CanonRumors' accuracy rate on the R5 Mark II was abysmal

[EricN]

When I read the title I misinterpreted it as being about canonrumors having a prerelease R5ii and the Autofocus accuracy being bad.

I think we're lucky there are any leaks/rumors at all.

 

[Canon Rumors]

The image posting part is less and less these days

I'd love to change that, I have started posting stuff. I'm not sure how to make that more active, we have no issue paying for more HD space.

We did a contest years ago, maybe that would help? Maybe featuring things on the blog side of things? Obviously the social media stuff is having an effect, but there must be lots of people that don't do Instagram and all of that, me being one of them.

We're open to any suggestions, because I love photography more than cameras, though I love cameras. I can't wait to add the R1 to the signature, but it's so far off, I'm not impatient yet, but that will come.

 

[meywd]

I'd love to change that, I have started posting stuff. I'm not sure how to make that more active, we have no issue paying for more HD space.

We did a contest years ago, maybe that would help? Maybe featuring things on the blog side of things? Obviously the social media stuff is having an effect, but there must be lots of people that don't do Instagram and all of that, me being one of them.

We're open to any suggestions, because I love photography more than cameras, though I love cameras. I can't wait to add the R1 to the signature, but it's so far off, I'm not impatient yet, but that will come.

I have been busy, also bad time management, for around 5 years, so I am not going out shooting much, and most of my photos are of my family, which I don't share, however, the signature has been updated, hopefully more is coming, but I am not that good, I need to set time to learn the AF.

 

[Sporgon]

I'd love to change that, I have started posting stuff. I'm not sure how to make that more active, we have no issue paying for more HD space.

We did a contest years ago, maybe that would help? Maybe featuring things on the blog side of things? Obviously the social media stuff is having an effect, but there must be lots of people that don't do Instagram and all of that, me being one of them.

We're open to any suggestions, because I love photography more than cameras, though I love cameras. I can't wait to add the R1 to the signature, but it's so far off, I'm not impatient yet, but that will come.

One issue that concerns me in uploading images to the site is that they can be downloaded by others. This means that any image that may have a value in the future, and so perhaps a good one, is only going to be uploaded at a tiny size, so in terms of making a technical / quality point they are pretty useless.

 

[neuroanatomist]

I follow Fuji, and own some Fuji equipment. The Fuji rumors site does seem to be really accurate, but reading between the lines there seems to be some very good inside sources. The gentleman there will not post a rumor until he is told it's okay to do so. There could be a strategy there I suppose.

I agree that Canon is far more tight lipped.

Generally speaking, companies aren’t stupid. If there are “good inside sources“ and Fuji wanted the accurate rumors to stop, they would identify the leaks and plug them. That was basically my point about the FR guy being fed information intentionally, it doesn’t have to mean someone in their marketing department is reaching out to him directly, it could just be passive permission from Fuji. Either way, if it’s that accurate and has been for some period of time, there is tacit approval by the company.

 

[Canon Rumors]

One issue that concerns me in uploading images to the site is that they can be downloaded by others. This means that any image that may have a value in the future, and so perhaps a good one, is only going to be uploaded at a tiny size, so in terms of making a technical / quality point they are pretty useless.

Images can be taken from anywhere. Most photos we have would never be worth money, if someone takes it and sticks it on their wall, I'm glad you liked it. I upload 1200px wide and 72dpi. Upscaling software may be able to do something with that, but whatever.

There's no money in stock, and if you happen to be doing gallery work, don't upload those images... upload the B stuff.

Most photography that makes money really wouldn't appear in most of the galleries we set up. Weddings and events being outliers, but you've already been paid for those images. Pro sports shooters have their images picked, whatever they have left... maybe they appear here.

 

[Canon Rumors]

Generally speaking, companies aren’t stupid. If there are “good inside sources“ and Fuji wanted the accurate rumors to stop, they would identify the leaks and plug them. That was basically my point about the FR guy being fed information intentionally, it doesn’t have to mean someone in their marketing department is reaching out to him directly, it could just be passive permission from Fuji. Either way, if it’s that accurate and has been for some period of time, there is tacit approval by the company.

Yep, I used to get things from Canon USA... it was definitely by design.

 

[t.linn]

I follow Fuji, and own some Fuji equipment. The Fuji rumors site does seem to be really accurate, but reading between the lines there seems to be some very good inside sources. The gentleman there will not post a rumor until he is told it's okay to do so. There could be a strategy there I suppose.

I agree that Canon is far more tight lipped.

I'm not disagreeing with what you've written, JohnC, but like CanonRumors, Patrick has to be careful about the timing of revealing his information because the timing itself could help identify the source. This doesn't mean his information isn't coming from inside Fujifilm, but it certainly supports the idea that Fujifilm itself has not sanctioned the rumors. (Though the most convincing argument in opposition to this idea is the fact that many of the rumors are not to the company's advantage to share.)

 

[JohnC]

Generally speaking, companies aren’t stupid. If there are “good inside sources“ and Fuji wanted the accurate rumors to stop, they would identify the leaks and plug them. That was basically my point about the FR guy being fed information intentionally, it doesn’t have to mean someone in their marketing department is reaching out to him directly, it could just be passive permission from Fuji. Either way, if it’s that accurate and has been for some period of time, there is tacit approval by the company.

That's my impression as well, I don't KNOW it, but it is logical.

 

[EricN]

I'd love to change that, I have started posting stuff. I'm not sure how to make that more active, we have no issue paying for more HD space.

We did a contest years ago, maybe that would help? Maybe featuring things on the blog side of things? Obviously the social media stuff is having an effect, but there must be lots of people that don't do Instagram and all of that, me being one of them.

We're open to any suggestions, because I love photography more than cameras, though I love cameras. I can't wait to add the R1 to the signature, but it's so far off, I'm not impatient yet, but that will come.

I think a weekly blog with whatever you, Richard or whoever writes it would be the best solution. Contests are good, but to do it often enough that interest would increase and stay increased doesn't seem practical.

 

[DhlcadR6]

R5ii's rumours are spot on for CR, it's R1 that's way off. However I don't care. CR reports are faster than DPR or any major camera gear news website. And much less Sony fanbois are essential.

 

[EricN]

Yep, I used to get things from Canon USA... it was definitely by design.

Do you have any guesses about why they stopped?

 

[meywd]

I think a weekly blog with whatever you, Richard or whoever writes it would be the best solution. Contests are good, but to do it often enough that interest would increase and stay increased doesn't seem practical.

I think reviews are a great source of traffic

 

[t.linn]

If you can't be an adult and realize that rumors are never a perfect science than I really don't know what to say to you.

Ouch.

Well, people pick and choose... some are just negative and feel that everything should come out beforehand. The core specifications have been correct for a couple of months. So I dunno what your beef is?

I think part of it is the constant grifting on YouTube and people there just running with whatever appears on this site and making up their own things and we take the hit, which is fine. You're just saying what has been said for 15+ years. There are two types of people in the world........

Retailers didn't get assets or pricing until about 18 hours before the official announcements, and that was true pretty much globally. Pricing wasn't nailed down until July 11 in the USA, the $3999 price was true, until it wasn't. Japan increased the cost to subsidiaries, maybe it's the Yen, maybe it was something else, who knows? A few regions didn't even know the pricing until they received the assets.

We couldn't share images from people that had hands-on. In most of those presentations between retailers and Canon reps, phones were taken. However, we did our best to describe things accurately, which we did. We broke down the cooling grip and how all of that was going to work well in advance.

The days of official spec list PDFs leaking a month in advance are gone. We have to talk to people, and sometimes people are incorrect, we no longer receive little tidbits from Canon themselves, 50% of the time, it's hearsay that we have to go on.

Announcement dates have been a constant struggle, but again, what's true today, may not be tomorrow. That is the current landscape with Canon.

But hey, at least Canon isn't going to create fake demand trying to be Leica.... I feel for the FR guy, they feed him and then screw him.

I can see that my post offended Richard and Craig. This was not my intention, but re-reading it, I can see why it did. I should have been more measured in my comments. Sorry, guys.

Craig, you make some good points. CR nailed the core specs. CR nailed the cooling system. CR nailed eye control. I wasn't giving you guys enough credit. I was frustrated because none of the rumored upgrades that made me think the R5 Mk II would be more than the typical Canon iterative least-we-can-get-away-with-and-still-sell-cameras upgrade materialized. My comment had nothing to do with a lack of rumors, or changing release dates, or last-minute price bumps (though the latter really pisses me off). That's stuff CR can't control.

As for FujiRumors, everyone seems to want to minimize what he has been able to do. Patrick is a school teacher living in a small town on the edge of the Dolomites in Italy. For many years, he tried very hard to conceal his identity. He may have sources within Fujifilm, but there is no way that Fujifilm Japan plucked him out of obscurity and decided he would be would the witting or unwitting conduit for their marketing department. I don't say that because it is impossible that this could happen. I say it because of some of the things he posts.

Finally, I'm not sure how to interpret your last point where you mention "fake demand trying to be Leica" and "feed him and screw him". I haven't followed FujiRumors closely for the last several years. I will say that what Fujifilm has been able to do with their X System and GFX System in just over a decade is enviable. Generally speaking, the products are great. While I don't regret coming back to Canon, there are many things I miss about Fujifilm's OS, which is more sophisticated in some respects than Canon's.

Cheers.

 

[EricN]

I think reviews are a great source of traffic

Especially when I don't think a week goes by that someone doesn't pose a species I never knew existed, let alone all the wonderful photos.