Stock Notice: Canon EOS R5 Mark II at B&H Photo

[Ron H]

Europe gets nothing while it’s in stock every other day at BH. Seems like Canon didn’t know how to ship anything elsewhere.

In the supplemental information link on Page 13 of the current PDF manual. In the subject on allowed camera in countries the R5 Mark II, model DS126918 is only allowed in Canada and the USA or North America. Model DS126619 seems to be allowed in the EU judging by the countries allowed. This seems to be based on the electronic emmissions of WiFi and Bluetooth. There may be more reasons but that's a start in the desparity of allocations. Canon ade a decision on the production runs.

EDIT: Canon may be having problems getting EU approved transmitters and receiver parts also making it a parts availability problem.

 

[Del Paso]

The 1 stars are always fun to read. I liked the battery one, that was a well reported topic.

Though I do think there is a lot of firmware work to do. Which disappoints me. It seems Canon needs to address their software QC.

I didn't know all my latest pictures were imaginary, since I've been using older Canon batteries in my R5 II.
If I had only read this B&H 1 star review before using my camera... Surprising that the review was from a confirmed customer!

 

[neuroanatomist]

So, why isn't the UK being flooded with them? The list price of the R5ii converts to $5988 or before tax $4990.

Profits also depend on units sold. The US has ~5x the population of the UK and a higher median income, and Canon certainly knows which countries purchase more of their cameras.

 

[sanj]

Say you’re trying to sell something you own, and one potential buyer offers you 20% more than another buyer. Who do you sell to?

That’s the situation a Japanese company is in when the yen is weak. If they sell to the US market (or another market with a relatively stronger currency), the buyer is effectively paying more for the same item. So, it makes plenty of sense for Canon to redistribute limited stock to countries where they’ll make more profit.

Which is more likely, that Canon is lying to perpetrate a hoax, or that they’re making a logical business decision?

I understand your point. But not convinced.

 

[sanj]

Another point - not directly connected but I am wondering if the camera is so much in demand and people are desperate to buy it, how is it still available even after 24 hours at BH?

 

[sanj]

Say you’re trying to sell something you own, and one potential buyer offers you 20% more than another buyer. Who do you sell to?

That’s the situation a Japanese company is in when the yen is weak. If they sell to the US market (or another market with a relatively stronger currency), the buyer is effectively paying more for the same item. So, it makes plenty of sense for Canon to redistribute limited stock to countries where they’ll make more profit.

Which is more likely, that Canon is lying to perpetrate a hoax, or that they’re making a logical business decision?

What stops Canon from increasing the price in Japan? And are YOU sure that the notice that Canon put was Japan specific?

 

[neuroanatomist]

And are YOU sure that the notice that Canon put was Japan specific?

No, I'm not. If it's global, it would be logical for subsidiaries to post similar notices, but they never seem to. But then, Canon Japan is the one supplying those subsidiaries, so...

 

[amazin]

I got a call this morning from my store in France saying they got mine. They received 2 this morning.
I preordered mine the day the Mark II was announced and the store will buy my Mark I and will resell it.
I'm so happy.

 

[AlanF]

Interesting distribution of thumbs up and thumbs down for five star reviews on the B&H product page. Compared to any four star or less review. Almost seems orchestrated? I’ve never seen anything quite like it.

Just checked it out., Yes every 5* positive review gets about 20 thumbs down vs a few thumbs up and vice versa for anything with a negative comment. Truly remarkable - it stinks.

 

[neuroanatomist]

Just checked it out., Yes every 5* positive review gets about 20 thumbs down vs a few thumbs up and vice versa for anything with a negative comment. Truly remarkable - it stinks.

Smells like Sony trollbois.

 

[MikeGalos]

Profits also depend on units sold. The US has ~5x the population of the UK and a higher median income, and Canon certainly knows which countries purchase more of their cameras.

It also depends on splitting out the localization costs for that market which, at a minimum involve things like different manual and different text in firmware but also can include complying with different market-specific regulations on what can be included in the package or what cannot be included. For a large market that cost is relatively low but in a small market it can make for a significant chunk of the final pricing since the total cost for localizing is about the same for each market but the number of units that have to share that cost varies wildly.

 

[Mark McG]

Canon rep was in my local WEX (UK) store today as part of their camera store week promo - they brought an R1 and R5II for folk to have a play with. The R1 with RF14-35F4 attached was lighter than the R5II with no grip and RF135F2 attached. Was surprised at how light the R1 felt.

Speaking to the rep, they gave approx figures for numbers shipped to the UK - approx 8,500 for release day to cover all UK retailers. Said they are due to get 1-2 shipments a month with between 1,500 and 3,000 units per shipment.

The rep said the demand for the R5II was off the charts.

At least my LP-E6P battery order (ordered 24th August) was available for collection.

 

[neuroanatomist]

...different text in firmware...

For cameras sold in the UK, does Canon spell color with a u?

 

[koenkooi]

No, I'm not. If it's global, it would be logical for subsidiaries to post similar notices, but they never seem to. But then, Canon Japan is the one supplying those subsidiaries, so...

Isn’t it legally mandated to post such notices in Japan?

 

[AlanF]

It also depends on splitting out the localization costs for that market which, at a minimum involve things like different manual and different text in firmware but also can include complying with different market-specific regulations on what can be included in the package or what cannot be included. For a large market that cost is relatively low but in a small market it can make for a significant chunk of the final pricing since the total cost for localizing is about the same for each market but the number of units that have to share that cost varies wildly.

The US and UK both speak English as well as Canada etc and we have the same manuals. The text in my UK firmware has US spelling (eg “color” sic), so your first “at a minimum” does not impinge on the cost here. Further, we have the same electronic requirements as the EU, and they have different languages which according to you would add to the cost, yet there is an 11% mark up in the UK over the EU.

 

[sanj]

Profits also depend on units sold. The US has ~5x the population of the UK and a higher median income, and Canon certainly knows which countries purchase more of their cameras.

As of now, until a saturation point is reached, Europe would buy enough units for Canon to have interest in that area.

 

[AlanF]

Canon rep was in my local WEX (UK) store today as part of their camera store week promo - they brought an R1 and R5II for folk to have a play with. The R1 with RF14-35F4 attached was lighter than the R5II with no grip and RF135F2 attached. Was surprised at how light the R1 felt.

Speaking to the rep, they gave approx figures for numbers shipped to the UK - approx 8,500 for release day to cover all UK retailers. Said they are due to get 1-2 shipments a month with between 1,500 and 3,000 units per shipment.

The rep said the demand for the R5II was off the charts.

At least my LP-E6P battery order (ordered 24th August) was available for collection.

The extra price in the UK on the first day alone is getting on for some $10m. That should go some way towards printing manuals etc…

 

[Del Paso]

The US and UK both speak English as well as Canada etc and we have the same manuals. The text in my UK firmware has US spelling (eg “color” sic), so your first “at a minimum” does not impinge on the cost here. Further, we have the same electronic requirements as the EU, and they have different languages which according to you would add to the cost, yet there is an 11% mark up in the UK over the EU.

Was it the same 11% mark-up ante brexit?

 

[clarus]

Europe gets nothing while it’s in stock every other day at BH. Seems like Canon didn’t know how to ship anything elsewhere.

Which isn't true. Available at online retailers, not in big quantities but there are bodies and/or kits readily available.

 

[MikeGalos]

The US and UK both speak English as well as Canada etc and we have the same manuals. The text in my UK firmware has US spelling (eg “color” sic), so your first “at a minimum” does not impinge on the cost here. Further, we have the same electronic requirements as the EU, and they have different languages which according to you would add to the cost, yet there is an 11% mark up in the UK over the EU.

I'm surprised that they do the EN-US localization. That's a surprising cost saving.

The markup in the UK across the board on non-UK vendors in the last couple of years has been, at least by their statements, tied to their insecurity about the Pound as Brexit begins to be fully implemented. There has been, for example, a 30% difference in the US/UK currency conversion with the Pound dropping as low as US$1.09 and as high as $1.42 in the last few years. The pricing in September 2022 scared everybody a lot. They also worry that as UK stops being tied to EU regulations that they'll have to absorb market specific new regulations that will force them to have to change or certify in new ways rather than assuming an EU version with different wording would be legal in the UK.