Here are the first images and specifications of the Canon EOS R and the new RF mount lenses

[BeenThere]

...and because it uses the same batteries + same speedlites + (with an adaptor) the same lenses as the SLR on their other shoulder.

But I feel those will be early adopter pros. Many pros will hold out for a stouter grip + two cards (if we only get one) + the 5-series control wheel and more spacious button layout around the grip.

- A

+ $2k in price.

 

[ahsanford]

Yes, I was thinking that too. I wonder how this would compare, overall, with the new 35mm 1.8 in terms of compactness. While I like the 40, I would like it even more if it were 1.8 ! The macro part doesn't hurt either!

My 35 f/2 IS gets used 10x as often as the 40 f/2.8 STM pancake. Yes, it's bigger, but it's a stop faster, has IS, has ring USM speed, has mechanical manual, is internal focusing, takes common filter size, has a solid/fast hood attachment, etc.

Now, offer an f/2 pancake like EF-M has and the debate goes from no-brainer for the 35 IS to a slightly less clear choice.

- A

 

[ahsanford]

IMO, there are Fuji's that are close.

...to you. Others want a svelte concept car. Some love the orthogonal weaponry precision Leica aesthetic. Others love the 80s mojo of the Olympus rigs.

The point: until one style is clearly the winner, Canon won't dare dabble in subjective worlds. This is not what Canon does.

- A

 

[Kit.]

Also, a 5D4 resolution sensor dropping into a $2k body may be wishful thinking.

May be. Or maybe in 2 more years this sensor ends up in Rebel-priced cameras (and Fuji would be selling a $2k medium format body).

 

[ahsanford]

Looks quite beautiful to me.

If you find the Canon SLR design aesthetic beautiful, then yes, this is the cute little baby of that.

I tend to see ergonomics / function / thoughtfulness in Canon's design language rather than some attraction to some sexy piece of kit. So something that looks like it belongs with other Canon gear reassures me the ergonomics were not fouled up with this one. (Does that make any sense?)

- A

 

[ahsanford]

What purpose would it serve?

Is the EVF really WYSIWYG at all times? The lens needs to use a different aperture to focus than (say) the f/11 you've got your shot composed with, right?

(Never used a mirrorless rig for more than 5 minutes in a store -- please correct me if I've misunderstood)

- A

 

[3kramd5]

Is the EVF really WYSIWYG at all times? The lens needs to use a different aperture to focus than (say) the f/11 you've got your shot composed with, right?

(Never used a mirrorless rig for more than 5 minutes in a store -- please correct me if I've misunderstood)

- A

There is a stop down for focus which occurs with some Sony lenses before the CDAF step. Similarly canon lenses focus wide open for PDAF. Either way it happens momentarily and doesn’t really affect composition.

 

[ahsanford]

They took the sensor from the 80D and put it into the 200D, so I don‘t see why they shouldn‘t put the 5D mk IV sensor into another FF camera that costs less. Much more cost efficient than producing a whole new sensor.

They could, but many here believe that this is $2k camera, and putting a $3k+ camera's sensor into a $2k price point would have a lot of people blow off the 6D2 (or even the 5D4 itself) in favor of this better sensor. Canon typically doesn't eat itself that way like other companies do, esp. with FF sensors.

There are crafty ways Canon could do put the 5D4 sensor into a cheaper camera, like nerfing some features, leaving key things out, etc. but they also could price it higher to level the demand and protect other lines.

- A

 

[ahsanford]

28-70 f/2, quiet, discreet? Sounds like a good start for a wedding camera. Now if the b*gger thing will sync a flash to 1/1000 I might be willing to part with my 200-400 for one of these and a 100-400.

Jim

Can't really do that without a leaf shutter lens, can you? For most mortals, those are only found in fixed lens cameras and medium format.

Expect a 1/160 - 1/250 sort of sync like most SLRs.

- A

 

[fullstop]

Isn't that just the back end of the lens?

either way. that silver extension tube between "lens body" and camera looks very weird.

 

[hmatthes]

Is the EVF really WYSIWYG at all times? The lens needs to use a different aperture to focus than (say) the f/11 you've got your shot composed with, right?

(Never used a mirrorless rig for more than 5 minutes in a store -- please correct me if I've misunderstood)

- A

My Leica Q stops down upon focus attainment. Then I might turn lens’ aperature if necessary.

 

[ahsanford]

May be. Or maybe in 2 more years this sensor ends up in Rebel-priced cameras (and Fuji would be selling a $2k medium format body).

Canon's still at 50% of global ILC units and sensor production prices aren't plummeting precipitously. the idea that Canon needs to go to the mattresses and Sony-up their spec-per-dollar value proposition lacks data to back it up.

I'd love it, too, but it's wishful thinking until Canon actually starts losing share. They will not rethink their gameplan while they are actively curb-stomping their foes in the market right now.

- A

 

[3kramd5]

either way. that silver extension tube between "lens body" and camera looks very weird.

Shrug, someone thought it looked good to have bare metal rather than finish towards the mount. It’s even more pronounced on the 35 (or maybe just looks so relatively).

 

[Famateur]

So. Adam.

I don't want to fuel high hopes just to have them dashed...but...

That sure looks like a second switch disrupting the otherwise smooth profile on the RF 50 F1.2L. What else could it be than an IS switch?

If it truly is a 50MM F1.2L IS USM...

Does that change your contentment with the 5DIII?
Do you start crafting a plan to acquire the EOS R?
Do you still wait for the rumored second FF MILC body and choose between it and a possible 5DV?

I've got no interest, personally, in a prime lens (for now), but for your sake, I sure hope that really is an IS switch!

 

[ahsanford]

either way. that silver extension tube between "lens body" and camera looks very weird.

There are two silver tubes I think -- one on the lens and one on the mount. Together, they kinda look like the 'lens tube' at the base of all Sony GM lenses.

I've riffed on a clever reason Canon may be doing that, but I'm not a lens design person and it's just conjecture. I'd like someone with some better lens design acumen to dissect that for me.

- A

 

[bhf3737]

The rumors were sub-$2K, so I’m hoping that number holds true.

I think the price point may still be correct because it will be announced togehther with two "unique" lenses (RF 50mm f/1.2L USM and RF 28-70mm f/2L USM which are going to be pricey), therefore:
1) Those enthusiasts on budget, could possibly afford if it is at 2K max price range.
2) Those who want one or both of the unique lenses for work (wedding, etc.) will need to buy the camera, too, because you cannot mount them on DSLRs.
3) Those on GAS will definitely get both camera and lenses.
So at the end of the day, lots of camera and lenses will be sold. Higher price point for the camera itself may alienate the first group only.

 

[nchoh]

Yes, or you can customise it to do other things. Probably the same function ring as on the EF R adapter as well.

Samsungs used to have the extra ring as a dial.

 

[Alino]

The upper panel show 1/8000 at F/4? ...........................No way !!!!!

 

[ritholtz]

Did anyone notice the lack of DoF preview button?

Do we need dof button with live view showing exact picture. Not sure if lens are wide open during focusing as in pdaf.

 

[Kit.]

They could, but many here believe that this is $2k camera, and putting a $3k+ camera's sensor into a $2k price point would have a lot of people blow off the 6D2 (or even the 5D4 itself) in favor of this better sensor. Canon typically doesn't eat itself that way like other companies do, esp. with FF sensors.

If I were Canon, I would prefer to start testing new approach with releasing an "enthusiast" camera, and then release "pro" and "consumer" versions half a year to a year later.

"Enthusiast" camera is about $2500 MSRP.

There are crafty ways Canon could do put the 5D4 sensor into a cheaper camera, like nerfing some features, leaving key things out, etc. but they also could price it higher to level the demand and protect other lines.

This particular camera seems to be nerfed in its button layout. I hope a bigger body follows.

Canon's still at 50% of global ILC units and sensor production prices aren't plummeting precipitously. the idea that Canon needs to go to the mattresses and Sony-up their spec-per-dollar value proposition lacks data to back it up.

I don't hear new rumors about my G7X III, and it probably means that non-ILC market is shrinking faster than expected.