Do you get paid every time you mention this? With respect, however important this is to you, you're spamming these forums by this point. I suggest taking some time off.
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Canon EOS R5 Mark II Images & Specifications
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I said the same thing to others before. But it’s a new conversation with Michael so it’s the first time I told him.
Yes many conversations are very similar but I‘m not spamming by talking to multiple people separately.
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What’s up with these limitations. Nikon offered 8.6K 60p 12-Bit RAW at a Bitrate of 5780Mbit/s in the Z8 and Z9 years ago. I mentioned the 8.6K oversampled 4K60p already. Why is Canon not able to match what Nikon gave us years ago? 8K oversampled 4K60p was even in the official marketing material from Canon so they either cut it shortly before the announcement or they will give us a firmware update. I hope it’s the latter!
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My guess is that Canon wants to stay inside the vpg400 rating, you can be sure the internet will blame canon when their slow cards can’t keep up.
8k60 raw lite is 2600mbit/s according to the manual, fits inside the 400mbyte/s of vpg400.
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If Nikon can do it there really isn’t any good excuse for Canon not to do it as well.
Nikon is pushing the boundaries and Canon doesn’t even match what Nikon did years ago showing the world that it can be done. That’s simply a fact and I would’ve loved to see Canon push the boundaries even further. It’d have been good for the entire industry but Canon doesn’t even enable 8K oversampled 4K60p in the R5 Mark II which is underwhelming if others were able to offer this years ago.
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Canon seems to play it safe when it comes to things like this, they want it to work for ‘most people’. Personally, I like the Nikon approach better, but I’m an engineer with a photo hobby, not a professional artist.
I can imagine getting frustrated when all the cards the local store has won’t work properly.
Again, I personally would prefer to have the option, Canon disagrees
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someone who buys a 5000€ camera won’t be frustrated when cards from the local store don’t work. He or she will buy cards that work with such a professional/enthusiast level camera. So that’s not really a strong argument.Canon seems to play it safe when it comes to things like this, they want it to work for ‘most people’. Personally, I like the Nikon approach better, but I’m an engineer with a photo hobby, not a professional artist.
I can imagine getting frustrated when all the cards the local store has won’t work properly.
Again, I personally would prefer to have the option, Canon disagrees
If Canon doesn’t match what others did years earlier they’re either not capable to do more or they don’t care about their customers. I would’ve loved to buy the R5 Mark II but if this isn’t addressed by a firmware update I‘ll either go for the upcoming Sony a1 ii or get the Nikon Z8.
I prefer Canon bodies over just about any other camera body but I don’t want to make compromises I want cutting edge tech and it’s simply underwhelming and disappointing when Canon artificially holds back their R5 Mark II not even/or barely matching the competition. There is no doubt that more would’ve been possible from a technical POV especially if the R5C and competitors implemented 8K oversampled 4K60p for example and yet Canon still limits it to 30p again. Playing safe isn’t exiting. A leading camera brand should push the boundaries.
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Maybe, just maybe, pushing the boundaries isn't Canon's philosophy. Maybe their philosophy is to make a camera that performs really well, is very dependable, and gives the target market the best camera for that market. Maybe, unlike you, they don't feel that in order to make the best camera, it has to do everything that Nikon or Sony does in terms of specs.
If you want a camera that does everything that can possibly be done, jamming every possible spec into it even if that reduces dependability and usability, then why stay with Canon? Choose a Sony or a Nikon if they have what you really want.
The fact that people think that every new Canon camera has to match or exceed every Nikon or Sony only shows how little people understand that each company has their own approach and own philosophy.
Choose the brand that matches what you want rather then demanding the brand conform to what you want. That is what an educated consumer does.
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^^This.
Some people want things on the cutting edge. Some people prefer to avoid pain and blood.
Personally, I don’t mind beta testing software. I prefer not to beta test hardware, and I don’t want the fix for a hardware bug to be buying a new iteration of the camera 2 years later.
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I think you vastly overestimate the problem solving ability and motivation for the vast majority of people.
In a previous job I had to support development boards for customers buying our chips, the amount of boards being blown up because someone plugged in a 12V power supply instead of a 5V one was staggering. As was the refusal of our board designers to add a failsafe for that situation.
I have been looking at CFe cards the past few weeks and if you go over 512GB, most of them aren’t vpg400 certified.
The Nikon people that actually shoot 8k60 tend to talk a lot about needing to find the right card, googling for specific models usually shows a forum thread and a youtube video with Nikon users asking for real life tests and then performing them.
While I personally don’t agree with limiting the options, I do understand it. In all my jobs I’ve argued for removing settings that only benefit a small percentage of customers, but turn into a massive support burden for the rest. For ‘customers’ read ‘hardware designers’, so we’re already on the rightmost side of the bell curve there!
And yes, that makes me a hypocrite: )
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Can't win with you people. Canon literally broke the boundaries with the R5 years ago, which was arguably a revolutionary camera, and all its remembered for is that it MIGHT overheat in certain video modes. It literally reinvigorated my passion for photography but because they did push it, all you internet people can think of is this one small/almost non-existent issue. And how is Canon being compared to Nikon as inferior? Did we forget the last 5 years of Canon's mirrorless releases?
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I am with Canon for the Glass and Autofocus. I also appreciate the fact all this L glass I have been acquiring is made in Japan. I know it does not matter where it is made as long as it is within spec. But the "Made in Japan" does give Me the warm fuzzy feelings.
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Why not shoot 8k60p and then export to 4k60p after editing? Is your computer too weak to make proxy files?
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Mainly because of storage and partly because I want to shoot in H.265 and NOT in RAW. 8K oversampled 4K60p in C-Log2 would be almost as detailed as 8K footage but it wouldn't take up ridiculous amounts of storage.
35.1TB if you're recording 8K60p daily for about an hour for one month vs 5.4TB when you're shooting 8K oversampled 4K60p
421.2TB vs 64.8TB for a year
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If you downsample and transcode the 8k to 4k in post, you could heat your home during winter with your computer
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