Canon EOS 6D Mark II Has Begun Shipping

[Khalai]

Even if Trusted Reviews got the DR figure for the original 6D wrong, their measurement for the 6D MKII at iso 100 is 12.2 whereas DPR's chart shows it as 9.11. So has someone got it wrong?

If they measure it in different manner, those result are not directly comparable.

 

[LesC]

For those who now have their 6D MKII - is the GPS function the same as the original 6D ie when you turn the camera off does the GPS still drain the battery unless of course you remove it?

 

[wildwalker]

I was so excited to upgrade my 6D to the Mark ii until I saw the dynamic range tests. Canon included the other features I wanted to see but DR is a very important factor for me ...

My experience exactly.

The 6DII is spec'd very well for its intended buyers, IMO, and the price will only get better over time.
However, the dynamic range issue is the fly in the ointment for me.

But for those who aren't bothered by that, I'm sure that the 6DII will be terrific.

I know the feeling, but looking at some videos where people are using for real images, the camera seems to work really well, especially at high ISO. Those tests were about pushing three stops from blacks, do we do that all the time? They don't seem to be particularly real world tests.

The High ISO performance is very good though.

If you are that worried, do what I did, I purchased a 5DMk4 from overseas, it arrived in 4 days and only cost me £360 more than the 6DMk2, which I did have pre-ordered, but a deal like that for the 5 was too tempting. I got the 5 today and hardly have time to finis...

 

[jeffa4444]

+ local adjustments.. Is this no simple fot postprocessing but with skills everything goes

That banding wouldn't have happened with the 6D...
I'm afraid the Mark II is a downgrade for landscape or anyone doing heavy shadow lifting.

You are joking right? The 6D is a great camera but to state it would not have presented banding is nonsense its one of its weaknesses.

 

[jmoya]

So I guess there's no way around it. If I want to edit in lightroom with the 6d mark II I nee to buy the latest lightroom CC? My canon 5d III was doing just fine on lightroom 5 non CC version. There's the other hiccup. I was so upset yesterday getting the new camera in and not being to import files to see them for post.

 

[Takingshots]

Folks at Canon esp. public relation dept needs to address some of the concerns to ease the anxiety to those who have waited and want to upgrade 6DMKii. This is the right thing to do. ... Put the concerns to rest > what can be fixed or upgraded and what cannot be done because of the specifications(limits).

 

[jeffa4444]

Don, I'm the happy to wait type of guy but obviously lots of reviewers jumped the gun and dumped all over this camera. But why should I care, other than I think of myself as liking to represent fairness and honest dealings and don't like the stench of folk like Donald T!

I try to wait and be fair too. I find that the truth is usually in the middle and not at the extreme viewpoints. As to camera reviews, I work in a research lab..... results must be verifiable and repeatable, and the only way to characterize a commercial product is to go get one from the shelf, and not one cherry picked by the manufacturer. When I test something, the report contains a detailed report as to how the tests were performed and even lists model numbers and serial numbers of test equipment as well as the last calibration dates/data, this is very different from sites like DXO with their secret rating system.

Don I couldn't agree more. Even high end movie cameras from blue chip Japanese companies show variances from one camera to another in DR and other parameters. We also calibrate our devices and have independent verification on a regular prescribed basis and like you feel DXO methods are flawed. We test lenses on and off axis on the MTF, project lenses and measure how accurately the f or T stops are. Cameras & lenses are tested independently of each other and on the camera and all serial numbers are recorded. Finally we shoot subject matter and charts and can view these in a theatre if needed.
Our staff are trained at the manufacturers and we have the tooling to make changes or repairs in-house and have been doing so for over fifty years (yes back in the film days).
As manufacturers ourselves we cannot afford to be anything but as precise as we can be reputations depend on it.

Whilst Ive not had the time today to test the 6D MKII I will be and reserve judgement until then (for fun not for work).

 

[LesC]

Folks at Canon esp. public relation dept needs to address some of the concerns to ease the anxiety to those who have waited and want to upgrade 6DMKii. This is the right thing to do. ... Put the concerns to rest > what can be fixed or upgraded and what cannot be done because of the specifications(limits).

I'm sure they won't because a) that would be to admit there were shortcomings and b) I and expect Canon too don't see there's any need too.

Whenever a new camera comes out, there's always some people who will moan, it doesn't have this or that but for the people it's aimed at (and I include myself as one of those), it will be perfectly fine and an improvement over the original 6D. I mean, look at the shots earlier in this thread where a shot under exposed by 5 stops was recovered pretty well. I've never underexposed a shot intentionally or not by that much!

Whether the DR of the 6D MKII is the same as or slightly better/worse than the original in theory is not important to me; what happens in the real world is. And as for DPR's claim that it's worse than the 80D, I just don't see it - I have the 80D and the original 6D and the 6D blows the 80D away no trouble. So the new 6D would have to be a hell of a lot worse for the 80D to beat it.

 

[stevelee]

For those who now have their 6D MKII - is the GPS function the same as the original 6D ie when you turn the camera off does the GPS still drain the battery unless of course you remove it?

I haven't bought or ordered the 6D2 yet, but I have been reading the manual as well as online stuff. I seem to recall that if the camera times out and turns itself off, the GPS is still at work and draining battery. If you switch the camera off manually, the GPS turns off, too. I am only reasonably certain that I saw that somewhere, but it seems like it was a caution in the manual.

 

[bc29]

So I guess there's no way around it. If I want to edit in lightroom with the 6d mark II I nee to buy the latest lightroom CC? My canon 5d III was doing just fine on lightroom 5 non CC version. There's the other hiccup. I was so upset yesterday getting the new camera in and not being to import files to see them for post.

Adobe updated their website to indicate the 6D mk II is supported in their standalone Lightroom 6, if updated to version 6.12.

https://helpx.adobe.com/camera-raw/kb/camera-raw-plug-supported-cameras.html

The upgrade from any prior Lightroom version to Lightroom 6 should be USD $79.

 

[privatebydesign]

For those who now have their 6D MKII - is the GPS function the same as the original 6D ie when you turn the camera off does the GPS still drain the battery unless of course you remove it?

Page 143 of the manual. The GPS has the two modes the 1DX MKII has, you can set it to always keep GPS connected or have it power down when you turn the power switch off.

I use Mode 2.

 

[LesC]

@privatebydesign Excellent, thanks

 

[jeffa4444]

I can confirm the above just set that up in my camera. Big improvement over the 6D as it drained the battery.

Another good reason for the upgrade for Landscape shooters.

 

[Pax2You]

Ok. So I got my 6d mark II today. It's badass... only one problem. Lightroom isn't ready for it and Raw files won't open. Lightroom can't read them. So I called canon. Tech told me Lightroom won't have the plug ready for several weeks to a month. So till then you have to use canons editing software. Also, i used the last free Lightroom before the creative cloud version with my 5d3. Now I'll have to pay for the creative cloud version. Double bummer? Camera is sick though.

Don't you love it when you contact a supposed expert and they talk sh!t?

Adobe Camera RAW 9.12 opens 6D MkII files.

https://helpx.adobe.com/camera-raw/kb/camera-raw-plug-supported-cameras.html#Canon

Yes a but I have LR 5.7 so DPP is all I get for now. I will resist grumbling about Adobe and their cash grabbing. Others will support it soon enough.......

Then you were wrong and don't "have the last version before the CC version" (in the sense that you can get 6.X without CC, anyway), and you don't "have to pay for the CC version" (at least in the sense of using CC, you can just get a standalone perpetual license for 6.X).

Come on, you spent $2000 on a camera body and you're balking at less than $100 on upgrading to the new version of LR to work with it? And you're blaming it on your unwillingness to switch to CC, which you don't have to do? Really?

LonelyBoy. Drink a bit more java and follow the names. I believe you assumed I'm jmoya. Regardless, adding a camera profile to existing versions of lightroom is a piece of cake for adobe. As I stated in my post, I'm not interested in signing on to their monthly fee program. I have other software for RAW conversion that will work fine.

 

[privatebydesign]

Ok. So I got my 6d mark II today. It's badass... only one problem. Lightroom isn't ready for it and Raw files won't open. Lightroom can't read them. So I called canon. Tech told me Lightroom won't have the plug ready for several weeks to a month. So till then you have to use canons editing software. Also, i used the last free Lightroom before the creative cloud version with my 5d3. Now I'll have to pay for the creative cloud version. Double bummer? Camera is sick though.

Don't you love it when you contact a supposed expert and they talk sh!t?

Adobe Camera RAW 9.12 opens 6D MkII files.

https://helpx.adobe.com/camera-raw/kb/camera-raw-plug-supported-cameras.html#Canon

Yes a but I have LR 5.7 so DPP is all I get for now. I will resist grumbling about Adobe and their cash grabbing. Others will support it soon enough.......

Then you were wrong and don't "have the last version before the CC version" (in the sense that you can get 6.X without CC, anyway), and you don't "have to pay for the CC version" (at least in the sense of using CC, you can just get a standalone perpetual license for 6.X).

Come on, you spent $2000 on a camera body and you're balking at less than $100 on upgrading to the new version of LR to work with it? And you're blaming it on your unwillingness to switch to CC, which you don't have to do? Really?

LonelyBoy. Drink a bit more java and follow the names. I believe you assumed I'm jmoya. Regardless, adding a camera profile to existing versions of lightroom is a piece of cake for adobe. As I stated in my post, I'm not interested in signing on to their monthly fee program. I have other software for RAW conversion that will work fine.

You bashed Adobe, a common sport around here, for not supporting an older version of their software. In fact they do, they have the free DNG convertor that enables you to retain your .CR2 and lets LR 5 open 6D MkII files. Adobe go above and beyond many software companies in their efforts to enable people to use old software with their new cameras and still not sign up for monthly payments.

How easy or difficult it is for them to keep supporting your old software has to be weighed up against why should they bother if you are not part of their revenue stream? If it is a legal copy you spend around $100 several years ago, they don't care about you as a customer because you aren't one.

 

[LonelyBoy]

Ok. So I got my 6d mark II today. It's badass... only one problem. Lightroom isn't ready for it and Raw files won't open. Lightroom can't read them. So I called canon. Tech told me Lightroom won't have the plug ready for several weeks to a month. So till then you have to use canons editing software. Also, i used the last free Lightroom before the creative cloud version with my 5d3. Now I'll have to pay for the creative cloud version. Double bummer? Camera is sick though.

Don't you love it when you contact a supposed expert and they talk sh!t?

Adobe Camera RAW 9.12 opens 6D MkII files.

https://helpx.adobe.com/camera-raw/kb/camera-raw-plug-supported-cameras.html#Canon

Yes a but I have LR 5.7 so DPP is all I get for now. I will resist grumbling about Adobe and their cash grabbing. Others will support it soon enough.......

Then you were wrong and don't "have the last version before the CC version" (in the sense that you can get 6.X without CC, anyway), and you don't "have to pay for the CC version" (at least in the sense of using CC, you can just get a standalone perpetual license for 6.X).

Come on, you spent $2000 on a camera body and you're balking at less than $100 on upgrading to the new version of LR to work with it? And you're blaming it on your unwillingness to switch to CC, which you don't have to do? Really?

LonelyBoy. Drink a bit more java and follow the names. I believe you assumed I'm jmoya. Regardless, adding a camera profile to existing versions of lightroom is a piece of cake for adobe. As I stated in my post, I'm not interested in signing on to their monthly fee program. I have other software for RAW conversion that will work fine.

Indeed I did. Nonetheless, my point stands - you are not required to sign up for CC to get LR6 and support for current cameras. No monthly fee, just a $79 upgrade charge. Now, you're free to carry on with other software, but please stop repeating this falsehood that you have to sign up for the monthly fees to get LR6. We have too many unchecked falsehoods running around these days already.

 

[Pax2You]

Bashing adobe may be common sport, but I simply said I wasn't interested in the way they do business. LR 6 is a temporary fix until they choose only to update CC. CC is reasonably priced only so long as it stays reasonably priced. It is up to adobe and their business model and not our input. I like to pay for things outright and I have moved on to other software as I noted in my original post. LonelyBoy you don't know me but you sure were ready to jump down my throat. Privatebydesign you are right. I am not part of adobe's current revenue stream.

 

[jmoya]

Ok. So I got my 6d mark II today. It's badass... only one problem. Lightroom isn't ready for it and Raw files won't open. Lightroom can't read them. So I called canon. Tech told me Lightroom won't have the plug ready for several weeks to a month. So till then you have to use canons editing software. Also, i used the last free Lightroom before the creative cloud version with my 5d3. Now I'll have to pay for the creative cloud version. Double bummer? Camera is sick though.
Where do I get this free DNG raw converter for lightroom or does anyone have a decent free link to the latest
LR6. I'm looking in youtube but can't seem to find a legit one. Thanks guys! This Forum is great!

Don't you love it when you contact a supposed expert and they talk sh!t?

Adobe Camera RAW 9.12 opens 6D MkII files.

https://helpx.adobe.com/camera-raw/kb/camera-raw-plug-supported-cameras.html#Canon

Yes a but I have LR 5.7 so DPP is all I get for now. I will resist grumbling about Adobe and their cash grabbing. Others will support it soon enough.......

Then you were wrong and don't "have the last version before the CC version" (in the sense that you can get 6.X without CC, anyway), and you don't "have to pay for the CC version" (at least in the sense of using CC, you can just get a standalone perpetual license for 6.X).

Come on, you spent $2000 on a camera body and you're balking at less than $100 on upgrading to the new version of LR to work with it? And you're blaming it on your unwillingness to switch to CC, which you don't have to do? Really?

LonelyBoy. Drink a bit more java and follow the names. I believe you assumed I'm jmoya. Regardless, adding a camera profile to existing versions of lightroom is a piece of cake for adobe. As I stated in my post, I'm not interested in signing on to their monthly fee program. I have other software for RAW conversion that will work fine.

You bashed Adobe, a common sport around here, for not supporting an older version of their software. In fact they do, they have the free DNG convertor that enables you to retain your .CR2 and lets LR 5 open 6D MkII files. Adobe go above and beyond many software companies in their efforts to enable people to use old software with their new cameras and still not sign up for monthly payments.

How easy or difficult it is for them to keep supporting your old software has to be weighed up against why should they bother if you are not part of their revenue stream? If it is a legal copy you spend around $100 several years ago, they don't care about you as a customer because you aren't one.

 

[LonelyBoy]

Bashing adobe may be common sport, but I simply said I wasn't interested in the way they do business. LR 6 is a temporary fix until they choose only to update CC. CC is reasonably priced only so long as it stays reasonably priced. It is up to adobe and their business model and not our input. I like to pay for things outright and I have moved on to other software as I noted in my original post. LonelyBoy you don't know me but you sure were ready to jump down my throat. Privatebydesign you are right. I am not part of adobe's current revenue stream.

Yes, I jumped down your throat. I'm going to jump down your throat again.

You are acting like a petulant child throwing a tantrum. LR6 is and was available for standalone purchase, so if you chose to not get the new version to support new cameras, that's because you chose not to, not because you don't like CC (I don't either). If you moved on to other software because of that or whatever other real reason, great! However, when you say "I have LR5.7 so DPP is all I get for now", I don't believe you've really moved on. If you had, you wouldn't care that 5.7 doesn't support the latest cameras, because you wouldn't have even tried to use it. If you don't want to support Adobe, that's great, but then you don't also get to whine that they aren't giving you updates when you also aren't a customer.

Either (actually) move on to the new software, pay Adobe the one-time fee for the upgrade, or use the various workarounds. Whichever you do, stop whining. No one, not Adobe, not Canon, and not me, has put you into the unreasonable situation you're claiming to be in.

 

[snappy604]

rants and frustrations aside..

have any of the forum members recvieved their 6d mk ii yet and have some RAWs to play with? any comments?