Canon EOS R1 & Canon EOS R5 Mark II announcement coming July 17

[neuroanatomist]

If rumors hold true the R5 II is going to eclipse the R3's AF speed, readout speed, and dynamic range.

Last rumor I read, readout speed will be slower than the R3, barely fast enough (if at all) to support flash with electronic shutter.

The only thing the R3 will have over the R5 is smaller file sizes, the multi-point control, which I love and will be sad not to have anymore, maybe built-in GPS.

The Smart Controller is the best AF point selection method I’ve used. I would not choose to give it up when shooting action.

The R3 will have nothing over the R1, not even closely.

It shouldn’t (except for the fact that I own the former and would need to buy the latter). The issue for me is what the R1 has over the R3.

Add a grip to the R5 II and it's the same price or more than the R3. R3 is a dead model clicking.

I find that accessory grips are less comfortable to hold than an integrated grip body for routine use.

I've enjoyed mine but I'm prepared to send to off to KEH or MPB in the next few weeks while it still has some $ value.

Personally, I’m not concerned with resale value. If I get the R1, I’ll keep my R3 until the R1 is in my hands.

 

[John Wilde]

Are you guys still doing a story on what's going on at Canon?

Only people inside of Canon Japan HQ know for sure. Canon releases their quarterly financial documents on July 25. That might include some clues.

 

[GoldWing]

There is still time to hope that the R1 won\'t be 24mp. But the window is closing...

30MP

 

[P-visie]

You already have a BT link with phone to attach a gps data to the images enabled. Use Camera Connect app from Canon and it does that.

That would be a solution if it actually worked: the connection between the phone and camera drops very frequently and the gps position is frequently incorrect. I have experienced differences of more that 500 meters between in the actual and reported position.

 

[sanj]

I’ll probably (but not definitely) place a preorder. Then I’ll give careful consideration to what the R1 offers over my R3.

Neuro. You will get the R1. You will.

 

[DBounce]

Is R1 compete to Sony A9 iii?

The R1 needs to bring more than what is speculated to compete against the A9III. I sold my R3 after purchasing the Sony. It feels like there is a generational difference between the R3 and the A9III. So far the leak relating to the R1 sound like an incremental update.

 

[vishaltpt]

As a synthetic vision systems researcher, I definitely KNOW what it takes to sense, process and compress both stills and video at ultra high data rates. The ridiculously outdated ARM cores that Canon is using as it's DIGIC-X processors are simply NOT up to the task! You need Qualcomm Snapdragon 855 CPUs AT A MINIMUM in order to record DCI-8K at 60 fps (8192 by 4320 pixels at up to 16 bits per colour channel aka 64-bits per pixel of RGB/YCbCr + Alpha or Z-axis/Depth channel values.

Until Canon CHANGES its on-camera video processors to newer ones with much higher GPU processing bandwidth, the R1 or R5-mk2 will NOT be able to record 60 fps DCI-8K resolution video!

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Ohhh... So, the Canon Digic-X processors use outdated ARM cores!

Isn't it time to switch to the latest in tech, Canon? Even $200 phones have the latest Qualcomm chips. So why not a top-of-the-line $4000 camera?

Of course, the camera's CPU is a much complex beast than a phone's, I guess... but still.

No wonder camera phones are getting better exponentially by the day as they use the latest and greatest in tech and software. Someone mentioned, "DJI smartphone integration feels like an EV compared to a 20-year-old car when compared to Canon." Maybe the older ARM cores used by Canon are the reason for the lag?

 

[jam05]

It is possible that 8k60p has been dissabled in some units in the field while enabled in others that may have a different firmwarw version installed.

 

[Richard CN]

Ohhh... So, the Canon Digic-X processors use outdated ARM cores!

Isn't it time to switch to the latest in tech, Canon? Even $200 phones have the latest Qualcomm chips. So why not a top-of-the-line $4000 camera?

Of course, the camera's CPU is a much complex beast than a phone's, I guess... but still.

No wonder camera phones are getting better exponentially by the day as they use the latest and greatest in tech and software. Someone mentioned, "DJI smartphone integration feels like an EV compared to a 20-year-old car when compared to Canon." Maybe the older ARM cores used by Canon are the reason for the lag?

Qualcomm uses ARM .. they all do - except some of the ones coming out of China I think. Even Apple I believe uses ARM.

The last I heard - and this was a while back that DIGIC used ARM's Cortex A9 - which is the latest major version of the ARM processor, and that was before DIGIC X, etc.

There's a valid reason to replace DryOS to something more industry standard, but that would be a major lift - and I believe Canon uses DryOS across many different things these days.

Snapdragon is far more than just simply the core processor though. It's DSP, GPU and what not.

Keep in mind though that phones have far more memory as well, than the traditional camera does - for whatever reason.

there's a lot to be said about leveraging the economies of scale of a snapdragon, etc. but it's not as if Canon's stupid here. My understanding was when DIGIC was first being worked on they had Texas Instruments do the heavy lifting on the chip.

No matter what, it's jut most a matter of slapping a new processor and things are different. But without a doubt ALL the camera companies lack a clear vision on how to maximize the hardware to be anywhere close to what a phone can do these days - but the use cases are different too.

 

[Richard CN]

It is possible that 8k60p has been dissabled in some units in the field while enabled in others that may have a different firmwarw version installed.

it could be card related. but hey we're talking about a rumor from SAR. I wouldn't take that over what Craig has heard.

 

[jam05]

It is possible that 8k60p has been dissabled in some units in the field while enabled in others that may have a different firmwarw version installed.

 

[Richard CN]

The R1 needs to bring more than what is speculated to compete against the A9III. I sold my R3 after purchasing the Sony. It feels like there is a generational difference between the R3 and the A9III. So far the leak relating to the R1 sound like an incremental update.

It took Sony 5 years to come out with the A9III - after the first two attempts were "meh"

I'm pretty sure Canon will get close if not better - on their first try.

 

[Canon Rumors]

It is possible that 8k60p has been dissabled in some units in the field while enabled in others that may have a different firmwarw version installed.

The R5 C has it. The core specs of the R52 may not have 8K60P, but if you add the grip............... All I have been told is "caveats", no one wants to clarify what that means.

Right now, leaks will be coming from retail, but even most of retail may not know the specifications until a day before the announcement. Canon has closed that door.

We'll see, I haven't seen an official spec sheet.

 

[Canon Rumors]

Sorry for the forum dying, it wasn't my fault.

 

[scyrene]

I want to see the full specification list before I preorder anything, at minimum. The R5ii is going to be better than what I'm using - this much I am very confident in, but if I can get away with an R5 on heavy discount instead, I probably will.

Wouldn't it be sensible to preorder as soon as you can? You can always cancel if the specs disappoint. If you do it the other way round, you might miss out on the first batch of deliveries.

 

[Del Paso]

Is the ‘New EVF design’ the patented tilting viewfinder?

See: https://www.canonrumors.com/canon-patents-a-built-in-tilting-viewfinder/

This would be fantastic for macro, since I cannot/don't want to use the rear LCD (never wearing reading glasses outside).

 

[Del Paso]

Sorry for the forum dying, it wasn't my fault.

R.I.P,?

 

[Del Paso]

Is R1 compete to Sony A9 iii?

Does a Lexus have to compete with a Lada?

 

[DBounce]

Does a Lexus have to compete with a Lada?

Calling an unreleased camera a Lada hardly seems fair. I’ll reserve judgment until I’ve shot with one.

 

[amorse]

Wouldn't it be sensible to preorder as soon as you can? You can always cancel if the specs disappoint. If you do it the other way round, you might miss out on the first batch of deliveries.

Yeah, I’m not usually one to preorder anything. I really appreciate trying a body before I buy. Part of me thinks I should do what you suggest, but I’m also not really in a massive hurry as my kit is still functional for my needs (just not perfect). We’ll see.