Canon EOS R6 Mark II – Here are some more specifications

[rpiotr01]

To be clear, the 24 MP sensor is a CR3 rumor. The use of a stacked sensor (e.g. that in the R3) was a CR1 rumor that CRguy now deems 'probable' (which is not the same as the near-certainty of a CR3 rating).

You sounds like the DRoners of a decade ago, harping on about how Canon was not competitive on low ISO dynamic range and since Sony and Nikon had sensors that were so much better, Canon was d00med. Meanwhile, in the real world, Canon went right on gaining market share.

Has it been 10 years already? I guess you're right, I remember buying the 5DIII for a trip and loving it, and then everyone on the interwebs said how terrible the camera was because it couldn't do a thing that I never in my life really thought of doing. Time flies!

 

[neuroanatomist]

Has it been 10 years already? I guess you're right, I remember buying the 5DIII for a trip and loving it, and then everyone on the interwebs said how terrible the camera was because it couldn't do a thing that I never in my life really thought of doing. Time flies!

Oh you needed to do it, you just didn't know it. That was the year that I visited the Musée d'Exmor in Paris, where the lighting is intentionally so poor that I needed to push the exposure 10 stops to recover my pictures. Here's a shot from the visit:

 

[rpiotr01]

Oh you needed to do it, you just didn't know it. That was the year that I visited the Musée d'Exmor in Paris, where the lighting is intentionally so poor that I needed to push the exposure 10 stops to recover my pictures. Here's a shot from the visit:

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Good thing you went when you did, nowadays you'd barely get the shot what with all the selfie sticks.

 

[HMC11]

Oh you needed to do it, you just didn't know it. That was the year that I visited the Musée d'Exmor in Paris, where the lighting is intentionally so poor that I needed to push the exposure 10 stops to recover my pictures. Here's a shot from the visit:

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Is your focus the "Canon is d00med" sales prediction chart on the left? Everything else is kind of blurry.........

 

[neuroanatomist]

Is your focus the "Canon is d00med" sales prediction chart on the left? Everything else is kind of blurry.........

That was 2012 Sony AF.

I jest.

 

[John Wilde]

If Canon wants to be aggressive in the marketplace, more lenses will need to come out next year, the competition has high level primes ready to supply to the demand.

Below graphic created by Canon:

 

[TonyG]

Below graphic created by Canon:

That’s exactly my point, the faster they get them out, the more competitive they will be. I’m not sure why suggesting they push the bounds and come out with more aggressive products is such a bad thing….

 

[koenkooi]

Below graphic created by Canon:

You can draw pretty much any curve through 2 points. For example, Canon could discontinue all RF lenses after 2023:


I wish companies would stop publishing vague graph-like things and say straight out what they are going to do.

Also: the y axis is both unlabeled and undefined, so we don't even know if that bigger bar in 2023 actually means "more than 2022".

 

[neuroanatomist]

You can draw pretty much any curve through 2 points. For example, Canon could discontinue all RF lenses after 2023:
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I wish companies would stop publishing vague graph-like things and say straight out what they are going to do.

Also: the y axis is both unlabeled and undefined, so we don't even know if that bigger bar in 2023 actually means "more than 2022".

This isn't a graph in a peer-reviewed publication, it's a graph in a business-focused slide deck. It's pretty clear from the data point labels on the first two bars that the Y axis is number of RF lenses, especially since the word "Lenses" is at the top of the graphic. The only other text on the graphic is, "Expand lens lineup at same pace." Since there are only actual two data points, the words 'same pace' define the slope of the line connecting the future data points. 26 - 18 = 8 lenses per year. That tracks with the visual.

Personally, I'd have rotated the red arrow and text a few degrees counterclockwise so the slope of the arrow matched the slope of the bars, but that's just me.

Of course, even though I think it's very clear what they are claiming, I recognize that doesn't necessarily mean they'll deliver those 8 lenses/year over the next four years. I think we're at 6 new lenses so far in 2022.

 

[TonyG]

This isn't a graph in a peer-reviewed publication, it's a graph in a business-focused slide deck. It's pretty clear from the data point labels on the first two bars that the Y axis is number of RF lenses, especially since the word "Lenses" is at the top of the graphic. The only other text on the graphic is, "Expand lens lineup at same pace." Since there are only actual two data points, the words 'same pace' define the slope of the line connecting the future data points. 26 - 18 = 8 lenses per year. That tracks with the visual.

Personally, I'd have rotated the red arrow and text a few degrees counterclockwise so the slope of the arrow matched the slope of the bars, but that's just me.

Of course, even though I think it's very clear what they are claiming, I recognize that doesn't necessarily mean they'll deliver those 8 lenses/year over the next four years. I think we're at 6 new lenses so far in 2022.

Yes, we are at 6 lenses so far this year as well as last year. The numbers on the graph are not correct. The graph might be an old projection from years ago.

2020 we had 17 lenses in the RF Line.
2021 we had 24 lenses (+7)
2022 thus far we are at 30 (+6).
Unfortunately, this does not follow the 8 per year model, but lets hope we can get another lens or two in the next month maybe.
I hope the 35mm is next.
If they can release the missing L primes next year, they will really start to crush the market.

Edit: I also noticed a pattern that releases are 2 lenses at a time. Also not sure they are counting the 2 extenders that are not in my calculation.

 

[EOS 4 Life]

I wish companies would stop publishing vague graph-like things and say straight out what they are going to do.

Canon is very market driven.
They probably are not even sure what they are going to do.
I do wish they had lens roadmaps like Nikon, Fuji, and OM have.

 

[Steve Balcombe]

Musée d'Exmor

LOL! Great post.

 

[peters]

Extremely bright day near the beach taking event photos for a client where it would benefit me to shoot large-aperture primes wide open. I suppose I could buy and fiddle with ND filters on-site, but you know . . . it would be more fun to buy a new camera, wouldn't you agree??? lol

Ha, I totaly agree on that! =) =)

 

[peters]

I never have understood why video shooters keep begging for more Dynamic Range. Professional film/video shooters are supposed to know how to control light so they don't need unrealistic DR performance from their cameras. Yes, this includes shooting outdoors in bright sunlight. Large scrims and graduated ND filters have been a staple of studio productions for almost 100 years.

Your understanding on everyday work appears to be a bit limited than ;-)
Jokes aside: We are not talking about large cinema or very expensive commercial productions. In these cases you would certainly not use a hybrid camera.
When talking about hybrid cameras like the R5 we talk about mid sized producitons. Here you dont always have the time and money to set the light the way you want. Especialy not outdoor or on large places. Often you get just confronted with the situation as it is. For a simple imagefilm you cant light out an entire production hall or remove the sun from the windows. You cant change the light in event-documentaries. And you cant change the light during weddings, where you get confronted with LOTS of challenging lighting situation. You cant just set up large scrims or use graduated ND filters to fix things like this. These situations may be okay with 14 stops of DR in photomode. But certainly not with 10 stops which the R5 offers in videomode. More dynamic range just gives you way more possibilites to frame a shot or to work quickly in more demanding situations, where you cant control the light.

Also, the R5 is realy far behind to the competition when it comes to DR in video, not just a bit. Photo is very good, overall video quality is also quite good. Handling, Autofocus, reliability, lenses, etc. is also excellent. But DR in video with its 10 Stops is realy not that great. The R5C is NOTEABLE better (I had both and worked with both cameras in combination). But the R5C got a lot of other problems which makes it a pretty annoying camera to use in my experience (worse AF and extremelly bad battery performance forces you to rig it up, which makes is way less easy and quick to use).
Sony offers in the A7 III an impressive 12,9 stops of DR while the R5 offers 10,8. These are very similar cameras (similar price, formfactor, reslution). So I dont understand why you think that asking for a better DR in the R5 II is in any way "begging for unrealistic DR performance". Especialy since the R5C with the same sensor managed to offer a way better DR.

 

[David - Sydney]

True, but some of the capabilities of the camera would be diminished.
The #1 reason that I stuck with Canon is how well EF lenses work with Canon mirrorless.

The rest of my post showed how the Sony camera + adapter wouldn't be compromised too much in performance....
"AF isn't an issue for TS-E and MP-E lenses. For the fisheye zoom (which I do use occasionally) setting the manual focus to infinity fits almost all use cases."

There was an obvious choice for me to move to R mount mirrorless using my existing EF lenses. I never considered using adapters with Sony. It was fortunate for the lockdowns to enable money saved from travelling to fund my transition

 

[David - Sydney]

Very true but I just got my insurance annual premium and it is clear that I have too much gear even if it is only ~3% of replacement value!!!
Great value for piece of mind especially for underwater stuff and global travel.

Bad news though when I checked the replacement cost of each item with increases from 10% to 20% across the board. The stronger USD would account for most of it even though the AUD has strengthened against the JPY by 10% over the last year so Canon is using pricing in USD on a global basis.

 

[Michael Clark]

Sony "Clear Image Zoom" also does some interpolation.

"Clear Image Zoom" ≠ "Digital Zoom"

 

[neuroanatomist]

"Clear Image Zoom" ≠ "Digital Zoom"

Does “Digital Tele-converter” = “Digital Zoom”?

 

[Michael Clark]

Yes, we are at 6 lenses so far this year as well as last year. The numbers on the graph are not correct. The graph might be an old projection from years ago.

2020 we had 17 lenses in the RF Line.
2021 we had 24 lenses (+7)
2022 thus far we are at 30 (+6).
Unfortunately, this does not follow the 8 per year model, but lets hope we can get another lens or two in the next month maybe.
I hope the 35mm is next.
If they can release the missing L primes next year, they will really start to crush the market.

Edit: I also noticed a pattern that releases are 2 lenses at a time. Also not sure they are counting the 2 extenders that are not in my calculation.

Canon classifies extenders as lenses in both their catalogs and in departmental reports, so I'd think Canon does count those new extenders as two of the new lenses for 2020.

 

[Michael Clark]

Does “Digital Tele-converter” = “Digital Zoom”?

Maybe. Consider the additional context of an intermediate comment by another poster that said, "I don't think it will zoom digitally but only crop the image."