Predictions on What to Expect From Canon in 2016

[privatebydesign]

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I am very happy with my 50 f1.4, the focus is fast, consistent and very accurate, sharpness is good 1.4-2 and better as you close down. Mine is over ten years old ...

Mine is of similar vintage. Want to trade?

Why would I want to do that? You have stated yours is defective and I know mine isn't.........

Actually I was looking at CPW tonight and thinking that 50 1.2 L for $1099 looks interesting enough to try, but then I realised it is just me thinking the grass is always greener and it might give me an edge, but I know from having used various 1.2's over the years it isn't that different, certainly content will trump the differences pretty much every time.

 

[whothafunk]

One thing I'm really puzzled about is.. has it ever happened, or maybe, does it even make sense for Canon to release 4 (non consumer/non basic) bodies in a single year? I don't believe it will happen, especially with the 6D2. Even though 2016 is time for 80D to appear, it just doesn't feel right for Canon to roll out almost everything they ought to just because it's "time".

 

[Luds34]

One thing I'm really puzzled about is.. has it ever happened, or maybe, does it even make sense for Canon to release 4 (non consumer/non basic) bodies in a single year? I don't believe it will happen, especially with the 6D2. Even though 2016 is time for 80D to appear, it just doesn't feel right for Canon to roll out almost everything they ought to just because it's "time".

Market dynamics and competition can be a strong driving force. And the closer you get to the consumer end of the spectrum often quicker, marketing driven, release a shiny new object, product cycles occur. Anyone remember the revolutionary leap the T5i was over the T4i?

With the 6D, it is getting a little long in the tooth. And on paper, it's 11 point autofocus system is just laughable today (outside points nearly worthless). If you look at the competition and all the cameras that have been released since that time, it is really a different landscape.

 

[RickWagoner]

You see birders like this on the locks of the Mississippi for Eagles. But not a lot of people have that kind of money for two setups, two very costly setups.

I am just curious, where on the Mississippi you shoot. Around here (Illinois) I haven't found a good spot where you can get close enough with a 400mm lens. Any recommendations? I'm willing to travel.

For a one all around SLR the 7d2 is just to niche, the 70D will take better portraits and landscape sadly (i compared both many times over)

I'm trying to make sense of this. What is it about the 70D that you feel makes for better portraits and landscape?

Also one thing every birder has done in the field is snap a pic of the SLR screen to share the bird they caught with friends...It may seem silly and small but it is something every birder does.

Every birder? I never have. I've never seen anyone doing so while birding in popular local spots over the years.

I'm just going to take a stab in the dark here, but generally bitter sarcasm does not foster a great deal of camaraderie.

on the locks when the Eagles come down in January and February. The army corps of Engineers keep counts updates so you know what you're to expect. Join a birder illinois Facebook page and they will point you to the best lock for action. I hit a few of the locks last year and 14 was fun as the Eagles perch right above your car in the parking lot. Lots of great flying shots can be had easily and there was a few people throwing fish out to the Eagles there. Lock 15 had less people and more Eagles and even though you were not as close to them you had awesome chances of Eagles fighting in air shots. Word on the streets is the experienced people stay away from Lock 14 because too many people there, I am sure there are much better spots along the Mississippi as when the Eagles are there they're all over the place! They're as common as house sparrows outside our home now to give you an idea of the numbers along the Mississippi.

 

[RickWagoner]

...Also one thing every birder has done in the field is snap a pic of the SLR screen to share the bird they caught with friends, D750 has nfc and wifi so no more of that. It may seem silly and small but it is something every birder does.

....... and the niche greatness of the 7d2 at $1400 seams silly compared to a D750 or worse yet a 70D. For a one all around SLR the 7d2 is just to niche, the 70D will take better portraits and landscape ........

Not every; I am another birder who has never, yes never, "shared a photo" in the field.

I sold my 70D when the 7DII came out. Apart from the superior frame rate and much better AF of the 7DII, it has has single-point spot AF, with a significantly smaller spot than the single-point AF of the 70D. If you are trying to focus on a small passerine in the packed branches of a tree or a small passerine against a distant but bold background, the spot AF makes all the difference to the AF locking on to the bird and not the background. The 7DII is a better camera than the 70D for birding.

i am not saying the 70D is a better camera for birding. I am saying when the 7d2 came out at its price it was paced by from people going D750 for slightly more or people buying the 70D at a much lower price for people on the budget getting the very same sensor performance in regards to real iso. Some birders like spot af, some don't care for it. I would use it myself if the camera had it but if it did not i would not lose sleep. 70D was dumbed down for beginners as we know on purpose.

 

[Don Haines]

...Also one thing every birder has done in the field is snap a pic of the SLR screen to share the bird they caught with friends, D750 has nfc and wifi so no more of that. It may seem silly and small but it is something every birder does.

....... and the niche greatness of the 7d2 at $1400 seams silly compared to a D750 or worse yet a 70D. For a one all around SLR the 7d2 is just to niche, the 70D will take better portraits and landscape ........

Not every; I am another birder who has never, yes never, "shared a photo" in the field.

I sold my 70D when the 7DII came out. Apart from the superior frame rate and much better AF of the 7DII, it has has single-point spot AF, with a significantly smaller spot than the single-point AF of the 70D. If you are trying to focus on a small passerine in the packed branches of a tree or a small passerine against a distant but bold background, the spot AF makes all the difference to the AF locking on to the bird and not the background. The 7DII is a better camera than the 70D for birding.

i am not saying the 70D is a better camera for birding. I am saying when the 7d2 came out at its price it was paced by from people going D750 for slightly more or people buying the 70D at a much lower price for people on the budget getting the very same sensor performance in regards to real iso. Some birders like spot af, some don't care for it. I would use it myself if the camera had it but if it did not i would not lose sleep. 70D was dumbed down for beginners as we know on purpose.

The 7D2 is the better camera, but the 70D is certainly better "bang for the buck"..... and as a 7D2 owner, I wish I had the ability to remote control the camera from my phone....

 

[gsealy]

Have no idea the worth of this one --

It was stated on a YT video that the 1Dx II will have 4K up to 60 FPS, 4:2:2, 10 Bit with internal storage to the two CFast 2 cards. It will also have clean HDMI out for external recording. There was not any info on the AF, although DPAF or the latest version of it would be great.

 

[RickWagoner]

...Also one thing every birder has done in the field is snap a pic of the SLR screen to share the bird they caught with friends, D750 has nfc and wifi so no more of that. It may seem silly and small but it is something every birder does.

....... and the niche greatness of the 7d2 at $1400 seams silly compared to a D750 or worse yet a 70D. For a one all around SLR the 7d2 is just to niche, the 70D will take better portraits and landscape ........

Not every; I am another birder who has never, yes never, "shared a photo" in the field.

I sold my 70D when the 7DII came out. Apart from the superior frame rate and much better AF of the 7DII, it has has single-point spot AF, with a significantly smaller spot than the single-point AF of the 70D. If you are trying to focus on a small passerine in the packed branches of a tree or a small passerine against a distant but bold background, the spot AF makes all the difference to the AF locking on to the bird and not the background. The 7DII is a better camera than the 70D for birding.

i am not saying the 70D is a better camera for birding. I am saying when the 7d2 came out at its price it was paced by from people going D750 for slightly more or people buying the 70D at a much lower price for people on the budget getting the very same sensor performance in regards to real iso. Some birders like spot af, some don't care for it. I would use it myself if the camera had it but if it did not i would not lose sleep. 70D was dumbed down for beginners as we know on purpose.

The 7D2 is the better camera, but the 70D is certainly better "bang for the buck"..... and as a 7D2 owner, I wish I had the ability to remote control the camera from my phone....

I don't think there is such a thing as a better camera personally, they're just tools, different but both great tools. To someone who is a beginner and into video and would use the flippy screen and touch to focus they would say the 70D is better. Also the pairing with the kit 55-250stm is an amazing optic for the price (though to today you can buy a refurb for 150$ by itself but back then you had to do a 70d kit). I have tried the 7d2 multiple times and i own a 70D myself. Back then when i bought the 7d2 was a very different price as it is now and that was a huge factor. I would not say no to a 7d2 in my bag at the price it is now so to me it is a great camera (a beast of a crop body) but then again i think the 7d1 and even 60D are great shooters. It puzzles me why the price of the 7d2 is $1k today? Wonder if Canon has something up its sleeve or they're not selling as well as they hoped? WIFI control opens up a new world of using the camera you never would of thought before. One day this past spring I seen a Titmouse building a nest just off the trail, they would come in with a branch then leave to get another one and repeat. I had a 40 pancake in my pocket so i put that on the 70D, turned on wifi, placed the camera close to the nest spot when the birds were gone, and stood back 20 feet and shot them coming in with the twigs from my phone control. None of the pictures turned out great (my fault) but it was so much fun and on the spot idea just by having wifi control i never would of done without. I know a birder who put a D750 on a remote control toy car and drove it up to some geese for close up shots using wifi phone control. He was an older gentleman telling me this story with a smile on his face like a kid...haha

 

[Don Haines]

...Also one thing every birder has done in the field is snap a pic of the SLR screen to share the bird they caught with friends, D750 has nfc and wifi so no more of that. It may seem silly and small but it is something every birder does.

....... and the niche greatness of the 7d2 at $1400 seams silly compared to a D750 or worse yet a 70D. For a one all around SLR the 7d2 is just to niche, the 70D will take better portraits and landscape ........

Not every; I am another birder who has never, yes never, "shared a photo" in the field.

I sold my 70D when the 7DII came out. Apart from the superior frame rate and much better AF of the 7DII, it has has single-point spot AF, with a significantly smaller spot than the single-point AF of the 70D. If you are trying to focus on a small passerine in the packed branches of a tree or a small passerine against a distant but bold background, the spot AF makes all the difference to the AF locking on to the bird and not the background. The 7DII is a better camera than the 70D for birding.

i am not saying the 70D is a better camera for birding. I am saying when the 7d2 came out at its price it was paced by from people going D750 for slightly more or people buying the 70D at a much lower price for people on the budget getting the very same sensor performance in regards to real iso. Some birders like spot af, some don't care for it. I would use it myself if the camera had it but if it did not i would not lose sleep. 70D was dumbed down for beginners as we know on purpose.

The 7D2 is the better camera, but the 70D is certainly better "bang for the buck"..... and as a 7D2 owner, I wish I had the ability to remote control the camera from my phone....

I don't think there is such a thing as a better camera personally, they're just tools, different but both great tools. To someone who is a beginner and into video and would use the flippy screen and touch to focus they would say the 70D is better. Also the pairing with the kit 55-250stm is an amazing optic for the price (though to today you can buy a refurb for 150$ by itself but back then you had to do a 70d kit). I have tried the 7d2 multiple times and i own a 70D myself. Back then when i bought the 7d2 was a very different price as it is now and that was a huge factor. I would not say no to a 7d2 in my bag at the price it is now so to me it is a great camera (a beast of a crop body) but then again i think the 7d1 and even 60D are great shooters. It puzzles me why the price of the 7d2 is $1k today? Wonder if Canon has something up its sleeve or they're not selling as well as they hoped? WIFI control opens up a new world of using the camera you never would of thought before. One day this past spring I seen a Titmouse building a nest just off the trail, they would come in with a branch then leave to get another one and repeat. I had a 40 pancake in my pocket so i put that on the 70D, turned on wifi, placed the camera close to the nest spot when the birds were gone, and stood back 20 feet and shot them coming in with the twigs from my phone control. None of the pictures turned out great (my fault) but it was so much fun and on the spot idea just by having wifi control i never would of done without. I know a birder who put a D750 on a remote control toy car and drove it up to some geese for close up shots using wifi phone control. He was an older gentleman telling me this story with a smile on his face like a kid...haha

I think that in general, the 7D2 is better, but you are right about it missing some very nice features that the 70D has, like tilt/swivel screen, WiFi, video zoom mode, etc.... ultimately, it comes down to the right tool for your job at a price you can afford..... I have had great success with my P/S in front of the bird feeder using WiFi to capture images.... I can't understand how they could have decided to leave that out on the 7D2.....

 

[unfocused]

...on the locks when the Eagles come down in January and February...I hit a few of the locks last year and 14 was fun as the Eagles perch right above your car in the parking lot. Lots of great flying shots can be had easily and there was a few people throwing fish out to the Eagles there. Lock 15 had less people and more Eagles and even though you were not as close to them you had awesome chances of Eagles fighting in air shots.

Thanks! We've been to the Lock and Dam at Starved Rock (on the Illinois River). Hundreds of eagles, but unfortunately the access is not great. They perch in the trees on an island maintained by the Audubon Society and then fish in the locks, but the viewing areas are really too far away for photography (or at least I've never been able to find a good access point). Same with the Alton locks -- we've been down there to see the Trumpeter Swans (may do that again this week). But for eagles the locks are not very accessible (again, as near as I could tell). Looking for somewhere we can get closer. We will have to try the Quad Cities area.

 

[Jack Douglas]

Given the choice of enjoying – and participating in – the humor, or sucking lemons...

I'll choose humor every time. But I certainly don't begrudge anyone who chooses to be a sourpuss. ;D

I like lemons and it's high time this lemon bashing stopped!

Jack

 

[Jack Douglas]

...Also one thing every birder has done in the field is snap a pic of the SLR screen to share the bird they caught with friends, D750 has nfc and wifi so no more of that. It may seem silly and small but it is something every birder does.

....... and the niche greatness of the 7d2 at $1400 seams silly compared to a D750 or worse yet a 70D. For a one all around SLR the 7d2 is just to niche, the 70D will take better portraits and landscape ........

Not every; I am another birder who has never, yes never, "shared a photo" in the field.

I sold my 70D when the 7DII came out. Apart from the superior frame rate and much better AF of the 7DII, it has has single-point spot AF, with a significantly smaller spot than the single-point AF of the 70D. If you are trying to focus on a small passerine in the packed branches of a tree or a small passerine against a distant but bold background, the spot AF makes all the difference to the AF locking on to the bird and not the background. The 7DII is a better camera than the 70D for birding.

i am not saying the 70D is a better camera for birding. I am saying when the 7d2 came out at its price it was paced by from people going D750 for slightly more or people buying the 70D at a much lower price for people on the budget getting the very same sensor performance in regards to real iso. Some birders like spot af, some don't care for it. I would use it myself if the camera had it but if it did not i would not lose sleep. 70D was dumbed down for beginners as we know on purpose.

I think most birders use binoculars and probably many of them don't do that much photography (just a guess). To say bird photographers don't need/use spot focus a lot is indeed a very challenging statement based on my three years of DSLR photography shooting mostly birds (not an expert, for sure). Of my say 30 000 shots maybe a handful have not been spot focus and even then they probably were spot focus with expansion for BIF.

Thankfully, we live in countries of the world where you can say pretty well anything you please, but people do read and reflect on the veracity of the content.

Jack

 

[Don Haines]

...Also one thing every birder has done in the field is snap a pic of the SLR screen to share the bird they caught with friends, D750 has nfc and wifi so no more of that. It may seem silly and small but it is something every birder does.

....... and the niche greatness of the 7d2 at $1400 seams silly compared to a D750 or worse yet a 70D. For a one all around SLR the 7d2 is just to niche, the 70D will take better portraits and landscape ........

Not every; I am another birder who has never, yes never, "shared a photo" in the field.

I sold my 70D when the 7DII came out. Apart from the superior frame rate and much better AF of the 7DII, it has has single-point spot AF, with a significantly smaller spot than the single-point AF of the 70D. If you are trying to focus on a small passerine in the packed branches of a tree or a small passerine against a distant but bold background, the spot AF makes all the difference to the AF locking on to the bird and not the background. The 7DII is a better camera than the 70D for birding.

i am not saying the 70D is a better camera for birding. I am saying when the 7d2 came out at its price it was paced by from people going D750 for slightly more or people buying the 70D at a much lower price for people on the budget getting the very same sensor performance in regards to real iso. Some birders like spot af, some don't care for it. I would use it myself if the camera had it but if it did not i would not lose sleep. 70D was dumbed down for beginners as we know on purpose.

I think most birders use binoculars and probably many of them don't do that much photography (just a guess). To say bird photographers don't need/use spot focus a lot is indeed a very challenging statement based on my three years of DSLR photography shooting mostly birds (not an expert, for sure). Of my say 30 000 shots maybe a handful have not been spot focus and even then they probably were spot focus with expansion for BIF.

Thankfully, we live in countries of the world where you can say pretty well anything you please, but people do read and reflect on the veracity of the content.

Jack

I think most birders use spotting scopes.... I have seen some amazing pictures taken by phones through a spotting scope.... it's like having a 2000mm lens on your iPhone

 

[Tugela]

All cameras with a Digic 7 processor will have the capability of shooting 4K video. So, if all of these cameras are projected to include a Digic 7, then all of them will shoot 4K.

 

[Tugela]

...on the locks when the Eagles come down in January and February...I hit a few of the locks last year and 14 was fun as the Eagles perch right above your car in the parking lot. Lots of great flying shots can be had easily and there was a few people throwing fish out to the Eagles there. Lock 15 had less people and more Eagles and even though you were not as close to them you had awesome chances of Eagles fighting in air shots.

Thanks! We've been to the Lock and Dam at Starved Rock (on the Illinois River). Hundreds of eagles, but unfortunately the access is not great. They perch in the trees on an island maintained by the Audubon Society and then fish in the locks, but the viewing areas are really too far away for photography (or at least I've never been able to find a good access point). Same with the Alton locks -- we've been down there to see the Trumpeter Swans (may do that again this week). But for eagles the locks are not very accessible (again, as near as I could tell). Looking for somewhere we can get closer. We will have to try the Quad Cities area.

Use a superzoom, such as the Nikon P900. That has an equivalent focal length of 2000mm.

 

[rs]

All cameras with a Digic 7 processor will have the capability of shooting 4K video. So, if all of these cameras are projected to include a Digic 7, then all of them will shoot 4K.

It's more than just processing power. The storage/card slots need to be up to speed, not to mention the sensor read out speed and heat dissipation capability. And thats without even mentioning the marketing department.

 

[neuroanatomist]

All cameras with a Digic 7 processor will have the capability of shooting 4K video. So, if all of these cameras are projected to include a Digic 7, then all of them will shoot 4K.

Dual Digic 5+ gives the capability to shoot 4K video, so by your logic cameras with Dual Digic 5+ or the faster Dual Digic 6 should shoot 4K. The fact that only one of the five cameras with those processors actually does shoot 4K indicated that your logic is flawed.

 

[Tugela]

All cameras with a Digic 7 processor will have the capability of shooting 4K video. So, if all of these cameras are projected to include a Digic 7, then all of them will shoot 4K.

Dual Digic 5+ gives the capability to shoot 4K video, so by your logic cameras with Dual Digic 5+ or the faster Dual Digic 6 should shoot 4K. The fact that only one of the five cameras with those processors actually does shoot 4K indicated that your logic is flawed.

The Digic 7 is the stills equivalent of the Digic DV5, in other words it will have a 4K encoder BUILT INTO the processor. The XC10 can shoot 4K without having thermal issues, so the same will apply to every other camera that uses the Digic 7/DV5 processor family.

Digic 5 processors DO NOT have a hardware encoder for 4K, it is done in software only. Neither does Digic 6. Digic 6 (and the corresponding Digic DV4) introduced 60p HD, and that is what it's hardware encoder does. If any camera containing those processors does 4K, it is done in firmware, not hardware, and that is why you needed multiple processors to handle the load and large bodies to fit into the thermal envelope.

If you look at the entire history of Digic processors, where a particular video format is implemented in hardware for that particular processor, the format is available for all cameras that have the processor.

But hey, let us completely ignore Canon's entire history with Digic, and pretend that something else will happen.

If these cameras have Digic 7, they will be able to shoot 4K as well. Perhaps not great 4K, but they will be able to do it.

 

[Tugela]

All cameras with a Digic 7 processor will have the capability of shooting 4K video. So, if all of these cameras are projected to include a Digic 7, then all of them will shoot 4K.

It's more than just processing power. The storage/card slots need to be up to speed, not to mention the sensor read out speed and heat dissipation capability. And thats without even mentioning the marketing department.

SDXC UHSII cards are pretty fast. Any camera with a modern slot interface will have no issues with the data rates involved.

The XC10 can do 4K, is roughly the size of your typical DSLR, and it has a single processor. So, obviously Canon have already solved the read out speed and thermal envelope issues.

 

[Sabaki]

I would love to see a modernized, RT macro flash system that features reduced weight and ease of diffusion without the need to engineer one's own solution.

I'm thinking something new with the flash heads. I'm sure it can be done