Canon EOS R1 Specifications [CR2]

I somewhat disagree that the R1 sounds ‘amazing’. I think (if the specs are true…it’s still just a CR2 rumor, albeit a reasonable sounding one) that the R1 sounds like a pretty good camera, but not amazing. No mention of quad pixel AF, and the inability of the R3 (and most other MILCs) to focus on horizontal lines is frustrating.

It wouldn’t make a spec list, but the recently-discussed better detection of extreme defocus (another generic failing of MILCs) would also be a very welcome addition. Having $15K of high-end technology (R3 + 100-300/2.8) need me to manually adjust focus to somewhat close when going from a near to a distant subject is a fail, especially when my 1D X + 600/4 II could do that without a hiccup (even if the new subject was a horizontal line).

The super fast frame rates are niche, IMO. Water drops? Ok. But 30 fps is already lots of shots to triage. The faster flash sync is great. But honestly, if I buy the R1 it will mostly be because it’s a 1-series and as such will likely offer a higher level of customization even compared to the R3 (e.g., the ability to actually select a frame rate instead of being limited to the three options Canon chose).

Oh…and AF point-linked spot metering. If you really want an example of the ‘cripple hammer’, that’s it. With DSLRs there was a hardware reason to keep that in the 1-series. With MILCs, there isn’t…but Canon has (assuming the R1 has it, of course).
Agreed - it sounds like, as you say, a very good 1 series Canon camera. But, I'm sure we kept hearing that there was going to be some really exceptional feature included (that never in the end got leaked)? Obviously, leaked specs like this don't tell the whole story on AF or DR in practical situations, or the impressive looking FPS, but I'm not really seeing anything exciting ...

I'm another in that camp that is not realistically going to buy an RI (despite 30MP being around about my sweet-spot), whatever the specs, but is interested in what it contains that might filter down to the next R6 or R5 series body. Which I might actually be in the market for.
 
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The R1 will be a phenomenal new camera (irrespective of the technical specs vis-a-vis other manufacturers), and the best part is not the numbers, it is the ability to put RF glass on the R1. We have all seen the videos of L glass on cheap body vs budget lens on a pro body in the past. Now picture our amazing L glass on a new and improved camera body, coupled with a new and processor and more features.

wrt R/RP as stopgap bodies - I see them as Canon’s first foray into FF MILC as development bodies: (1) to develop the new tech like EVF, IBIS etc., and (2) a platform to get new shorter flange distance RF mount glass out the door. Number (2) was vastly more important than (1) imho

Lastly, much talk on IQ here too in this thread, mostly technical aspects - in this I include colour rendition. I defected from Canon DSLRs to Sony A73, hated the colours (liked the Sony feature set, sharpness of the Zeiss 55mm f1.8 etc), but as soon as the R5 was launched I switched back. I will stick with Canon despite them not including every possible new feature in each camera body across all models. What we will get is a top notch chip in the new Digic X? (Whatever naming convention they decide to adopt) plus enhanced autofocus capabilities. That much is guaranteed.
 
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Crop sensors have mediocre IQ, low light performance and dynamic range. They don't compare to full frame sensors and the camera bodies that they are in never have the same af performance and are hardly weatherproof or have a battery big enough to move big telephoto primes, some of which have two motors that smaller batteries can't take advantage of. A battery grip doesn't change that. FYI, Canon doesn't even make a battery grip for the R7! Seriously, a 45 mpx sensor in a flagship camera isn't asking for much...
I mean…ok but when I’ve been watching a ton of bird/wildlife channel content with the release and reviews of the RF 200-800 all of them seem pretty happy with APSC camera bodies, those same communities are huge proponents of 1.4 and 2.0 extenders that also degrade IQ/low light performance and dynamic range. Those channels are also showing spectacular pictures taken with APSC cameras.

You remind me of the people when the R5 came out who declared the fact that shooting 8k video was a fairly limited feature was a complete deal breaker for them and they could never purchase a camera that had been crippled in that way. The sheer number of wedding photographers that seemed to exclusively shoot mid afternoon rainforest weddings in single four hour takes was wildly higher than anyone expected. The reality in professional video is no one actually wants 8k outside of extremely niche uses and even then not so much. My C500 mk2 can shoot 6k, and in all the time I’ve owned it I’ve had exactly one request from a client for 6k video…which they then immediately went back on and said 4k was totally fine. These people were just spec chasers who were suddenly furious that the thing that had never existed before wasn’t what they thought it should be.

Look at the new ARRI camera. If we look at what’s available in the cinema world you’d expect those big specs like 12k full frame recording with 8k 160p or something similar, gotta BLOW the competition out of the water right? Their 6k camera is 10 years old at this point. Instead they drop a super 35 4k sensor, this is the follow up to their…4k full frame sensor mini LF. They made the camera they knew cinematographers would actually want to use and not what would look bad ass on a spec sheet.

Canon is likely doing the same here. They are taking what the canon system offers, like a 100-300 2.8 or that 200-800, and making a camera that enables the best possible performance and workflow with those unique pieces of glass. You don’t need to crop in on your shot of a bird nearly as much because you have a lens with 800mm reach, that lower MP count is going to give you better low light performance and dynamic range, so you may be getting more opportunities for better shots than what is offered in other systems at much higher megapixels. That global shutter is really cool, but having 100-300mm in a 2.8 lens on a single body is probably going to get you more opportunities for better shots than a 70-200 on one body and a 300mm prime on another.

If the megapixels really are the issue for you…well I mean i guess you can always jump ship for one of the other companies, or stick with the 5/7 series of cameras that will do the job you’re looking to do more effectively. It just means living without the term “flagship” applied to the specific camera you’re using. My R5 was absolutely incredible on a safari in Africa, and that camera doesnt get any worse because something else came out. Hell, it just gets better as the price comes down.
 
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I've been waiting a long time for the R1. And these rumours disappoint me because of the resolution (time will tell whether these rumours are correct)

In 2021 Canon said that the R3 is not the flagship camera, see https://fstoppers.com/gear/canon-confirms-eos-r3-not-flagship-camera-580576. The rumours and expectations were huge. And now the rumours tell us that the R1 feels more like a R3 II.

I'm a self-employed photographer and have been shooting a lot of football and events with the 1DX since 2012. Because the R3 disappointed me in terms of resolution, I bought the R5 for events. I still use my old 1DX for football.

(BTW: The R3 has been on sale for months or almost a few years with a 1000.- discount - doesn't speak in favour of it being sold well)

Last autumn I thought about switching to Nikon. I tested the Z9. ISO 4000 is my standard for sports and events. But the noise of the Z9 was too much for me.

Here is a comparison, ISO 4000, 1/1600, f4 - out of cam JPG:

1DX from 2012 with 400 2.8 and 1.4 TC (lens version from 1999)
- https://i.ibb.co/g9L3ZCd/canon-400-mit-tc.jpg

Z9 with 400 2.8 and inbuilt 1.4 TC (lens version from 2023)
- https://i.ibb.co/x1Njx0v/400-mit-tc-2.jpg

Comparison with downsampled Nikon file to 18 MP, 200%
- https://i.ibb.co/T0RrBHh/downsample.jpg
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Conclusion: High resolution is nice. But please with clean files. Otherwise I prefer less resolution.
 
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Holy crap 13 pages of praise and hate.
I wonder how many of you guys are playing online video games, because this thread feels like the typical counter strike or league of legends lobby.
Some rare wholesome posts of excitement, lots of complaints and at least as many answers to those complaints that basically tell them to go f themselves.
 
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I mean…ok but when I’ve been watching a ton of bird/wildlife channel content with the release and reviews of the RF 200-800 all of them seem pretty happy with APSC camera bodies, those same communities are huge proponents of 1.4 and 2.0 extenders that also degrade IQ/low light performance and dynamic range. Those channels are also showing spectacular pictures taken with APSC cameras.

You remind me of the people when the R5 came out who declared the fact that shooting 8k video was a fairly limited feature was a complete deal breaker for them and they could never purchase a camera that had been crippled in that way. The sheer number of wedding photographers that seemed to exclusively shoot mid afternoon rainforest weddings in single four hour takes was wildly higher than anyone expected. The reality in professional video is no one actually wants 8k outside of extremely niche uses and even then not so much. My C500 mk2 can shoot 6k, and in all the time I’ve owned it I’ve had exactly one request from a client for 6k video…which they then immediately went back on and said 4k was totally fine. These people were just spec chasers who were suddenly furious that the thing that had never existed before wasn’t what they thought it should be.

Look at the new ARRI camera. If we look at what’s available in the cinema world you’d expect those big specs like 12k full frame recording with 8k 160p or something similar, gotta BLOW the competition out of the water right? Their 6k camera is 10 years old at this point. Instead they drop a super 35 4k sensor, this is the follow up to their…4k full frame sensor mini LF. They made the camera they knew cinematographers would actually want to use and not what would look bad ass on a spec sheet.

Canon is likely doing the same here. They are taking what the canon system offers, like a 100-300 2.8 or that 200-800, and making a camera that enables the best possible performance and workflow with those unique pieces of glass. You don’t need to crop in on your shot of a bird nearly as much because you have a lens with 800mm reach, that lower MP count is going to give you better low light performance and dynamic range, so you may be getting more opportunities for better shots than what is offered in other systems at much higher megapixels. That global shutter is really cool, but having 100-300mm in a 2.8 lens on a single body is probably going to get you more opportunities for better shots than a 70-200 on one body and a 300mm prime on another.

If the megapixels really are the issue for you…well I mean i guess you can always jump ship for one of the other companies, or stick with the 5/7 series of cameras that will do the job you’re looking to do more effectively. It just means living without the term “flagship” applied to the specific camera you’re using. My R5 was absolutely incredible on a safari in Africa, and that camera doesnt get any worse because something else came out. Hell, it just gets better as the price comes down.
An absolutely amazing post.
 
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I think for the R1 Canon are prioritizing image quality over MP, which is ideal for the intended market as these people are more likely to own the big L lenses, so the extra ability to crop further doesn't matter as much. They may not have been able to get the same dynamic range and readout speed etc on a 45MP or higher sensor.

If I was in the high end R1 market shooting sports and concerts I would go with the higher quality 30MP over 45MP. But if I was looking for a birding camera then it would be the R7 or R5.
 
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“Well spoken, Sir.” (Except I don’t have six fingers on my right hand.)

However, I don’t think I’ve changed. Some of the other names have, but I have never had patience with or respect for those who distort facts, come in with manifest bias, or claim to speak for those other than themselves. You may not recall the ‘discussions’ with Mikael/angkorwatt, Ryshi Sanyal, Graham Clark (Breakthrough filters founder), CarlTN, or others, but I do.
Putting forward corrections to other people's misinformation is doing us all a favour.

However there is no need to personally attack or belittle people no matter how you feel about it - you are just stooping to fighting with children -its the mark of a bully.

You are letting your emotions run away with you - which spoils from what are otherwise valuable contributions.

If you could stick to your excellent evidence-based facts and opinions based on your own experience and intuitions that would be much more nourishing - enriching even.
 
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As a wildlife photographer you should probably understand it's not always possible to get closer to your wildlife subject.
Absolutely right, but the idea that 30MP is insufficient in many circumstances is bogus. What with the long lens selection and modern software, 30MP would suffice in many situations, and if it doesn't, Canon offers a very good 45MP body already. The 1 series has traded resolution from speed since at least the 1Dx, and for that reason was never unequivocally the best option for birds; but 30MP is hardly low res!
 
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I think the read time of <0.8 microsecond should be corrected to <0.8 milli-second. 0.8 Micro-second is insane

Pity there's no mention of the 2nd gen Eye-controlled AF or quad-pixel AF enabling AI subject-recognition, though we know both are on the R1 spec sheet. Hopefully the next update will shed more light on these features but otherwise very solid upgrade from the 1Dx mark III and if they keep the price around $6K they will tempt a lot of R3 owners to upgrade.
 
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Isn’t the entire point of crop sensors(which to my knowledge have never been adapted to the pro/1 series style bodies) to get far more effective pixels on a subject than basically any available flagship camera out there?
Not the entire point; arguably the main benefit of crop is lower price. At present the R7 offers the highest pixel density of the R lineup but it's not an intrinsic benefit; when the 5Ds/R were released, they equalled the 7D2/70D (only to be leapfrogged by the 80D the next year).
 
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You can maybe say that the 1D bodies were not high megapixel, but the 1Ds bodies were definitely high megapixel.

Processors do have an architecture: 8bit, 16bit, 32bit, 64bit
Images do have pixels generating somewhat like 14 or 16bit, ... signals, let us simplify to 2 Byte per pixel.
So a 50 MP picture is represented by a 100 MB file.

No, you can't run 100MB parallel through a 64bit processor, it takes close to 200 processing cycles.
128 bit architecture? you come down to close to 100 processing cycles.

How many processing steps per processing cycle?
That's depending on the process in work, the SW performance and eventually HW acceleration in the loop.

"Massively parallel" is not the word to be applied to this reality.
Single Instruction Multiple Data, otherwise known as SIMD. Look it up!
 
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