Canon EOS 6D Mark II Has Begun Shipping

[BillB]

Folks at Canon esp. public relation dept needs to address some of the concerns to ease the anxiety to those who have waited and want to upgrade 6DMKii. This is the right thing to do. ... Put the concerns to rest > what can be fixed or upgraded and what cannot be done because of the specifications(limits).

I have a theory, well to be honest it's more of a wish than a theory.

Imagine if say during mid 2018 Canon brought out a FF Mirrorless camera with a curved sensor and a bunch of prime lenses that were compatible with this new camera. IF that were to happen then bringing out the 6D Mark ii with improved autofocus but a not much improved sensor MIGHT make sense because you would have the following line up:

7D Mark ii (or even Mark iii) for top of the range APS-C with top of the range autofocus capabilities.
6D Mark ii for entry level FF with good autofocus and OK image quality.
Curved Sensor FF Mirrorless for entry level FF with OK autofocus and excellent image quality (and maybe 4k.)
5D Mark iv for professional level does everything FF
5DS R Mark i (or even Mark ii) for professional level FF with top of the range image quality.

Like I say it's just a theory but I can't imagine that Canon didn't notice the 6D Mark ii sensor wasn't a big step forward so it does make you think (hope) there is a bigger strategy.

I have another theory for you. Canon does not believe anything needs to be fixed. Their market research showed that the main features the users wanted to improve on the 6D II were AF and a tilt screen. Their market research showed them that they needed to price the camera as low as possible - definitely under $2,000. Their market research told them that users were completely satisfied (and even more) with the 6D IQ. Their market research showed them that photographers that don't pixel peep had no issues with noise. Their market research showed them that a real photographer doesn't underexpose from 3 to 5 stops, so that type of information is irrelevant. In other words, there should be no anxiety from potential buyers as this camera meets their needs as best as possible at it's price point.

Good theory and no doubt the most accurate theory.

As a potential buyer of this camera I just wish they had paid a little bit more to the market research company so that the research company could have also asked the question "If our new entry level FF camera has Dynamic Range that is less than one of our cheaper APS-C cameras would you still be interested in buying our new camera."

Anyway the good thing to come from all this is that it has made me realise how good my 7D Mark ii is (with truly excellent autofocus capabilities & apparently the same DR as its new FF cousin) and instead of worrying about moving to FF I should focus on getting the correct lenses that satisfy my APS-C requirements.

Well, we don't know what Canon market research did or didn't ask potential buyers of a 6DII. My guess is they asked enough to satisfy themselves that there wasn't enough demand for additional low ISO shadow lifting capabilities for it to make sense to use a sensor with ADC on board. Canon doesn't seem all that concerned about what numbers DPR comes up with about so-called "DR" or how the internet reacts.

I was very surprised that Canon apparently chose to use an "old style" sensor without ADC on board in the 6DII, since they seemed to be using the new sensor in everything, but such is life. Like you say, canon's decision did make it easier to live with what I have. I have also learned some very useful information about correct exposure and using Lightroom well.

 

[Talys]

I have another theory.

Canon researches and builds cameras based on a ranking of features and price points that it feels users want and has been indisputably successful in this endeavor.

A segment of the interwebz explodes with nerd rage that people would dare buy cameras based on features and price points that they care about, rather than more advanced technology in all sorts of areas that they care less about. They are enraged that all the sheep out there just keep buying cameras that are pleasing to use and provably reliable rather than taking off the blinders and just reading the technical charts that prove that a Canon sensors are totally unusable.

They are mortally offended by how a company could possibly be successful launch a product based on price, selected mix of features, and target market, because the way the world should work, in their mind, is that each new premium product should leapfrog every preceding product, and be better in every way; companies should stop trying to maximize their profits, and instead, they should simplify their offerings, and focus on always giving customers the most that is possible the lowest cost possible.

 

[IglooEater]

That's about says it Talys

 

[brad-man]

I have another theory.

Canon researches and builds cameras based on a ranking of features and price points that it feels users want and has been indisputably successful in this endeavor.

A segment of the interwebz explodes with nerd rage that people would dare buy cameras based on features and price points that they care about, rather than more advanced technology in all sorts of areas that they care less about. They are enraged that all the sheep out there just keep buying cameras that are pleasing to use and provably reliable rather than taking off the blinders and just reading the technical charts that prove that a Canon sensors are totally unusable.

They are mortally offended by how a company could possibly be successful launch a product based on price, selected mix of features, and target market, because the way the world should work, in their mind, is that each new premium product should leapfrog every preceding product, and be better in every way; companies should stop trying to maximize their profits, and instead, they should simplify their offerings, and focus on always giving customers the most that is possible the lowest cost possible.

Actually you just restated DAK723's theory from the previous page.

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

Are people actually excited about this camera?

Only photographers.

 

[Mario]

I picked up my 6DII yesterday and had a brief test today. Nothing scientific but from what I see, the high ISO is significantly better than the 5DIII I had, and comparable to my 1DXII. I would be very surprised if that's an old style sensor in there.

Mario

Great tit, 6DII, 600II + 1.4x @ 840 mm, 1/320, f/8, ISO 2500, 0 EV, subject @ ca 6 m, no noise reduction (although there is some kind of default luminance colour (sorry, made a mistake, it has to be colour, not luminance) noise reduction)

 

[LonelyBoy]

I picked up my 6DII yesterday and had a brief test today. Nothing scientific but from what I see, the high ISO is significantly better than the 5DIII I had, and comparable to my 1DXII. I would be very surprised if that's an old style sensor in there.

Mario

Great tit, 6DII, 600II + 1.4x @ 840 mm, 1/320, f/8, ISO 2500, 0 EV, subject @ ca 6 m, no noise reduction (although there is some kind of default luminance noise reduction)

Obviously unacceptable results.

 

[zim]

Hey Mario, I think you're missing the point posting a properly exposed lovely image, you should be posting a graph this isn't a photography forum

 

[Cthulhu]

I picked up my 6DII yesterday and had a brief test today. Nothing scientific but from what I see, the high ISO is significantly better than the 5DIII I had, and comparable to my 1DXII. I would be very surprised if that's an old style sensor in there.

Mario

Great tit, 6DII, 600II + 1.4x @ 840 mm, 1/320, f/8, ISO 2500, 0 EV, subject @ ca 6 m, no noise reduction (although there is some kind of default luminance colour (sorry, made a mistake, it has to be colour, not luminance) noise reduction)

I don't think you know how to use the internet. You need to underexpose that image by about 2 stops and then raise the shadows until you find noise, when that happens please lower NR all the way and raise the exposure a bit more. Bonus if the shot is poorly framed.

 

[Don Haines]

I picked up my 6DII yesterday and had a brief test today. Nothing scientific but from what I see, the high ISO is significantly better than the 5DIII I had, and comparable to my 1DXII. I would be very surprised if that's an old style sensor in there.

Mario

Great tit, 6DII, 600II + 1.4x @ 840 mm, 1/320, f/8, ISO 2500, 0 EV, subject @ ca 6 m, no noise reduction (although there is some kind of default luminance colour (sorry, made a mistake, it has to be colour, not luminance) noise reduction)

Nice to see an example from the real world

 

[Pax2You]

Nice work Mario!

 

[dak723]

Lovely photo Mario! The beautiful background colors make this one an especially excellent photo!

Alas, most of the forum members won't be looking at the bird, the beautiful colors, the fine composition, but will be zooming in and trying to determine how much noise is in that background. Maybe someday they will understand how irrelevant noise is to whether a photo is successful or not.

 

[scyrene]

I shot some at 6400 during the afternoon hours and pulled out the shadows in some trees. maybe 1 stop and theres was plenty of noise. Not impressed.

You're raising shadows at ISO 6400 and are surprised there's noise? ???

 

[testthewest]

Hey Mario, I think you're missing the point posting a properly exposed lovely image, you should be posting a graph this isn't a photography forum

This! If it was a photography forum or even site, it wouldn't just report the newest gear and discuss it.
Also getting a good pictures is possible with almost everything. If that would be mattering, we could be shooting film.
So screw that bird and give us graphs that show us that you could have shot that bird at midnight at ISO 100 by simply raising the shadows!

 

[neuroanatomist]

I shot some at 6400 during the afternoon hours and pulled out the shadows in some trees. maybe 1 stop and theres was plenty of noise. Not impressed.

You're raising shadows at ISO 6400 and are surprised there's noise? ???

Prototypical wetware error.

 

[jmoya]

Hey Mario, I think you're missing the point posting a properly exposed lovely image, you should be posting a graph this isn't a photography forum

This! If it was a photography forum or even site, it wouldn't just report the newest gear and discuss it.
Also getting a good pictures is possible with almost everything. If that would be mattering, we could be shooting film.
So screw that bird and give us graphs that show us that you could have shot that bird at midnight at ISO 100 by simply raising the shadows!

I totally agree! I'm a midnight bird photographer and need to be able to pull those shadows. I guess this camera was only made for the people who like to shoot in the day. Where's the challenge in that?

 

[zim]

Hey Mario, I think you're missing the point posting a properly exposed lovely image, you should be posting a graph this isn't a photography forum

This! If it was a photography forum or even site, it wouldn't just report the newest gear and discuss it.
Also getting a good pictures is possible with almost everything. If that would be mattering, we could be shooting film.
So screw that bird and give us graphs that show us that you could have shot that bird at midnight at ISO 100 by simply raising the shadows!

I totally agree! I'm a midnight bird photographer and need to be able to pull those shadows. I guess this camera was only made for the people who like to shoot in the day. Where's the challenge in that?

Or people that work with light.

Midnight bird photography is pretty nich and a 6 d wouldn't be my choice but the mk2 seems to be better at high ISO and AF than the MK1 so would be a better choice in that situation.

 

[Khalai]

I shot some at 6400 during the afternoon hours and pulled out the shadows in some trees. maybe 1 stop and theres was plenty of noise. Not impressed.

You're raising shadows at ISO 6400 and are surprised there's noise? ???

LOL. There will be noise at ISO 6400 even in properly exposed photo with -1 EV in the post anyway

 

[lalilulelo]

I was testing auto-focus on the 85L at f/1.2, and the focus is more accurate using the 1-point AF on live view than spot AF on the viewfinder. Is this normal?

 

[Avenger 2.0]

How is the moiré in video with the new Canon 6D II compared to the original 6D? Is it as bad or better like the Canon 5D III?