Canon Announces the EOS 5D Mark IV DSLR

hne said:
bitm2007 said:
The price here in germany is ridiculous!!!

Same in the UK, £3599 ($4750) that's £600 ($792) more than a 5DS. I wasn't expecting it to be that high even after Brexit.

That price difference could totally justify the cost of a return trip to Portland, Oregon. Just checked: return flight plus a nice hotel thu-sun is about $950 the weekend after availability which would mean $300 to spare on food and drinks (since Oregon has no sales tax). Though... it probably won't be available over the counter just yet for another few weeks.

$3499
£3599 ($4750)

I trip to the states is one of the options i'm considering, i've also noticed that B&H ship to the UK for £2693.57, I assume that VAT (20%) and Import Duty @ 2.5% would be applicable, total price £3313. The trip to the states does sound tempting however.
 
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miz said:
4K crop
LOOOOOOL

Why should I buy this camera rather than twice cheaper D750? Can anyone explain?

At this point the D750 is wholly inferior.
Maybe that's not inferior by as wide a margin as the price difference, but these are premium products, and this is the launch price of the 5D4, E-bay will knock nearly a grand off that total.

But really this is comparing different classes of products, just wait for the 6DMkII.
 
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bitm2007 said:
hne said:
bitm2007 said:
The price here in germany is ridiculous!!!

Same in the UK, £3599 ($4750) that's £600 ($792) more than a 5DS. I wasn't expecting it to be that high even after Brexit.

That price difference could totally justify the cost of a return trip to Portland, Oregon. Just checked: return flight plus a nice hotel thu-sun is about $950 the weekend after availability which would mean $300 to spare on food and drinks (since Oregon has no sales tax). Though... it probably won't be available over the counter just yet for another few weeks.

$3499
£3599 ($4750)

I trip to the states is one of the options i'm considering, i've also noticed that B&H ship to the UK for £2693.57, I assume that VAT (20%) and Import Duty @ 2.5% would be applicable, total price £3313. The trip to the states does sound tempting however.

If my sleepy eyed conversion is right, it's actually cheaper in Canada.

Jack
 
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wockawocka said:
I really want to know what the shot buffer is....it's the only thing missing.

No user manual yet?

Google Translate of: http://cweb.canon.jp/eos/lineup/5dmk4/spec.html

"RAW: about 17 sheets (about 21 pieces)"

I'm not sure what the sheets/pieces difference is, but for the 5D III it says "RAW: about 13 sheets (about 18 sheets)", and I think that camera was meant to be able to shoot 18 shots before the buffer ran out.
 
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“I have owned every camera in the 5D line, so the new EOS 5D Mark IV feels like an old friend in my hands, only better” ....and a lot more expensieve. Better not take that friend to bar because you can't pay the drinks at the end of the evening.
 
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E said:
The specs are out, now hope is dead, and all these years I waited for nothing.
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Why not 120fps 1080p? Canon left this out on purpose.
Well, everything they left out they probably left out on purpose. It's not like some engineer sitting at Canon is reading the release right now and thinking "sh!t, we forgot to add 120fps, hold the presses!".

It's about market segmentation. Canon decided "pro video" is more valuable than stills photography and decided to milk it by pushing people to the 1DX2 oder whatever 1DC there might be. You can hate the desicion, but you can't demand Canon put in all kinds of video features that would cannibalize their own proper video line. Budget for Professional Videographers is different than for stills, I also doubt many people using these cams professionally would fret much over 1K here or there, keeping in mind how much revenue you can genereate from these cameras.
After the DSLR Video revolution people expect that they get everything that makes up a "pro capable" camera in those very affordable models. I would love that, but it's not how the world works.

I also don't mind the 1.64 Crop in 4K, it should even be possible to throw on an Sigma 18-35/1.8 for APS-C since it doesnt protrude into the body. Image circle should be fine and it's wide-angle enough. Would I love for it to have a mode available without crop? Sure. But that would eat battery like crazy and require more heat dissipation.
Canon took the very easy way out by just using native pixels and using a low compression codec. I bet otherwise we wouldn't have seen 4K in the current generation at all.

Yes, Focus peaking and Zebras would be nice, but I'm counting on the Magic Lantern guys to have their way into this cam after about a year from now. There's going to be lots of interest and demand fpr this cam.

Would I prefer more features and even better hardware at a lower price? you bet. But this camera will be bought in droves by people depending on their camera daily or at least multiple times a week. Maybe some videographers have to look elsewhere or wait a year for Magic Lantern, as you had to do on the 5D3 anyways.
 
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nicksotgiu said:
I really don't want to sound bitter, but the only thing I'm excited for right now is that 16-35mm f2.8 :( :'(

:) My thoughts as well. Thought about buying the Mark IV on release but now I wait. Price is way to high and my Mark III does a good job. I hoped for more resolution (that the new body delivers), und big jump in video (videospecs on the Mark iV is a big let down so far, other camp offers more in that area).
 
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davidj said:
wockawocka said:
I really want to know what the shot buffer is....it's the only thing missing.

No user manual yet?

Google Translate of: http://cweb.canon.jp/eos/lineup/5dmk4/spec.html

"RAW: about 17 sheets (about 21 pieces)"

I'm not sure what the sheets/pieces difference is, but for the 5D III it says "RAW: about 13 sheets (about 18 sheets)", and I think that camera was meant to be able to shoot 18 shots before the buffer ran out.

Wonder how may DP-RAW's, I guessed 6 some time back. To SD or CF?
 
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CF slot and UHS-I limited SD card slot HAS to be because they don't want Magic Lantern hacking the camera and producing amazing 4K raw that pulls people from their Cine line. There's no other reason. UHS-I transfer limit is like 45MB/s, as opposed to the latest UHS-II SD Cards that have extended write speeds of 250MB/s. You can also use UHS-I cards in a UHS-II device. Canon have limited the card speeds of this camera to 2011.

I think I get why they did it, but it is annoying and is responsible for the small buffer in photo mode.
 
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wockawocka said:
21 shots full raw, so the reality will be more like 26 as the buffer unloads.

Which isn't bad.

I got shot to all hell expecting Cfast.....

Anyhoo, weddings don't truly need 7fps (although it's nice to have), so I guess you could easily extend the continuous shooting by limiting the FPS to 5 shots and possibly go up to 30+ frames continuous.
 
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KiagiJ said:
wockawocka said:
I really want to know what the shot buffer is....it's the only thing missing.

No user manual yet?

Jared Polin talks details on how bad it is here... https://youtu.be/j0ou39qKoWM

Ok one thing answered:
no 4K out over HDMI.....WTF.....

Adding to that the old card tech (UHS I ????? )....
Then the buffer size? Really?
I was running into problems the other day when shooting on both cards on my Mark 3. So this will be the same on the Mark 4???
Oh man.....I am really on the edge of trying out a Sony now....
 
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Just been quoted €4299, by Conns Cameras in Ireland which I'm sorry but this feels like a complete CON. I was going to pre order but this just put a pause on that. I had the €4000 saved but I feel this is just "extracting the urine" compared to U.S. price of $3499 plus sales tax.
 
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M_S said:
KiagiJ said:
wockawocka said:
I really want to know what the shot buffer is....it's the only thing missing.

No user manual yet?

Jared Polin talks details on how bad it is here... https://youtu.be/j0ou39qKoWM

Ok one thing answered:
no 4K out over HDMI.....WTF.....

Adding to that the old card tech (UHS I ????? )....
Then the buffer size? Really?
I was running into problems the other day when shooting on both cards on my Mark 3. So this will be the same on the Mark 4???
Oh man.....I am really on the edge of trying out a Sony now....

If it's anything like the 5DSr no it won't be the same as the 5D3 - The SD slot was a lot slower on the 3, the Sr though is about the same write speed for both cards.
 
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Drum said:
Just been quoted €4299, by Conns Cameras in Ireland which I'm sorry but this feels like a complete CON. I was going to pre order but this just put a pause on that. I had the €4000 saved but I feel this is just "extracting the urine" compared to U.S. price of $3499 plus sales tax.

$3499 + 9% sales tax = 3377 Euros
E4299 - 11% sales tax difference = 3826 Euros

So a 450 Euro difference which mirrors the £300 extra markup in the UK too.

I guess they can justify it by saying the USA is a bigger market vs several smaller countries each with their own specific amount of administation costs to deal with.
 
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