Canon officially announces the Canon EOS R5 Mark II

[candyman]

Does anyone know if the BG-R10 will be supported by R52?
I use it with my R6 and wouldn‘t want to buy a new one…

Yes it does. But it doesn't support all the features related to the new grip and does not support the new batteries.

EDIT:
From TDP: "The R5 II arives with a new battery grip, the Canon BG-R20. The Canon BG-R10 Battery Grip, the same grip used by the R5 and R6 II, is also compatible with the R5 II. However, the BG-R10 does not support 8K DCI, 8K UHD, RAW video, SRAW, and frame rates with Fine setting are not available. It does not support the fastest frame rates and is also not compatible with the new LP-E6P batteries.

The BG-R20 battery grip accepts up to two batteries, doubling the battery life in terms of shots per charge. At least as important for many is the vertical grip and the controls it provides, a substantial ergonomic advantage that makes vertical shooting considerably more comfortable."

 

[nihil.baxter]

thx for the find!

 

[Scenes]

For anyone with an R5 who wants more the R52 is a clear upgrade. If you have an R5C it’s a downgrade.

R52 4K 24/30 (non-Fine mode) 4k60, 4k120 and all 4K S-Raw modes are line-skipped. The R5C oversamples everything.

R52 They just added wave forms and false colour to the photo OS. It doesn’t have CineOS.

R52 has a higher capacity battery but we don’t yet know how long it lasts.

We know it overheats. PETA Pixel said 8K 24p gets 30 mins and with the $600 cooling grip it extends that time to 2hrs. The cooling grip also adds fan noise to nearby mics.

Lok said 4K fine overheats in 40 mins.

It has HDMI out and the LCD stays on when an external monitor is connected but unsure yet if you have granular cine OS style control about what resolution the output is and if it’s clean or has a hud.

Also unsure if you can output to HDMI and record internally which was a thing you couldn’t do on the R5?

It has no Digital Telecine like the R5C and C70 which I find immensely useful.

It has clog2 but no one has said how many stops of dynamic range and it’s not Netflix certified.

No dual base ISO on the R52. No timecode. No shutter angle.

I’m not saying the R52 isn’t a great camera but If you bought an R5C because you needed cinema features nothing has changed as far as I can see.

If you bought an R5C and constantly moaned because it didn’t have clog2 or IBIS then the R52 is the one for you.

 

[Scenes]

just exactly how long are you recording 4K60p for and why?

the R5C would have active cooling - so why are you complaining about using active cooling on the R5 Mark II?

It's unlimited with the cooling grip - use it.

It’s not unlimited. Lok said 4K fine overheats in 40mins PETA Pixel said 8K 24 gets 30mins before overheating and with the grip it’s 2hrs. That’s official Canon guidelines. So the grip adds roughly 4x to overheat limits and adds fan noise.

The R52 literally flashes text on screen that says fan noise may be picked up on microphone when you attach it.

There’s also the quality of the footage. 4K 24/30 (non-Fine mode) 4k60, 4k120 and all 4K S-Raw modes are line-skipped. The R5C oversamples everything. (Except 120)

The R5C can record indefinitely and has no fan noise. The R52 is a great upgrade to the R5 not the R5C.

 

[Richard CN]

It’s not unlimited. Lok said 4K fine overheats in 40mins PETA Pixel said 8K 24 gets 30mins before overheating and with the grip it’s 2hrs. That’s official Canon guidelines.

And there is a fan in the R5C as well.

But that's not the point anyways the R5 Mark II isn't geared primarily to replace the R5C - it's meant for hybrid shooters wanting the more compact SLR / Mirrorless formfactor. Of which the R5C is not.

 

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You tubers who have had hands on say one thing. Canon guidelines say another. Time will tell which is right.

 

[Richard CN]

You tubers who have had hands on say one thing. Canon guidelines say another. Time will tell which is right.

youtubers are looking for clicks and maybe didn't set the thermals to high internally.

There's a few that I know purposely nerfed the camera during thermal testing just because it's better for clicks.

 

[Scenes]

Here’s canon in a public interview saying the R5C line is NOT dead and the R52 does not replace it.

is the Canon R5C line of cameras dead now that the Canon R5II has been released?

youtu.be

 

[amorse]

Nina Bailey's R5II video

Thank you!

 

[koenkooi]

youtubers are looking for clicks and maybe didn't set the thermals to high internally.

There's a few that I know purposely nerfed the camera during thermal testing just because it's better for clicks.

For the specific example mentioned above, Loks figures match Canons numbers plus/minus a minute or two. And the Canon table you posted lacks the oversampled modes, so the answer to the "will it overheat?" question is a lot more complex

Meanwhile, my R8 overheated in photo mode today, on a fishing boat at sea in 24-ish degrees C. Direct sun exposure on a cloudless day is not good for black cameras with black lenses. I bet the R5II will be better than my R8, if we ignore oversampled 4k60

 

[YuengLinger]

do you wish that with or without the antigravity plating?

Every Mark xxx edition will improve on the past, but the Mark II is a significant step forward already.

Thanks for a little serving of snark with my morning coffee. Deep breath, big boy.

 

[Richard CN]

Thanks for a little serving of snark with my morning coffee. Deep breath, big boy.

Snark is free, my friend

 

[EOS 4 Life]

Agree. Thats the point here. Its not a "C" series Cinema Camera. Its got fantastic capabilities, It appears to have addressed the heat issues, and added unlimited recording (within reason) not present on the R5. You also get the Digic Accelerator, sticky AF, people priority, neural correction and upscaling. Stacked sensor, faster readout, CLOG2 and a full size HDMI port. If I didn't own a R5 C, I would have been in line myself. I may still get one. Like it, oh I do.

They did something weird though.
With the cooling grip it can run for two hours in 8K but only 1/2 hour in RAW.
There is not really much benefit over the R5 C if you shoot in RAW except if you want to shoot 8K 60 without external power.
Of course, it also has the new IBIS which seems flawless now.
The R5 II also seems to have far more dynamic range but we will have to see.

 

[EOS 4 Life]

we dont know what you mean. the fro is calling the R1 the R3 mark II.

Fro also said he is getting one.

 

[EOS 4 Life]

We know it overheats. PETA Pixel said 8K 24p gets 30 mins and with the $600 cooling grip it extends that time to 2hrs. The cooling grip also adds fan noise to nearby mics.

I have an R5 C.
It has fan noise as well.
The R5 II is not a downgrade.
It is an upgrade to a different camera.

 

[Richard CN]

They did something weird though.
With the cooling grip it can run for two hours in 8K but only 1/2 hour in RAW.
There is not really much benefit over the R5 C if you shoot in RAW except if you want to shoot 8K 60 without external power.
Of course, it also has the new IBIS which seems flawless now.
The R5 II also seems to have far more dynamic range but we will have to see.

maybe the heat generated by the CFe card? the bit rate aka writing rate to the card is pretty crazy with 8K raw.

 

[Richard CN]

For the specific example mentioned above, Loks figures match Canons numbers plus/minus a minute or two. And the Canon table you posted lacks the oversampled modes, so the answer to the "will it overheat?" question is a lot more complex

Meanwhile, my R8 overheated in photo mode today, on a fishing boat at sea in 24-ish degrees C. Direct sun exposure on a cloudless day is not good for black cameras with black lenses. I bet the R5II will be better than my R8, if we ignore oversampled 4k60

I saw a full chart somewhere, when i find it again, i have to create an article - just to watch the forums have fun with it.

 

[koenkooi]

I saw a full chart somewhere, when i find it again, i have to create an article - just to watch the forums have fun with it.

I'm waiting for the Canon subsidiaries to sort their shit out, every official spec page and pdf I've seen so far has multiple, impactful errors. And we'll very likely see 3 or 4 firmware updates in 2024, so everything will be in flux for a while

 

[roby17269]

Nina Bailey's R5II video

Thank you for the link.
I did get around to watch the video (it is long).
Frankly, it was interesting but she mostly went through the menus, but did not go much into things that would matter to me, such as any differences in DR and noise, how much better the AF is in situations that are not team sports.

 

[Del Paso]

Yes it does. But it doesn't support all the features related to the new grip and does not support the new batteries.

EDIT:
From TDP: "The R5 II arives with a new battery grip, the Canon BG-R20. The Canon BG-R10 Battery Grip, the same grip used by the R5 and R6 II, is also compatible with the R5 II. However, the BG-R10 does not support 8K DCI, 8K UHD, RAW video, SRAW, and frame rates with Fine setting are not available. It does not support the fastest frame rates and is also not compatible with the new LP-E6P batteries.

The BG-R20 battery grip accepts up to two batteries, doubling the battery life in terms of shots per charge. At least as important for many is the vertical grip and the controls it provides, a substantial ergonomic advantage that makes vertical shooting considerably more comfortable."

What I find hard to understand is the fact that, even though every former camera can use the LP-E6P, the BG-R10 supposedly cannot. Should it be true, then why?