Canon EOS R6 Mark II – Here are some more specifications

Canon has been sitting in second place and Sony is ready to release updated bodies.
Yet somehow over 50% of the ILCs sold last year were made by Canon.

Canon either has to take an aggressive approach and maybe take a margin hit to bring features like a fast readout stacked sensor to their lower tiered bodies before the competition does in order to keep the ecosystem alive and not lose more people switching to Sony. Especially when Sony has lenses.....
Canon and Sony both gained about the same percentage of MILC market share last year, so there's really no evidence that the net number of people switching from Canon to Sony is meaningful in any way. Olympus lost significant market share, to both Sony and Canon.

Perhaps you're one of the people on this forum who actually lets facts and data influence your opinions, but I wouldn't bet money on that.
 
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Yet somehow over 50% of the ILCs sold last year were made by Canon.


Canon and Sony both gained about the same percentage of MILC market share last year, so there's really no evidence that the net number of people switching from Canon to Sony is meaningful in any way. Olympus lost significant market share, to both Sony and Canon.

Perhaps you're one of the people on this forum who actually lets facts and data influence your opinions, but I wouldn't bet money on that.
No offense but logically speaking, and looking at data you presented, if both companies have manufacturing delays due to covid and the global chip shortage, not to mention stock is still not at a normal capacity, wouldn't the data be skewed and not viable since there are still consumers waiting for camera bodies?
Meaning they sold as much as they can physically produce?

There's a huge demand for Sony Mirrorless ILC Systems and Canon Mirrorless ILC Systems.
Try buying an RF 24-70 or an FE 24-70 GMii. Or maybe an R3? Most places are still out of stock.

I believe that data you misinterpreted is the demand for consumers to upgrade and switch to mirrorless systems.
And yes, I am a Canon fanboy but yet I believe Canon is second place (Not referring to sales) in regard to the Sony systems in terms of features and capabilities as well as system as a whole.
Still waiting to buy an RF 35L and a RF12 or RF14 L, maybe a 12-24 2.8 or 4.0?.....
Back to my initial statement that Canon might actually use the R3 sensor in the R6ii in order to try and push ahead of Sony's feature list.
 
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I did wonder. I never learned how to set up the custom modes, I'm permanently in M and just manually change the shutter speed, ISO, AF mode as required. I'm sure your way is more efficient, but am I too stubborn to change now? :unsure:
Same here. I'm mostly in manual mode on my R6. With RF lenses, it has 4 (!!!!) dials. I put the viewfinder to exposure simulation so I can see what the picture is actually going to look like then simply adjust the appropriate dials to get the desired result. I typically have the lens dial set to control the aperture, the front dial the shutter speed, the back dial the white balance, and the back scroll the ISO. It works for me.
 
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always thinking of the non existant security features on cameras and canon could lead the way, since NO cameras (correct me if I'm wrong) have anything to prevent a stolen camera being used. A simple screen lock with 6 digits would be a start.
 
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Same here. I'm mostly in manual mode on my R6. With RF lenses, it has 4 (!!!!) dials. I put the viewfinder to exposure simulation so I can see what the picture is actually going to look like then simply adjust the appropriate dials to get the desired result. I typically have the lens dial set to control the aperture, the front dial the shutter speed, the back dial the white balance, and the back scroll the ISO. It works for me.
I've not used the lens dial (control ring?) yet, my reflexes are too wedded to EF.
 
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I've not used the lens dial (control ring?) yet, my reflexes are too wedded to EF.
Even without it, you have shutter speed, ISO, and aperture control via the other 3. There are a myriad of shooting situations, but most of the time in uncontrolled lighting, I find myself only changing one thing from shot to shot, and it's usually ISO if I don't just put it on auto ISO. The other settings, you're either wide open and the slowest shutter you'll tolerate for that focal length/shooting condition, or you're changing the shutter or aperture for very specific reasons. Being able to assign WB to a control dial is just icing on the cake, though again, usually it's just initially set it to the given light once at the job (whatever the predominate ambient wb is for that location) and get on with it with maybe minor shot to shot tweaks.
 
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Even without it, you have shutter speed, ISO, and aperture control via the other 3. There are a myriad of shooting situations, but most of the time in uncontrolled lighting, I find myself only changing one thing from shot to shot, and it's usually ISO if I don't just put it on auto ISO. The other settings, you're either wide open and the slowest shutter you'll tolerate for that focal length/shooting condition, or you're changing the shutter or aperture for very specific reasons. Being able to assign WB to a control dial is just icing on the cake, though again, usually it's just initially set it to the given light once at the job (whatever the predominate ambient wb is for that location) and get on with it with maybe minor shot to shot tweaks.
Yeah, I don't manually adjust WB so only need 3. Usually I'm just changing ISO + shutter speed shot to shot, aperture less often (especially as my current bird lens has a fixed one!). I'm probably missing out a bit by not customising buttons/modes, but I'm not doing enough shooting these days to make it worth my while, plus if I miss a shot, too bad. It's good to have so many options though!
 
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No offense but logically speaking, and looking at data you presented, if both companies have manufacturing delays due to covid and the global chip shortage, not to mention stock is still not at a normal capacity, wouldn't the data be skewed and not viable since there are still consumers waiting for camera bodies?
Meaning they sold as much as they can physically produce?
Both Sony and Canon MILC market share grew by ~5% from 2020 to 2021. Unless you have data suggesting the supply chain issues differentially affected one or the other, why assume so? The only 'skew' is that there may be unmet demand for some camera bodies (I preordered my R3 in the first few minutes, those who waited a few hours to preorder waited a few extra months for their R3). If you want to assume that while both Canon and Sony grew at the same rate, only Sony or only Canon would have grown faster because there was more demand they couldn't meet, that's less of an assumption and more of an ASSumption.

I believe that data you misinterpreted is the demand for consumers to upgrade and switch to mirrorless systems.
How so? I'm not interpreting (or misinterpreting) demand. Demand is hard to quantify, and honestly it doesn't matter all that much. Lots of people want to buy a BMW or Mercedes, so demand is high. But most people actually buy a Toyota or a Honda. If you want to talk demand, it's interesting that you mention all of Sony's presumably forthcoming bodies but ignore the R7 and R10. I suspect that those less expensive bodies will have a significant impact on MILC market share, even with only partial year impact for 2022. Those are the Toyotas and Hondas of the MILC market. Will be interesting to see who leads the MILC market in 2024.


And yes, I am a Canon fanboy but yet I believe Canon is second place (Not referring to sales) in regard to the Sony systems in terms of features and capabilities as well as system as a whole.
You can believe whatever you want. There's no objective way to measure what is 'the best' in those terms. Sony doesn't have an f/2 standard zoom, and I love my 28-70/2. Sony doesn't have a 70-200/2.8 that fits vertically in my camera bag slot, the Sony lens would take up two lens spaces instead of one. Sony doesn't even make TS-E / PC lenses or a fisheye zoom (I have no use for the latter, but have two of the former, along with the MP-E 65 for which there's also no Sony equivalent). Everyone's best is unique to them.

What can be measured is what people actually buy. And for that, we go back to my initial statement that >50% of ILCs sold last year were made by Canon. So while everyone determines what's best for them, the fact is that the majority of ILC buyers think that system that's best for them is Canon.
 
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Yeah, I don't manually adjust WB so only need 3. Usually I'm just changing ISO + shutter speed shot to shot, aperture less often (especially as my current bird lens has a fixed one!). I'm probably missing out a bit by not customising buttons/modes, but I'm not doing enough shooting these days to make it worth my while, plus if I miss a shot, too bad. It's good to have so many options though!
Yeah, with pretty much any camera/lens made in the last 10 years, there's no reason not to fairly consistently have even reasonably good results in most situations. Photographers 50 years back were getting good results using less. We have an embarrassment of riches when it comes to photographic tools. It's actually almost too much and tends to get in the way. I actually prefer just keeping it simple.
 
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I did wonder. I never learned how to set up the custom modes, I'm permanently in M and just manually change the shutter speed, ISO, AF mode as required. I'm sure your way is more efficient, but am I too stubborn to change now? :unsure:
You younger guys aren't as technologically savvy as us oldies.;)
 
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Both Sony and Canon MILC market share grew by ~5% from 2020 to 2021. Unless you have data suggesting the supply chain issues differentially affected one or the other, why assume so? The only 'skew' is that there may be unmet demand for some camera bodies (I preordered my R3 in the first few minutes, those who waited a few hours to preorder waited a few extra months for their R3). If you want to assume that while both Canon and Sony grew at the same rate, only Sony or only Canon would have grown faster because there was more demand they couldn't meet, that's less of an assumption and more of an ASSumption.


How so? I'm not interpreting (or misinterpreting) demand. Demand is hard to quantify, and honestly it doesn't matter all that much. Lots of people want to buy a BMW or Mercedes, so demand is high. But most people actually buy a Toyota or a Honda. If you want to talk demand, it's interesting that you mention all of Sony's presumably forthcoming bodies but ignore the R7 and R10. I suspect that those less expensive bodies will have a significant impact on MILC market share, even with only partial year impact for 2022. Those are the Toyotas and Hondas of the MILC market. Will be interesting to see who leads the MILC market in 2024.



You can believe whatever you want. There's no objective way to measure what is 'the best' in those terms. Sony doesn't have an f/2 standard zoom, and I love my 28-70/2. Sony doesn't have a 70-200/2.8 that fits vertically in my camera bag slot, the Sony lens would take up two lens spaces instead of one. Sony doesn't even make TS-E / PC lenses or a fisheye zoom (I have no use for the latter, but have two of the former, along with the MP-E 65 for which there's also no Sony equivalent). Everyone's best is unique to them.

What can be measured is what people actually buy. And for that, we go back to my initial statement that >50% of ILCs sold last year were made by Canon. So while everyone determines what's best for them, the fact is that the majority of ILC buyers think that system that's best for them is Canon.
And all this because of my statement that I could see Canon putting a variation of the R3 Stacked Sensor in the R6ii to compete with Sony's line up.
Starting to ramble on about crop sensor bodies while this thread is about the Full Frame R6ii, that's an ASSumption.
Demand is not hard to quantify, if it sells quick and you can't keep it on the shelf, that's demand. lol
 
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And all this because of my statement that I could see Canon putting a variation of the R3 Stacked Sensor in the R6ii to compete with Sony's line up.
No, all this because you made claims that were not consistent with the available facts and data.

Starting to ramble on about crop sensor bodies while this thread is about the Full Frame R6ii, that's an ASSumption.
But your rambling on about lenses is totally germane? Sure, sure.

Demand is not hard to quantify, if it sells quick and you can't keep it on the shelf, that's demand. lol
Supply is another part of the equation. First you bring it up, now you ignore it. Well done.
 
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Well, rumors do seem to get going over a year before most II or III versions of cameras are released. And the R5 and R6 were a bit "late" from their original planned introduction in early 2020 which got derailed by the pandemic and supply chain issues.

A rumor first appearing in the fall of 2022 that results in an early 2024 release 18 months later would not be not that unusual, would it?
Sounds reasonable :)

So a little bit early R5 II release would be possible as well... looking forward to this.
Main features I would hope for (since they fixed the overheat) would be more DR in video (which the R5 is quite a bit behind compard to the competition). Also Full Size HDMI and 1080p with 240 frames (shouldnt be a problem at all with the current datarates the R5 offers). :)
 
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always thinking of the non existant security features on cameras and canon could lead the way, since NO cameras (correct me if I'm wrong) have anything to prevent a stolen camera being used. A simple screen lock with 6 digits would be a start.
I kind of like the idea of a passcode...but it wouldn't be nearly as useful of a feature as it is on a cellphone. At the end of the day, if your passcode-protected camera were to get stolen, you could take a bit of solace in the fact that the thief wouldn't be able to use it. But odds are, he/she also nabbed two or three lenses along with it. So, it really just goes back to doing all you can to minimize someone's opportunity to steal your gear.
 
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well fair enough, but if enough companies started implimenting these features, thieves wouldn't even bother as they'd know its too much hassel to resell.
Someone stole my TomTom GPS just over a week ago when I was on vacation and using it abroad. TomTom deactivated it on request so it can't be updated or have real time traffic info. With luck, my travel insurance will pay for it.
 
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