The 1 Series Arrives for the RF Mount

[Del Paso]

there's VAT on top of that but it's about 500 euro more it seems. you have to realize that it's more costly to do anything in Europe.

I believe this is now a legend.
America used to be a very inexpensive travel country, food, clothing, gas and even hotels were really cheap.
No longer. OK, cars still cost less, gas too,.
But you get much better food for less money in France, Spain, Portugal, Italy and even Britain. Clothing was dirt cheap in the 80s and 90s in the USA, compared to European prices. But times have changed. And medical care...

 

[SpecInspector]

The R1 has onboard GPS. But you weren't going to buy it anyway, were you?

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That part of specs is identical to https://www.canon-europe.com/cameras/eos-r5-mark-ii/specifications/

and No I don't need a another 24 mpixel camera. I have plenty of hardware and storage to support many more pixels.

 

[jbajsel]

love how this site is pushing the r1 as the "the one we've been waiting for" yet every hands on review is questioning if it's really a flagship haha. im honestly torn on whether or not to cancel the pre-order and stick with my R3. might come down to analysis/testing of the raw files, which I haven't seen yet.

 

[AJ]

A year or two ago I was having trouble with lens IS at below freezing temperatures. I sent it in for warranty servicing and Canon's response was: prosumer gear isn't made to operate below zero. So you should buy a pro body and pro lenses.
Going through the R1 spec list, I see that the operating temperature is 0 to 45 Celsius. So what is one to do in winter? I live in Canada so it does get cold here at times.

 

[FramerMCB]

^^This. The people who are the target audience, will buy the camera. I’d guess that 99% of the people complaining about it on the Internet we’re never going to buy it anyway.

Ditto

 

[neuroanatomist]

love how this site is pushing the r1 as the "the one we've been waiting for" yet every hands on review is questioning if it's really a flagship haha.

How many of those 'hands on' YouTuber reviewers are people who actually buy cameras and use them to shoot pictures for fun or profit? Clearly Canon is willing to provide pre-release cameras to people for (pre)views, in this day and age they have to. But it seems that Canon is in the business of designing cameras for people who actually buy and use them, whereas Sony seems to design cameras for people who earn a living by posting their opinions on the internet.

As someone who buys cameras and lenses and uses them to take pictures, I far prefer Canon's approach. The fact that nearly 50% of people buying a new camera every year choose Canon says that their approach works.

 

[ironfreak]

Clients often demand high resolution images for large prints, I mean really big sized prints for posters /billboards from my sports assignments. Here, the EOS R1 with revolutionary AF and speed but with 24 MP is still short of resolution. It is okay for magazine or cover only. Clients want future ready images. Not sure how the AI up scaling works though I'll wait for real world review of it.

A high MP EOS R1 with speed would be true flagship, mirrorless king, etc whatever people may call it over the internet.

Those who think if we're expecting 1 camera for all needs from a flagship or a true mirrorless king, means we're keyboard warriors or we don't know market, thanks! You have shown your understanding of the market as well!

 

[FramerMCB]

They don’t sell 1 series at numbers anything like the lower models. A good bit of why they unified the line with the 1dx. 1 series cameras are meant to be fast, reliable, beefy work horses, and this is just that. Old reliable, dependable, trusted.

Also, this thing has a lot more features in it than people seem to be willing to admit to. 24 mp has always been enough for media, National Geographic, Reuters, et cetera.

I also wouldn’t be surprised if they use the r3 line to make a high resolution camera with and revamp it. Also wouldn’t be surprised if that line dies off.

I feel like some people get hung up on MPs. Like arguing about what's better a 700hp beefed up Dodge Challenger vs a 500hp Ford Shelby Mustang. Both vehicles are probably fine performers and speedy but does the Dodge win (I'm not talking about racing here) just because it has more horsepower? It always comes down to what you want/need to achieve the desired outcome. And apologies as this is not a great analogy. If you need the 700hp then get that product. That doesn't mean that 500hp is what less people are looking for (or more people).

 

[neuroanatomist]

Those who think if we're expecting 1 camera for all needs from a flagship or a true mirrorless king, means we're keyboard warriors or we don't know market, thanks! You have shown your understanding of the market as well!

Who is 'we'? Do you believe you speak for all, most, or some photographers? Or just yourself? Do you believe you understand the camera market better the company that has led that market for >20 years?

If the R1 doesn't appeal to you, don't buy it. Simple. But the fact that it doesn't appeal to you personally does not mean Canon doesn't understand the market. They just don't care about your personal needs...nor should they.

 

[BuffaloBird]

^^This. The people who are the target audience, will buy the camera. I’d guess that 99% of the people complaining about it on the Internet we’re never going to buy it anyway.

That's most definitely not me. I would have very excitedly purchased an R1 if it had 45+ mp. Would love a pro-level camera that can quickly move the glass in my 600 f/4. But I have next to no interest in shooting at 24mp. Some do, of course. That's also most definitely not me.

 

[meywd]

I just bought the R3 and this makes me happy as it keeps the R3 In a solid position, the only thing I find interesting, is why not upscale the raw files? The jpg upscale can be done outside the camera, but the raw file? Full editing capabilities? That would be something else.

 

[neuroanatomist]

... the only thing I find interesting, is why not upscale the raw files?

Because then it wouldn't be a RAW file.

 

[meywd]

Because then it wouldn't be a RAW file.

A DNG then, a tiff file

 

[Avilux]

Canon made major marketing efforts to prepare for the release of its flagship camera. Hence, I got the impression that Canon will launch a highly advanced camera and a worthy successor of its famous 1 series, respectively, on the global market. However, it looks like a due upgrade of the R3 to me. So Nikon and Sony don\'t need to fear strong competition in the top segment, at least for some time. As for me, an enthusiastic wildlife and bird photographer, I wait for the R3 successor with a 30+MP sensor and cross-type AF.

 

[frankchn]

As for me, an enthusiastic wildlife and bird photographer, I wait for the R3 successor with a 30+MP sensor and cross-type AF.

I won't hold my breath on there being an R3 successor at all. The R1 is obviously targeting the same segment, and Canon usually doesn't launch 2 cameras into the same space.

I suspect you might be happier with the R5II at 45 MP @ 30 fps even if it doesn't have cross-type AF (and from the Canon USA spec sheet on the R5II, it seems to have it).

 

[john1970]

IMO both are solid cameras for their respective buyers.

 

[Omn]

It's fun imagining things to please oneself but when it comes to product announcements in a consumeristic era it typically leads to disappointments when fantasy meets reality. Which can lead to projecting the cause of disappointment to someone else instead of own unrealistic expectations.

24 Mp on a full frame camera are there because 6 microns are best balance for image quality, low light performance and speed. And flagship camera aims at best image quality, low light performance and speed.

There is R5 successor for megapixels.

Hats off to Canon team, fantastic achievement.

 

[AJ]

That's most definitely not me. I would have very excitedly purchased an R1 if it had 45+ mp.

This begs the question: where is Canon's high megapixel mirrorless camera? I think there have been a few rumors from time to time of a ~100 mpix camera, but nothing imminent

 

[Omn]

1D X Mark III:

- 20Mp
- 191 AF points, -4 EV
- OVF - 0.76x
- 1/8000
- 16 Fps
- 1440g

R1:

- 24Mp
- AF science fiction, -7.5 EV
- EVF - 0.9x
- IBIS
- 1/64000
- 40 fps
- 1100g

 

[BuffaloBird]

It's fun imagining things to please oneself but when it comes to product announcements in a consumeristic era it typically leads to disappointments when fantasy meets reality. Which can lead to projecting the cause of disappointment to someone else instead of own unrealistic expectations.

24 Mp on a full frame camera are there because 6 microns are best balance for image quality, low light performance and speed. And flagship camera aims at best image quality, low light performance and speed.

There is R5 successor for megapixels.

Hats off to Canon team, fantastic achievement.

Expectations that a flagship camera in 2024 would compete head-to-head with Nikon and Sony flagships is not...an unrealistic expectation. Hence, people are understandably disappointed.