Canon USA: The R3 line will continue

[EOS 4 Life]

except those that purchased the R1. So I can't see them doing that, as that would basically outclass the R1 in every way.

People buying the R1 are not looking for 45 MP.

 

[EOS 4 Life]

A rebirth of the 1Ds line is about the only thing that makes sense to me , but historically speaking it does not make sense given the purpose of previous 3-series. I also agree with your comment that Canon could decide to kill it off. Moreover, if Canon decided to launch a 1Ds like camera why would they not just call it the R1s instead of the R3? The other alternative is Canon's first camera with a global sensor.

IMHO Canon will not arbitrarily launch an R1 S just to have one.
An R3 S could be used as a proving ground until it reaches 1 class levels of reliability.

 

[Yoms]

The R1 in a nutshell; the sensor is faster, you can shoot longer, the viewfinder is better, the eye control AF is another generational leap forward, the autofocus is better, and the autofocus features are vastly improved and class-leading. It is easy to see how Canon believes this is more than just a step up from the EOS R3

I think quite the opposite. This actually is the definition of a step up and not a new line. Aren't improved battery, AF and speed performances what we've always seen so far after each iteration of a new model within the same line-up?

Of course this is just my opinion, Canon doesn't care what I think, yada yada yada...

I'm not in the market for those square-shaped pro cameras. Still, I don't understand what Canon did here with the R1. I'm in no position to say that this was a good choice or not. Maybe it'll pay in the future. But I still fail to comprehend the logic here, especially if the R3 line is to continue.

 

[Jose Rubio Rodrigu]

si, yo habia pensado lo mismo.

Yo creo que Canon algún día, dara ese golpe no se cuando, pero tiene que saber lo que necesita el público de fotografía de fauna,(aves en concreto) que es muy amplio. solo hay que hacer números con las R7 vendidas y mirar si vale la pena.

 

[koenkooi]

SRAW of R5ii does 4k60 oversampling.

The test CVP did with the pre-production R5II showed SRAW at 4k60 having a lot less detail than 4k30 Fine. So if it is oversampled, it is using a much lower quality process compared to 4k Fine.

 

[PawelW]

I think R3 mk2 will be just better R1 but with some cripple hammer. Same EVF as Mark1 version (no great one from R1) but with upgraded AF (better than R1), CF + SD, smaller buffer, maybe 40fps or 60fps. Rather not 45mpix. But, who knows...hard to say what they will do. It should be available in November 2025.

 

[EOS 4 Life]

The test CVP did with the pre-production R5II showed SRAW at 4k60 having a lot less detail than 4k30 Fine. So if it is oversampled, it is using a much lower quality process compared to 4k Fine.

It does not.
Raw can't over sample.
It is a straight readout from the sensor.
It is just not reading every line.
How many lines it skips is the true question.

 

[Richard CN]

I think quite the opposite. This actually is the definition of a step up and not a new line. Aren't improved battery, AF and speed performances what we've always seen so far after each iteration of a new model within the same line-up?

Of course this is just my opinion, Canon doesn't care what I think, yada yada yada...

I'm not in the market for those square-shaped pro cameras. Still, I don't understand what Canon did here with the R1. I'm in no position to say that this was a good choice or not. Maybe it'll pay in the future. But I still fail to comprehend the logic here, especially if the R3 line is to continue.

You can literally say that any RF camera, that it is a step up from another RF model.

No need to understand really escept the R3 was never a 1 series camera. It's really that simple.

 

[OldDudePhotog]

Call me crazy (you wouldn't be the first), but I'll die on the hill that this would be a perfect place to stick a big megapickle sensor. The rebirth of the 1ds would be nice.

A cripple hammer of the R1 would be a tough sell over the R52 or even the 6 series, which will get some added speed for the Mark III. So would just sticking the R52 sensor in it.

The 3 series has no real heritage, they can do whatever they want with it. 5 and 1 are well defined.

Come at me!

I agree that this would be a good place for larger megapixels since they’re not gonna give it to us on the R1 which I still feel like is a mistake. I really would have loved to had 36 megapixels on the R1. I feel like they are one would’ve been absolutely perfect if they would have done this.

 

[EOS 4 Life]

You can literally say that any RF camera, that it is a step up from another RF model.

No need to understand really escept the R3 was never a 1 series camera. It's really that simple.

By the line of reasoning people are using the R10 is just an R50 mark II.

 

[EOS 4 Life]

I agree that this would be a good place for larger megapixels since they’re not gonna give it to us on the R1 which I still feel like is a mistake. I really would have loved to had 36 megapixels on the R1. I feel like they are one would’ve been absolutely perfect if they would have done this.

More megapixels is a problem for the target market.
That is why it would make more sense to increase megapixels in the R3 line.

 

[Gogo7]

My opinion is that R1 is Canon R3mark ii . Makes zero sense having two similar sport cameras with same megapixels and very similar features . Zero sense. Now if they had a version with 50Mp then there is a segmentation. But since they didn’t do that from the beginning it’s obvious that was not their thinking right from the get go. They are just responding to what people say and would’ve loved to see

 

[SnowMiku]

They could use an R3 II as an experimental version for a future R1 II and when Canon gets feedback they will know what the majority wants and doesn't want. If there is a market for both the R3 and R1 then why not?

But I do remember Canon talking about the M series, they said something like "we will continue to make them as long as there is demand" and we all know how that ended.

 

[scyrene]

A cripple hammer

I find it sad this term has become so entrenched on here that even the site admin is using it

 

[scyrene]

Fwiw I feel that if a successor kept its name then it wouldn't be radically different. I'm happy to be corrected, but I can't think of examples where a mark II wasn't broadly similar to the mark I in most respects. If it's substantially higher res then it gets an -s. Also to me, they called it the R3 because they expected it to be a one off.

 

[DBounce]

Does Canon honestly need two sports focused highly niche cameras both priced around the $6,000 mark? The two are already extremely close in specs… what would an R3Mk2 spec sheet look like? It would still need to be under the R1… but then what would be the point of upgrading? Worst still, why upgrade to an R3Mk2 when the R1 can be had for more or less the same price? IMO, Canon decided the fate of the R3 lineup when they aligned the R1 so close in performance, specs and price. There’s zero need for another $6000 sports camera. However, an R1C might have a place?

 

[Emyr Evans]

I find it sad this term has become so entrenched on here that even the site admin is using it

Kasey has a lot to answer for. Toneh is not too happy either!

 

[mpmark]

Call me crazy (you wouldn't be the first), but I'll die on the hill that this would be a perfect place to stick a big megapickle sensor. The rebirth of the 1ds would be nice.

A cripple hammer of the R1 would be a tough sell over the R52 or even the 6 series, which will get some added speed for the Mark III. So would just sticking the R52 sensor in it.

The 3 series has no real heritage, they can do whatever they want with it. 5 and 1 are well defined.

Come at me!

Exactly! I just don't understand why they don't make two separate models again, yes there is a market for sports shooters and their demand of no more than 24mp. But there also is a large number of people who want that canon full body and high MP.

They would sell so many with a high MP, same new AF and that gorgeous full body, fly off the shelves like hotcakes. Just make two! Geez is it that hard for them to see?

Canon had an opportunity, make the R1 a high MP camera and continue the R3 line for sports photographers with 24mp. I think they blew it.

 

[neuroanatomist]

I wonder what the Canon reps actually said and/or meant…the R3 will have a successor, or the R3 ‘line’ will continue (to be sold)? Could be the telephone game, misrepresentation (seeing a lot of that in this domain to drive views lately), could have been speculation/hope on the part of the reps.

I’m also reminded of Canon’s official statements regarding the M line. “It will continue.” What they didn’t say was there would be no new releases in the line, and it would continue…until it didn’t.

 

[neuroanatomist]

But there also is a large number of people who want that canon full body and high MP.

They would sell so many with a high MP, same new AF and that gorgeous full body, fly off the shelves like hotcakes.

How large a number of people? Do you know? Who is more likely to be able to estimate the real demand for a high MP, integrated grip body…you or Canon? That’s a rhetorical question, if you think the answer is you then you’re a fool.