Canon EOS R7 Mark II: Minor Tweaks or a Major Transformation?
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An APS-C body that's identical with a full-frame body except for the sensor size would also be the same price (or even more due to lower demand at that price level). The cost saving of the sensor is not that much compared to the overall cost of developing, stocking and supporting a new model. I suspect relatively few people would buy an R7 that cost the same as an R5.
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As far as the thumb wheel position goes, I'm another one thinking R7 location is infinitely better than R5II. On the latter it requires conscious thinking and some finger gymnastics to get the thumb on the wheel. On the former ... the thumb is on the wheel without thinking.
The wheel around the set button is more complicated. It is very practical in use, but so are the four customizable buttons on R7.
The wheel around the set button is more complicated. It is very practical in use, but so are the four customizable buttons on R7.
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If the R7 II goes as far upmarket as suggested, I am thinking the price could well exceed $2k. The introductory price of the 7D II corrected for inflation would be just shy of $2400. If canon leaves the original R7 in the market a la Sony, then that kind of price would likely work out just fine for the higher end customers. Time will tell.
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Yes. So my questions are, how did that make business sense? And why did it cease to be later? And if this rumour is true, why has the situation seemingly reversed again?
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I'm not sure that actually holds true in terms of final body pricing (Although agree on the face of it that your assertion seems to make sense).
However if we look at the differentiation in the EOS line the 5dmkiii and 7Dmkii were almost identical body wise and the 7D being a newer model had the advantage of dual Digic processors, better AF, more cross type sensors, plus higher frame rate and buffer compared to the full frame 5d.Yet pricing wise the 7dmkii launched at £1,599 vs £2,999 for the 5Dmkiii. Canon have form in the EOS line for being able to deliver an almost identical if not better specced APS-C body at a lower price point. So don't think we can rule out the possibility that Canon will do this again.
Ideally for me at least if they delivered an R5mkii body-spec with a 32ish MegaPixel stacked BSI sensor and decent buffer depth, I'd retire my 7Dmkii in a shot.
I know there is also the argument that such a body would cannibalise R5mkii sales but I don;t think that's also necessarily the case, at least not entirely.
For me at least it would be the sale of two R bodies that compliment and to an extent act as backups. Yes there will be people who only purchase an R5 or R7 and have a single body but many others will combine the two as we did with the 5D/7D combo.
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Another vote here for the R7’s current thumbwheel location, though the joystick could use some tweaking (it’s far too easy to accidentally nudge while you’re reviewing photos/vids). As a hybrid shooter I also absolutely DO NOT want to see that video switch on the left side of the body like the R5ii et al; just tuck the current off/stills/video switch a little further back into the body so there’s less chance of it accidentally getting knocked on.
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I’m in m43 for birds and bugs now, canon for everything else (m6ii and R8, yes, three mounts). I finalized that move (sold the canon tele and macro lenses, bought m43 telephoto) when the R7 came out. Partly that was due to camera issues (rolling shutter in R7 and more computational options in OM-1), which would likely be fixed with new R7. But it was also that I kind of maxed out my budget and lifting ability in ef mount with a used 500f4, which was amazing but too heavy for me to handhold much so I was on a tripod and gimbal. M43 has compromises in terms of smaller aperture with high quality lenses that I don’t think Canon matches. 400 f4.5 is like f5.6 or f9 on an R7 or R5, but it’s still f4.5 for low light focus, the most important thing for me shooting birds early and late, and it’s lighter and cheaper than say the rf100-300 plus a teleconverter. If Canon made something like the Nikon 200-500, even at twice the price and slightly better than Nikons, it would make a new R7 much more competitive for me than m43, but till that happens I’ll probably stick to m43 until the company goes out of business or a few years later
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I agree. If it is a true stacked sensor, I would expect it to be closer to $2900. Perhaps it will be one of those "partially stacked" sensors like what Nikon has in the Z6 III. I kind of expect that in the new R6 III, if they want to maintain a similar price point to the mark II.
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That would be a dream but will not come true, but IF... I would be with you, of course. If Canon improves the features we can realistically expect:
- return to standard body layout
- improved sensor including faster readout
- improved AF
- improved 4k video features
- option for a battery grip...
... I'll definitely upgrade.
If the sensor will be a stacked BSI one, I do hope that Canon will not further miniaturize the pixel pitch, since the active photo sites of pixels on stacked sensors are already smaller than those of conventional sensors. Dynamic range shrinks with the size of active photo sites, and this can be a real issue.
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Subjectively
, I have to agree with all critical comments about that tiny joystick-wheel combo of the R7 Mk I. My hands are male & medium sized, and past winter again I frequently struggled to use it with gloves, so had to choose between cold stiff fingers that lost their contact sensitivity or a warm, but definitely too thick glove-packed thumb. And I am sure that a lot of R7 owners who use that camera for wildlife have the same trouble with that crammed layout.
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I just wanted to say what a horrible experience it was using an iPad and trying to read this article. I understand that you’ve got to make a living and that you have to advertise but it would be nice if you could do so in a way that wasn’t incredibly annoying to someone trying to read. FYI, I don’t want to buy a new boiler for thousands of pounds!
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I can think of two possibilities:
a "baby R1" released two years before the actual R1 doesn't seem like a good strategy
They might not have been confident that such a camera would have sold well when it was one of the first two aps-c R cameras.
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And in spite of the popularity of the 7D II, I suspect the 70D, 80D, and 90D all outsold it by a pretty wide margin. The R7 is similar to the 90D in many respects but upscaled in a number of features. Kind of between the xxD and 7D lines both in features and price. In retrospect, it was likely a good decision for the time. The R7 has sold quite well.
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