Canon officially announces the Canon EOS R6 Mark II, Canon RF 135mm f/1.8L IS USM and Canon Speedlite EL-5
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US price = $2099. UK price = £2599 = $2911, at the bad exchange rate of today. Take off 20% for VAT= $2426. Difference = $327 = £292 more expensive here, that is 15.56%.
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Actually it is the Sony pricing that does not make much sense, their European price is much lower than the US price. They probably have not checked their exchange rates for a few years.
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What if the exchange rate changes? The dollar will not be worth more than the Euro forever. A strong dollar is not good for the US economy. A strong dollar means that production in the US is very expensive.
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You are clearly entitled to your opinion but I believe that cars are not a bad analogy. Shutter actuation lifespan is always quoted and second hand prices can be dictated by how close to needing a new shutter assembly which has a fixed cost. Think of it being similar to a battery pack in a hybrid car. What is not needed is regular maintenance to keep the warranty going.
The IBIS assembly is constantly moving and we are yet to see what the longevity is of them but so far so good. The other moving parts are diopter adjustment, card/battery doors, buttons/knobs etc. Things do go wrong. I have an underwater TTL convertor where the button fell off at the 12 month mark and it has been only used 4 times.
My old 7D had the glue around the top screen cover come loose after 6 months.
I am not sure that the "14 day no questions asked" policy exists outside of the US. It certainly doesn't in Australia. DOA (Dead on arrival) goods needs to be repaired or replaced or refunded.
Our consumer law is powerful. You do not need to sue the company as as the government department will intervene or take the company to court if needed.
Consumer guarantees cannot be negotiated or carved out by contracts. Companies must provide "acceptable quality" and this is dependent on the type of product or service and other conditions.
Warranties are actually in addition to consumer guarantees under law and can include refunds within certain timeframes and conditions.
Companies are fined if they mislead consumers in their marketing.
Companies must be clear in the total price
The goods must perform substantively to advertised purpose for a "reasonable time depending on the good or service" so the Apple phone 12 month warranty had to be extended to 2 years simply because they were being sold under 2 year commitment agreements by the telcos.
That said, Australia doesn't have a "lemon" law eg when a car has major failures from the beginning which is unfortunate
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We have in the UK the 14-day right to return goods bought on line. And some good retailers extend that to 30 days or so. See - https://www.gov.uk/accepting-returns-and-giving-refunds
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Actually, that is not correct and it assumes that the world follows the US which it doesn't.
Canon price watch doesn't exist outside of the US as far as I know
There may be manufacturer suggested retail price or RRP (recommended retail price) but (at least in Australia) they cannot dictate the price that a 3rd party company sells at.
They can and do offer post sale rebates in addition to any reseller pricing.
Resellers can price under cost if they want to, bundle in whatever they like as long as they are meeting the Australian Consumer Law.
Just doing a search on R5 in Australia for a google shopping page shows a range of prices from authorised Canon resellers from AUD5390 to AUD6000 to AUD6200 to AUD6400 which admittedly is much wider a range than normal here.
I got my RF70-200mm/2.8 on a 20% discount for instance and there are regular sales periods. Black Friday is an imported sales period from the US though!
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That is great but limited to ordering at a distance. Just another example of how different countries have different consumer laws.
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Canon appears to have global pricing in USD rather than Yen as far as I can see. The USD:GBP has been on a roller coaster of late from 0.73 1 year ago to 0.9. Canon UK may be doing a big currency hedge. The AUD:USD hasn't moved as much but the R6ii appears to be really out of step vs the R5 currently.
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Yes, Ibis world has this:
"Canon Australia Pty Limited is a foreign-owned private company, deriving revenue from importing, marketing and servicing business and personal equipment, as well as offering financing facilities to consumers. The company employs approximately 2,500 people, operates in Australia and New Zealand, and is administered from its head office in Macquarie Park, New South Wales.
Canon Australia Pty Limited is a wholly owned subsidiary of Japan-based imaging and optical product manufacturer, Canon Inc"
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OK it's bad in Oz, but it's a whole lot worse in the UK. We are ripped off by the Canon distributors, and have been for many years. Take it from me, the only way to resolve the problem is for people to turn en-masse to the grey market, and force the distributors to become more competitive. IMO, there's little if anything to be gained from buying through the official Canon distributor, unless you are a pro who needs CPS.
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Interesting, I would probably have used a neutral density filter. 1/16000 is an incredible shutter speed, it would really freeze action. Yes 1.2 and sunny days don't mix too well.
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Shutter counts do affect resale prices, but that's not what we were discussing. We were discussing how likely it is for a camera to break due to worn out parts. I think you overestimate the likelihood of "wear and tear" component failures. FWIW, I can relate my own experiences, i.e. a 5DS body that achieved over 250,000 actuations and was still going strong when I sold it a few months back. Likewise my 5DMkiv was in daily use for 2 years and has passed the 150K mark.
Yes, IBIS is a possible candidate for failure, but I've never heard of one failing. I did have the spring behind the "set" button on my 5DS loose its springiness, which made the camera a little harder to use, but this was after 3 years of heavy use, and included 2 occasions when the camera was accidentally(!) dropped from heights of about 1 metre onto hard road surfaces. So I maintain that the likelihood of anything wearing out on a modern Canon during the (1 year) distributor's warranty period is pretty remote. Yes, of course a few people will be unlucky and something can go wrong, but I'd rather save over £1000 on a hi end camera body by buying from the grey market. YMMV.
Consumer laws in the UK are equally powerful. The Consumer Contracts Regulations gives us a cancellation period that starts the moment we place the order and ends 14 days from the day we receive the goods. This is commonly referred to as the "cooling off period" during we are legally entitled to change our mind and return the goods for a full refund. In practice this means that we can play with the camera free of charge for a fortnight before we are committed to the purchase. We then have a further 14 days from the date we notify the retailer that we'd like to cancel the order, to return the goods to them (undamaged and with original packing, we pay the return postage).
In addition to this we have "fit for purpose" legislation, and a statutory right to have any item which develops a fault within 6 months to be repaired, replaced with an identical product if available, or issued a refund.
On top of that, some retailers offer a "no questions asked" return policy of up to 30 days.
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If a shutter failed at 20% of its rated lifespan or even 50%, I would put in a claim under warranty but I agree that Canon has been conservative in its ratings in the past and 500k for the R5 is impressive and comforting.
IBIS is still relatively new especially for full frame (bigger movements). Hopefully there won't be a spate of failures in the future.
Frankly, that is very generous! Amazing that you can effectively try before you finally commit your money. Do people abuse the system eg I need a spare R5 body for a wedding just in case and then return it within the policy period?
Does the UK have a refurbished pricing scheme similar to the US based on - what I assume is - the arbitrary returns within that period?
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