It doesn't even need that if everything is made by Canon. They'd just need firmware updates for the RF lenses to allow the RF lenses to operate at slower speeds using the fewer connection points the EF-M system has.
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Are Two EOS M cameras coming in 2020? [CR1]
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It doesn't even need that if everything is made by Canon. They'd just need firmware updates for the RF lenses to allow the RF lenses to operate at slower speeds using the fewer connection points the EF-M system has.
"More detailed 4K video" is where the R5 and R6 begin to get into heating issues. One would assume a smaller body would be even more susceptible to such heating issues.
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But, but, but... but just because it's a rumor published by someone not affiliated with Canon in any official capacity doesn't mean Canon is not totally touting this camera as having "all of the bells and whistles!"
Canon must deliver on such promises or they are doomed, I tell you, D - O - O - M - E - D, DOOMED!!!!
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The vast majority of folks here refuse to acknowledge that the EOS M series has been so successful precisely because it is aimed at a market that does not include them as the target buyer.
They're apparently incapable of conceiving that compact, lightweight, and affordable is what has attracted buyers to the EOS M system in droves. Perhaps this is because compact, lightweight, and affordable are not the primary feature they care about in a camera and lens system? And that they can not conceive that they are in the minority of the world's population in this respect?
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In the eight years plus that the EOS M system has existed, every single EF-M lens they've released is 61mm in diameter, +/- 0.2mm or so.
EVERY.SINGLE.LENS.
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It's very popular precisely because it appeals to buyers looking for compact, light, and affordable cameras and lenses. That is something that apparently most of the folks here find incomprehensible.
Just because Canon may introduce larger, more advanced APS-C bodies with more weather sealing into the RF system does not mean Canon must stop making the compact, lightweight, and more affordable EOS M bodies and EF-M lenses as some folks here seem to believe!
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That may well be the case, but that does not mean that vloggers in North America and Western Europe are buying those camera in numbers that are anything remotely more than a drop in the bucket when compared to the numbers of units bought by the hordes of more typical EOS M owners.
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For decades Canon APS-C shooters had been begging Canon for a cheap, fast 35mm "equivalent" instead of 80mm "equivalent" to the EF 50mm f/1.8. In other words, they wanted a cheap, fast EF-S 22mm lens, or even a 50mm "equivalent" 35/1.8 DX like Nikon offered.
So once the shorter registration distance of the EF-M mount made that possible without requiring a retrofocus design Canon gave them what they asked for in the EF-M 22mm f/2.
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Not a smoking gun, but the 90D has a downsampling 4k mode, while the M6II line skips and upsamples. So same sensor, same digic and the bigger camera gets better quality video. That and the lack of EFCS in the M6II makes me think there's more in that camera that was disabled in software to make it perform to Canon reliability standards.
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But why wouldn't Canon continue to steer potential buyers of such cameras and lenses to the RF system, where such lense certainly already exist now and will exist in even greater numbers in the near future?
Such buyers would almost certainly be tempted by many other things offered in the RF system that aren't included in the EF-M system. On the other hand, if such a buyer goes into the EF-M system, there's not much else up the scale to potentially sell to them.
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For semi-serious amateur photography I have an EOS RP with three native lenses and adapters for Older EF lenses. However, when I go on a trip, perhaps when I USED to go on a trip before the Apocalypse, my single bag has M5, 4 or 5 lenses, spare batteries, charger, filters, gorilla pod, mini speedlight etc. And as a pensioner, I don't need a packhorse to lug the gear. THAT is the major benefit of the M mount camera system for me. I gave my M50 with the kit lens and 55-200 to my 13 year old granddaughter and she now is a hooked photographer/videographer. Canon has a winning system in the M Mount and i assume they will be with us for a long time.
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You can always use an R5 in APS-C mode. Or maybe Canon will add an APS-H mode in some future firmware upgrade. That's pretty close to Super-35 video size.
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That doesn't make it a rule, does it? It's a chicken/egg thing here. All the lenses are small because there are no larger EF-M bodies. Adding a larger EF-M body would make it more sensible to have larger lenses.
There's no physical limit on the size of an EF-M lens, it's just marketing.
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Possibly - but the # of transistors certainly contributes to the heating - which is probably part of why the overheating problem on the R5 > R6 > A7s III. (We obviously know these sensors are the same physical size but only know MP counts, not transistor counts, so I'm guessing).
The additional thing is that an APS-C sensor is physically only about 38% the size of a FF sensor (332 mm2 vs 864 mm2), so the smaller size might also contribute to a difference in heating, all other things being equal (which we don't know if they are).
Certainly if it's only 4K video, one thing sony did to get "more detailed video" was increase the size of the photosensors, keeping the sensor at only ~ 12MP. So you have to wonder what you can do with the sensor in the M6II?
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Actually, it is quite an important factor that Canon is banking on. Coherence is a very big principle in marketing. When buyers look at the M series they see a small lightweight system that is uniformly designed. That's important to selling to a very large market. Add in some very big lenses to the M line up and what do you get? M series is generally small but if I want to do everything, I might have to get some big lenses. Very different sales message.
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They going to make a 600 f4 M? I don't think so. The glass I use on my 7d mk II would not work on m. And, no, throwing in some adapter is not a solution! There are many, many problems introduced by an adapter. Poor weather resistance (ever used big glass in the surf, full of salty sand and water?), reduced function (even a marginal difference means missed shots in bird photography), and mount damage (this adds one more flex point and more leverage against a very small mount!) all pose huge problems. This is not remotely a 7d replacement! I would like a direct 7d replacement indeed, love a APS C or APS H pro body. No, crop mode in a fullframe is not the same. I want the camera to be optomized as a crop camera, not some sort of kludged afrerthought!
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I'm not sure how important "coherence" is. For better or worse, look at Fuji. They typically have lenses in the same focal length or range from slow and cheap(er) to fast and expensive. The Fuji X-t4, X-t30 and X-T200 all have different price points and capabilities but use the same lens mount. The sales message that Canon is sending now is that if you want to do "everything" with your canon M5 or M6-2, you need to use EF lenses or buy into the R system. I don't think Canon would lose much if they enlarged their 60mm diameter limit to 72mm. That's about the diameter of the Sigma 16f/1.4.
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