3100€, and if only one supplier is listing it that low it sounds a bit dodgy. I once fell for the lowest price, but these suppliers simply might not have the item in stock but wait for a near price drop of the original manufacturer (Canon in this case). This in combination with horrendous fees for pay after delivery will engineer people into paying up front and having to wait for ages. Many will cancel the contract, but some may not, so that's a business model too for catching customers.kraats said:
But maybe it's just a terrific offer and I'm paranoid. On the other hand, being paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you
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Marsu42 said:
Check this...Under $3000!
http://www.eglobaldigitalcameras.com.au/canon-eos-5d-mark-iii-body-only-digital-slr-camera.html
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