Canon EOS R7 Mark II to Drop The Mechanical Shutter?

[Toamelicious]

Oh no. Please, not that shutter. It is very badly damped, both when it comes to sound and to vibrations. I rather take the shutter from 7DII if we are going to reuse a prior design. Even including the mirror swapping up and down, the 7DII felt and sounded much better damped than the R7.
And I got my first full-day >500 shots with the R7 ruined because of shutter-shock.

I feel ya.
Got quite a lot of blurry photos at first. They "fixed" it via firmware by reducing fps at critical shutter speeds later I think. But also I avoided the 50-200/s range.

Probably would have never happened to me if I just stuck to single shot for specific photos, but I tend to just leave my camera in burst and overshoot a little.

 

[HES]

Having some feedback would be good eg the haptic patent from some time ago.
I’m not a studio portrait photographer but wouldn’t the shutter noise help models with poses?

Ever tried working shooting people, models or actors with a completely silent cam? The sound is about the most essential part of the interaction between them and the photographer. In a studio there are the powerful flashes to convince the models that they're not standing and acting in a void.
Even without the sound of a mechanical shutter, IMHO you can't work with people without a clear mark every time a shot is taken; a click, a flash or whatever.

 

[neuroanatomist]

Ever tried working shooting people, models or actors with a completely silent cam? The sound is about the most essential part of the interaction between them and the photographer. In a studio there are the powerful flashes to convince the models that they're not standing and acting in a void.
Even without the sound of a mechanical shutter, IMHO you can't work with people without a clear mark every time a shot is taken; a click, a flash or whatever.

Stop blaming the tool, just take care of it yourself.

 

[I_Miss_Minolta]

I care about flash sync speed. With the R7, it is way up there at 1/320 sec. using electronic 1st curtain. With mechanical shutter, it drops to 1/250 sec. With electronic shutter it is zero since it is not supported at all. If I get 1/320 sec. (or higher, Canon?) w/o a mechanical shutter, super. If not, gimme the 2nd curtain.

\"APS-C: Living the Dream!\"

 

[definedphotography]

IMHO you can't work with people without a clear mark every time a shot is taken; a click, a flash or whatever.

I've seen plenty of videos of people counting 1-2-3 *click*

 

[Toamelicious]

I'd like to output timecode signal to trigger a mixer and blast a 110dBA shutter sound over a PA to make sure the talent noticed I took a photo. Without this I'll switch to sony

 

[Seeker]

Having some feedback would be good eg the haptic patent from some time ago.
I’m not a studio portrait photographer but wouldn’t the shutter noise help models with poses?

A shutter sound definitely helps with models. The original R5 was so quiet models couldn't hear it and didn't know when to move. That was a reason for me waiting on the R5 mkII.

I would like to see a volume control on future cameras. Perfectly quiet to load enough to hear across the room with a few steps in-between should satisfy everyone. A just-loud-enough-for-the-photographer-to-hear should be a popular choice

 

[MikeGalos]

Stop blaming the tool, just take care of it yourself.

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A couple of years ago, Nikon demonstrated a custom shutter click sound for the Z 9 which literally meowed. Sadly, they never shipped it.

 

[Besisika]

I've seen plenty of videos of people counting 1-2-3 *click*

I couldn't stop laughing. Most likely, they want the model not to close her eyes when they press the shutter.
If a model relies on shutter sound to pose, then you must be shooting available light with a 16mm lens, with the barrel touching her nose from time to time. It is a portrait too you know.
A friend of mine keeps on yelling "you are sexy, you beautiful, gorgeous, ...", I can't even hear a car passing by because of him, let alone a shutter sound. I shoot 200mm lens, the models keep on telling me "louder, I can't hear you" when I pose them.
Indeed "Stop blaming the tool, just take care of it yourself."

 

[Cuffbertt]

A couple of years ago, Nikon demonstrated a custom shutter click sound for the Z 9 which literally meowed. Sadly, they never shipped it.

At work we use a little Ricoh camera, and it barks like a dog when you take a photo, but also meows like a cat EVERY TIME YOU PRESS ANY BUTTON, so if you’re flicking through the menu it goes “meow meow meow meow meow”.

Some people hate it and want to change it back to normal, but those of us that know how to change it find it funny and won’t do it.

 

[SteB1]

I do hope this is true as it could mean that this camera would be capable of in camera focus stacking with flash. Previously, only the Olympus system was capable of this, but I believe the R5 mkII does it. However, to me personally, FF is not best suited for macro, because unless you crop a lot, you need a lot of extra magnification. If the R7 mkII does focus bracketing with flash, then Canon needs a lens like the Olympus/OMD 90mm macro, 2x lens, which currently most top macro photographers in the world are using. It doesn't have to match the specifications, but it does need at least 2x magnification, and compatibility with teleconverters. If the R7 mkII does focus stacking with flash, and preferably exceeds 1/100s synch speed, and produces a 2x+ macro lens, compatible with teleconverters, then Canon would dominate macro photography.

 

[koenkooi]

I do hope this is true as it could mean that this camera would be capable of in camera focus stacking with flash. Previously, only the Olympus system was capable of this, but I believe the R5 mkII does it.

The R1, R3 and R5II support flash with ES currently. I hope the next RV model will support it as well, a tiny body with the ef-s60mm makes a great macro rig.

 

[Sporgon]

My wife has the most incredible ability to blink at the moment the picture is taken.
I couldn’t believe that she was involuntarily reacting to the noise of the mirror beginning to move, or the shutter dropping before opening on a mirrorless camera in mechanical shutter mode.
So I tried shooting in EFC mode, and also full EC. No blinking. Incredible.
However, I’d hate a camera with no mechanical shutter.

 

[navastronia]

I just hope we get haptic feedback -- isolated enough that there's no extra shake -- in the bodies of every camera w/o a mechanical shutter.

 

[navastronia]

My mother does the same thing. It's almost supernatural.

My wife has the most incredible ability to blink at the moment the picture is taken.
I couldn’t believe that she was involuntarily reacting to the noise of the mirror beginning to move, or the shutter dropping before opening on a mirrorless camera in mechanical shutter mode.

 

[EverydayPhotographer]

Losing the mechanical shutter seemed like an inevitability for a while now. But Canon took a pretty good leap forward somewhere recently. My RP and earlier cameras wouldn't let me shoot in full manual in "silent" mode, so that was the end of that. I experimented with the electronic shutter on my R10 after I got it long enough to decide I couldn't stand it because of the rolling shutter. When I got my R8 at the beginning of the year, I checked that out again, and found it to be far far better. If I'm getting rolling shutter, I can't tell - even when panning with a moving subject, etc. Frankly, I've never turned the manual second curtain shutter on. My RP had one of the only problems I've ever had with a Canon camera in three decades of shooting with them, and that was a failure of the shutter mechanism. So if capabilities of the electronic shutter make it unnecessary, I won't be sad to see it go.

 

[davidespinosa]

@Canon Rumors

Comments for the 100-300 rumor redirect to the current thread (R7 mark II mechanical shutter).

https://www.canonrumors.com/canon-rf-100-300mm-f-2-8l-is-usm-8549-reg-9499/

 

[Steve Balcombe]

I do hope this is true as it could mean that this camera would be capable of in camera focus stacking with flash. Previously, only the Olympus system was capable of this, but I believe the R5 mkII does it. However, to me personally, FF is not best suited for macro, because unless you crop a lot, you need a lot of extra magnification.

Two things made me switch* from Canon to Olympus - the poor sensor readout speed of the R7 was one, and the other was that the 150-400 and the 90 Macro are not matched by Canon, or indeed anyone else. A stacked BSI sensor, or some similar technology, would give us both focus stacking with flash and very low rolling shutter. These are two things I can no longer do without.

If the R7 mkII does focus bracketing with flash, then Canon needs a lens like the Olympus/OMD 90mm macro, 2x lens, which currently most top macro photographers in the world are using. It doesn't have to match the specifications, but it does need at least 2x magnification, and compatibility with teleconverters. If the R7 mkII does focus stacking with flash, and preferably exceeds 1/100s synch speed, and produces a 2x+ macro lens, compatible with teleconverters, then Canon would dominate macro photography.

I agree regarding the TC compatibility, but one very nice aspect of the Olympus TCs is that they are so much smaller than the Canon ones. It won't happen of course, but an RF-S 90/100 2x and a pair of dedicated TCs would be awesome. Oh and they would need to be weatherproof - Canon doesn't have a good track record for this in APS-C.

*I haven't totally switched - I still have the best of my Canon gear, but I've spent almost nothing on Canon since getting the OM-1 in 2022. An R7 Mark II with the sort of spec which is currently rumoured could change all that.

 

[Distinctly Average]

For me the rolling shutter on the R7 made it unusable in ES for many subjects, doubly so for pre-capture. It was just so u predictable. Shooting dragons in flight or small birds taking off I had to switch to EFCS. The R5II however has a fast enough readout that so far I have only used ES on it. I shot dragons in flight today with not a hint of warping. So if the R7II can match or better that then I will gladly see the back of the mechanical shutter. While I have the R5II, I would still prefer a crop body. The AF on the R7 was also inconsistent with some lenses, such as the RF200-800. That made it frustrating. The R5II rectified all that. Hopefully Canon can do this in the crop body.

 

[Distinctly Average]

I do hope this is true as it could mean that this camera would be capable of in camera focus stacking with flash. Previously, only the Olympus system was capable of this, but I believe the R5 mkII does it. However, to me personally, FF is not best suited for macro, because unless you crop a lot, you need a lot of extra magnification. If the R7 mkII does focus bracketing with flash, then Canon needs a lens like the Olympus/OMD 90mm macro, 2x lens, which currently most top macro photographers in the world are using. It doesn't have to match the specifications, but it does need at least 2x magnification, and compatibility with teleconverters. If the R7 mkII does focus stacking with flash, and preferably exceeds 1/100s synch speed, and produces a 2x+ macro lens, compatible with teleconverters, then Canon would dominate macro photography.

The R5II does it really well but as you say, a crop camera is the better option. That is what my R7 is now dedicated to as the slow readout is not an issue for macro, or so you would think. In fact it is if you want to do any stacking. This is because there is warping even with the very slightest of camera movement. So you use the in camera stacking of the R7 you cannot do it in ES without warping that handholding gives. So I leave the camera in ES for single frames and stacking in EFCS. I just have to find a decent flash now. I have quite a few including twin flashes and a number of AA battery based Canon flashes. But none can sustain a decent length burst needed for stacking. So I will be hunting next week for a decent Li-ion based one that does work. Any suggestions thankfully received.

I still have the EFS-60, MPE-65 and the RF100 Macro which is good with its 1.4x ability but not as good as the Oly 90mm. It is heavy too which is another reason I prefer a crop body. So mostly I use the 60mm.

It does seem like Canon are currently neglecting the macro user lens wise with only the one real option. Hopefully they will up their game over the next year or two. I also hope the R7II does live up to the rumours.