The 1 Series Arrives for the RF Mount

[Omn]

Expectations that a flagship camera in 2024 would compete head-to-head with Nikon and Sony flagships is not...an unrealistic expectation. Hence, people are understandably disappointed.

Disappointed are divorced from reality. And using bad logic (cherrypicking) in their fantasy land where you can build your own perfect camera by picking most pleasing ideas from the shelf.

This camera is dramatically superior to its predecessor (see post above) and to R3 and has top performance and features.

It competes very well with proper logic (without cherrypicking).

 

[neuroanatomist]

Expectations that a flagship camera in 2024 would compete head-to-head with Nikon and Sony flagships is not...an unrealistic expectation.

Depends on your perspective. Canon is the dominant player in the market. If the 800-lb mountain gorilla is looking for bamboo to eat, does he worry about competing with the 7-lb tree hyrax?

I think it’s a reasonable expectation for forum participants and avid consumers of YouTube ‘reviews’, stoked by the latter who earn income from views and clicks.

Conversely, if you’re the little hyrax you probably are worried about the mountain gorilla, so you’ll likely try to find some bamboo where the gorilla troop isn’t feeding. So Sony and Nikon need to differentiate their offerings from Canon’s, while Canon just needs to keep doing what they’re doing.

Hence, people are understandably disappointed.

No doubt. But mostly they are people who had no intention of buying the R1 anyway, so why should Canon care? It’s like people on a car enthusiast forum comparing Lamborghini and Ferrari models…then getting in their Toyotas and Fords to go buy groceries.

 

[DhlcadR6]

Expectations that a flagship camera in 2024 would compete head-to-head with Nikon and Sony flagships is not...an unrealistic expectation. Hence, people are understandably disappointed.

Nikon > less accurate AF and heavier. For stills it's ok but there's not much to say in video. Luckily they have Prores but non-Mac users will not like it.

Sony > Hide their continuous burst caveats to lie. They still haven't published how slow is their uncompressed RAW on a1.
A9iii 1.6 seconds buffer in the 120fps mode is not practical. Once it's dropping to stable 30fps it's slower than Canon.
Global shutter is an interesting approach but let's face it. It's not an essential

 

[Daniel Lindblom]

The small window on the backside of the camera is in fact a camera for identifying who is using the camera. This according to a Swedish photo site.

 

[Richard CN]

Clients often demand high resolution images for large prints, I mean really big sized prints for posters /billboards from my sports assignments. Here, the EOS R1 with revolutionary AF and speed but with 24 MP is still short of resolution. It is okay for magazine or cover only. Clients want future ready images. Not sure how the AI up scaling works though I'll wait for real world review of it.

A high MP EOS R1 with speed would be true flagship, mirrorless king, etc whatever people may call it over the internet.

Those who think if we're expecting 1 camera for all needs from a flagship or a true mirrorless king, means we're keyboard warriors or we don't know market, thanks! You have shown your understanding of the market as well!

have you been asleep since the 1DX came out in 2011?

when has the 1 series line since the 1DX ever been about MP? the 5D took that over from the 1Ds line, and Canon went with the 1DX as their top flagship - which is why you see many of the 1 series features on the 5D / R5 series today.

Canon DOES understand their market well, you just aren't in it. If you wanted as big of images as you are talking you are going medium format anyways because 50MP isn't going to cut it either.

 

[Richard CN]

Expectations that a flagship camera in 2024 would compete head-to-head with Nikon and Sony flagships is not...an unrealistic expectation. Hence, people are understandably disappointed.

This isn't sports. Canon makes cameras to satisfy what their professionals and users are saying they need.

I could have bet money on the R1 being low MP and it's not as if we haven't been saying it's low MP all year - so why this is a surprise and shock to you, well, I don't know.

Also - Canon doesn't specification chase as much as the other brands.

and finally;

1DX - 18MP
1DX Mark II - 20MP
1DX Mark III - 20MP
R1 - 24MP

Notice anything similar there?

 

[Richard CN]

The small window on the backside of the camera is in fact a camera for identifying who is using the camera. This according to a Swedish photo site.

identity - now that is interesting.

 

[mxwphoto]

The small window on the backside of the camera is in fact a camera for identifying who is using the camera. This according to a Swedish photo site.

Hopefully this is the start of anti theft being built into the camera...

 

[Dragon]

This is definitely targeted at the exact same market segment as existing R3 users. R3 is likely a one-and-done camera.

Or an R3 II could explore another new area of technology consistent with the history of the 3 nomenclature. E.g. a FF camera that predicts and processes similarly to a phone. That could produce some amazing images in really crappy conditions. There is some of this thinking in the R1 and R5 II, but still a lot of room to go and a hard push might not be initially seen as universal (much like eye detect AF), but a perfect fit for 3 series body. Only time will tell, but Canon has been remarkably innovative lately, so not out of the range of possibility.

 

[@SEA]

A new Canon Camera introduction without Rudy Winston. Just doesn't seem right.

Very true Sir.

 

[Del Paso]

I keep wondering how many of those criticizing the R1:
- Are users of this category of cameras
- Have also criticized Sony's A9 III for having also "only" 24 MP, mediocre DR, 250 basic ISO, disastrous ergonomics
- Are only here for trolling
- Are honestly disappointed (my guess: a tiny minority of 1 series users)
- Do not understand at all what this camera is meant for
- Just hate whatever Canon produce
PS: As I'm not in this camera's buyers category, I'm quite unable to emit a judgement. So, waiting for opinions by actual pro users, and not by amateurs, trolls or paid influencers.

 

[Omn]

Camera announcements in consumer neurotic era, mental pattern :

- Cherrypick whatever you imagine because pleasing, put on same pile regardless of reality and logical relations (causality/correlation/inverse proportionally)
- Larger number is better then smaller number (void of context), therefore > 24 cannot be good as 45, rinse repeat > 45 as 50, 50 as 60 > infinity
- If something can be done somewhere it has to be achievable everywhere
- What is there is irrelevant because of what isn't there (selective focus, glass always empty)
- What is there (limited because physics, electronics etc.) vs. what isn't there (endless pool because imagination)
=> endless dissatisfaction with new and improved tools better then ever

- I cannot be pleased
- I need to pleased

> internal conflict, paradox loop

=> consumer neurotic disorder

 

[john1970]

For me the R1 is a huge improvement over the R3 in many ways including the following:

1) Cross-type AF sensors on the entire area of the sensor.
2) Faster (1/400) second flash sync speed , which also translates into less rolling shutter artifacts.
3) At 40 fps one should have a buffer capable of shooting 1000 frames or more so a much larger buffer than the R3
4) A vast improved Eye Control AF System (should work with eyeglasses) and EVF (9.44 M dots x0.9 magnification).
5) Matching CFE Type B card slots. Not version 4, but that is okay.
6) Strap lug on the bottom of the camera; I really missed this feature on the R3.
7) Info button available on the vertical grip.

On the minus side the body is a bit heavier by 98 grams relative to the R3, but that is fine with me. For those of us with workflows that do not require more than 24 MP I could honestly see the R1 being a camera one uses until it stops functioning.

 

[Canon Rumors]

The small window on the backside of the camera is in fact a camera for identifying who is using the camera. This according to a Swedish photo site.

So part of image authentication? I need to dig for more info on that.

 

[DhlcadR6]

I keep wondering how many of those criticizing the R1:
- Are users of this category of cameras
- Have also criticized Sony's A9 III for having also "only" 24 MP, mediocre DR, 250 basic ISO, disastrous ergonomics
- Are only here for trolling
- Are honestly disappointed (my guess: a tiny minority of 1 series users)
- Do not understand at all what this camera is meant for
- Just hate whatever Canon produce
PS: As I'm not in this camera's buyers category, I'm quite unable to emit a judgement. So, waiting for opinions by actual pro users, and not by amateurs, trolls or paid influencers.

Let me guess.
1. Nope.
2. Nope. Because $ony is the best and it cHaNgEs EvErYtHiNg
3. Of course. Some I even recognised is from DPR and they are not RF users(&dislike Canon)
4. Nope, they'll copy youtubers' view from Fro/Peter
5. They are refusing to understand. Because they don't want Canon's "brainwashing"
6. CaNoN iS dooooommmed ™
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My 2 cents. I'm the minority thinking embracing computational photography in professional cameras are awesome. Digital photography is already a part of computational photography so why so resist?

I've seen great phtographers using smartphones to pull off some of the best landscapes I've ever seen. If the optics and CMOS hardwares are better than the smartphones. The limits will push higher and saves the post-processing fuss on PC/Mac.

 

[mpmark]

24 mpixels and no onboard GPS. I won't be upgrading my R3.

A year or two ago I was having trouble with lens IS at below freezing temperatures. I sent it in for warranty servicing and Canon's response was: prosumer gear isn't made to operate below zero. So you should buy a pro body and pro lenses.
Going through the R1 spec list, I see that the operating temperature is 0 to 45 Celsius. So what is one to do in winter? I live in Canada so it does get cold here at times.

This seems silly, I also live in Canada. I've used my R5's all day in -18 to -25 in snow as well with zero issue the past 3 years. Stop worrying.

 

[neuroanatomist]

6) Strap lug on the bottom of the camera; I really missed this feature on the R3.

I didn’t notice that before, thanks. The lack of the bottom lug on the R3 didn’t bother me, because a hand strap attachment point is provided by the modular RRS plate. Something else to preorder for the R1...

 

[miketcool]

The AI AF system that can register different athletes in sports, actors behind the scenes, or members in a wedding is the feature. It doesn't splash on the page like numerical specs of a sensor size or physical attributes like a shutter do. For those shooting the must-have shot in difficult situations, this is an absolute killer feature. This is further enhanced with the ability of the camera to follow the movements of the game ball and switch to the next player without your input. In the next few years this implementation will improve and additional functions can be added via firmware. Watch Gordon Laing's video showing how the registration and tracking work.

I can think of all the events I have been at when an object or another person crossed in front of my subject and my camera momentarily jumped to the wrong target to focus. In big moments, this will greatly increase the number of shots and the odds that you capture the perfect moment. For the time being, Canon's competitors will need to change how their AI processors work to get these features. We will get image quality comparisons between the major bodies soon, and I would be surprised if the R1 doesn't perform the best for noise and dynamic range.

 

[uPhotic]

So part of image authentication? I need to dig for more info on that.

Looks like canon has said to other people it is reserved for future use and aren't saying what it is. So am unsure about when we will see what it actually does

 

[koenkooi]

The AI AF system that can register different athletes in sports, actors behind the scenes, or members in a wedding is the feature. It doesn't splash on the page like numerical specs of a sensor size or physical attributes like a shutter do. For those shooting the must-have shot in difficult situations, this is an absolute killer feature. [...]

Since I'm not a professional, I'm going to register my kids faces, that should make it a lot easier to photograph school plays and music performances. I bet Canon forgot to implement it for video mode, though.