The Canon EOS “R7” has been pushed to Q4 of 2022

[adrian_bacon]

A world class 8K stacked BSI APS-C sensor would be awesome, and basically take all the Canon top line auto focus tech and put it into the R7 with that crop sensor.

Just think, 7680x5120 pixels, 30 fps stills, R3 level AF. One can dream.

More realistically, it'll probably be the 90D sensor (or a revision of it) with the R6 firmware, and no IBIS in basically an R6 body. I could pretty easily live with that too. It'd be great for the birders, event shooters, and all around general purpose photogs.

 

[Blue Zurich]

A world class 8K stacked BSI APS-C sensor would be awesome, and basically take all the Canon top line auto focus tech and put it into the R7 with that crop sensor.

Just think, 7680x5120 pixels, 30 fps stills, R3 level AF. One can dream.

More realistically, it'll probably be the 90D sensor (or a revision of it) with the R6 firmware, and no IBIS in basically an R6 body. I could pretty easily live with that too. It'd be great for the birders, event shooters, and all around general purpose photogs.

My less than optimal take would be R6 with IBIS and a reworked M6ll sensor.

 

[mdcmdcmdc]

More realistically, it'll probably be the 90D sensor (or a revision of it) with the R6 firmware, and no IBIS in basically an R6 body. I could pretty easily live with that too. It'd be great for the birders, event shooters, and all around general purpose photogs.

My less than optimal take would be R6 with IBIS and a reworked M6ll sensor.

I hope that by Q4 2022, Canon will have more to show than just a bunch of cobbled-together parts dating from the Trump administration!

 

[mdcmdcmdc]

I’ve also been following these rumors, or their predecessors (7D Mark III) since at least as far back as early 2018. That was when I wondered whether I should grab a good local deal on a slightly used 7D Mark II, or wait because the rumor sites said the Mark III would be out that year (I grabbed it).

My thirst for a high-performance APS-C mirrorless body was quenched when I bought an a6400 last spring. But I keep hoping Canon will give me a compelling reason to come back.

I keep hoping…

…and hoping…

 

[TexPhoto]

The mock-up R7 has a full frame sensor. It's clearly an R5. The 7 is even a little too long.

 

[Chaitanya]

A world class 8K stacked BSI APS-C sensor would be awesome, and basically take all the Canon top line auto focus tech and put it into the R7 with that crop sensor.

Just think, 7680x5120 pixels, 30 fps stills, R3 level AF. One can dream.

More realistically, it'll probably be the 90D sensor (or a revision of it) with the R6 firmware, and no IBIS in basically an R6 body. I could pretty easily live with that too. It'd be great for the birders, event shooters, and all around general purpose photogs.

Given its 7 series body, expect R7 to share internals and body with R5 rather than R6. I hope R7 gets max of 28MP BSI sensor which would be a great upgrade over EOS 7D mk2.

 

[HMC11]

Scientists have measured the shortest interval of time ever recorded, clocking how long it takes a particle of light to cross a single molecule of hydrogen. The ultra-quick journey took 247 zeptoseconds, according to a team of German researchers, with a zeptosecond representing a trillionth of a billionth of a second.

Shortest interval of time until the R7 is announced and I smash the preorder button in about 123 zeptoseconds.

As a chemist would say, fast though 123zeptoseconds ordering is, the rate-determining step would still be the delivery time, which is most likely measured in months, or at least 10^28 zeptoseconds .

 

[Jasonmc89]

Seems like you’ll have ample time for that.

True. Although I can’t really afford to put anything away at the moment!

 

[adrian_bacon]

My less than optimal take would be R6 with IBIS and a reworked M6ll sensor.

The M6II sensor is the same as the 90D, so with the exception of IBIS, we be thinking along similar lines.

 

[adrian_bacon]

I hope that by Q4 2022, Canon will have more to show than just a bunch of cobbled-together parts dating from the Trump administration!

I would hope so too, but at the same time, there's just about nothing wrong with the 90D/M6II sensor. Canon could totally put it in an R5/R6 body, and reuse as many parts as possible from existing production runs, have a really performant platform, and totally lead with price. Birders/wildlife photogs want as much pixel density as possible for cropping and that sensor is right up there, and it's more than enough total resolution for a pretty big swath of professional general purpose photography to boot.

 

[adrian_bacon]

Given its 7 series body, expect R7 to share internals and body with R5 rather than R6. I hope R7 gets max of 28MP BSI sensor which would be a great upgrade over EOS 7D mk2.

What they ultimately end up doing will likely be a reflection of how many they think they can sell. In an ideal world, everything in it would be new or top line, but in reality, it would be very likely a lot of shared bits and pieces between the other platforms they're already making.

My personal preference would be the R5 firmware, but actual R6 body, simply because I like the R6 top plate better and would rather have two SD cards than the mixed cards the R5 has, but that's just me.

 

[mxwphoto]

If canon goes top end route I can see a 36mpx BSI sensor with IBIS at 30fps and 8k recording housed in something similar to R5 body. If pricing can get to $2500 it would be a winner.

Personally I just don't see Canon reusing 90D sensor as the R7 and calling it a day as the expectations surrounding the 7Dii successor are sky high. If Canon did that it would be the camera equivalent of big white lens adaptergate.

 

[Fletchahh]

CR Guy is back - at least for this post (I have the impression at least not both substitute admins are fan of these APS-C rumors ).
I'm happy to hear some news about the "R7". Really pushing my patience with that camera. Even Micro Four Thirds and the OM-1 have started to sound attractive (just wish that 150-400mm F4.5 TC wasn't so crazy expensive).
I have the R6 because I couldn't wait to try that Animal AF any more. Great camera, but fullframe is not what I want to build my general all-purpose kit around.

[PS. I'm not answering comments that I should buy fullframe and crop. We have already been through that discussion at least a 100 times before]

Agreed. I still only have a 7D II and every lens of mine other than my 100-400 II is a EF-S mount lens because the crop ecosystem is substantially cheaper. Just (not so) patiently waiting to be able to use Animal AF on a good crop body at this point.

 

[adrian_bacon]

Personally I just don't see Canon reusing 90D sensor as the R7 and calling it a day as the expectations surrounding the 7Dii successor are sky high. If Canon did that it would be the camera equivalent of big white lens adaptergate.

The 7DII is literally the 70D sensor in a pro body with pro oriented firmware. It's true that expectations are high, but if you're currently a 7DII shooter, if they used the 90D sensor in the R7 or a revised version of it, you'd be getting a stop plus of extra dynamic range over the 7DII, a lot less noise, significantly better AF, a way higher shooting frame rate, and you'd be going from ~20MP to 32+MP on top of all that. That's not an insignificant upgrade for a 7DII shooter. I strongly suspect the only reason why Canon didn't do a 7DIII with an 80D or 90D sensor was because they had RF plans, and then COVID hit... and here we are, way past the refresh cycle for the 7DII.

I totally get that tech continues to march on, and people tend to want the moon, but from the context of a current 7DII shooter (yes they do exist and are out there), that's a really healthy upgrade and gets those shooters on the RF platform. The only way Canon could really top that is basically do an APS-C version of the R3 with an all new BSI stacked sensor. I just don't see that happening given the current environment and with R3 orders backlogged out to kingdom come. In the interest of getting salable product out the door and keeping the money flowing in and lights on, and following what they did with the 7DII sensor, I see it way more likely that it'd be an 80D or 90D sensor in an R5 or R6 body. I could be totally wrong, but that's my reading of the tea leaves.

 

[Stig Nygaard]

Regarding sensor, I would be disappointed if they just reuse the 90D-sensor. I wouldn't expect them to either. I think Canon will like to demonstrate/use their newer sensor-technology.

If previous rumor about about same sensor being used in multiple APS-C cameras including R7 are true, I would not expect the sensor to be stacked, but hopefully still with fast read-out technology like the R5 sensor.

On the other hand, if R7 gets its own sensor, I would expect it to be stacked and we would ideally see demonstrated some of the advantages you can get from smaller stacked sensors (Think something in direction of the new OM-1, though that MFT-sensor of course has advantage of being even smaller and have less resolution than to be expected from a new R7 sensor).

The Canon 7D-series has always signaled speed, so I expect some sensor with fast readout. However if they take the easy path and just re-use the 90D sensor, I'm pretty sure I still buy it. Would probably still be the camera available closest to what I want.

 

[entoman]

All we have at the moment is the invented name "R7" and a lot of speculation and wishful thinking.

This could indeed be a 33MP sports/birding machine to fulfil the wishes of those who want more reach from shorter and cheaper lenses...

... but it could just be a cheapo bottom-of-the-range APS body to entice newcomers into the RF system.

I ask you, which is the more likely?

 

[addola]

The 7D Mark II was 10 fps, and the current R6 does 14 fps mechanical (20 electronic). If the R7 is about speed, it would have to out-do the 20 electronic. Could it be an APS-C camera that does 30 fps electronic like the R3?

I think Canon would not reuse an existing sensor for this one because the 7D series was quite popular, so they're probably going to invest more into it.

I think this signals the end of the EF-M system, as this would likely be followed by entry-level, sub-$600 RF mount camera.

 

[neuroanatomist]

I think this signals the end of the EF-M system, as this would likely be followed by entry-level, sub-$600 RF mount camera.

The imminent death of the M system continues to be greatly exaggerated.

 

[tron]

The 7D Mark II was 10 fps, and the current R6 does 14 fps mechanical (20 electronic). If the R7 is about speed, it would have to out-do the 20 electronic. Could it be an APS-C camera that does 30 fps electronic like the R3?

I think Canon would not reuse an existing sensor for this one because the 7D series was quite popular, so they're probably going to invest more into it.

I think this signals the end of the EF-M system, as this would likely be followed by entry-level, sub-$600 RF mount camera.

To be precise: 8fps mechanical at 14bit 12 fps mechanical at 13 bit 20fps electronic at 12bit. 7Dii has 10fps at 14bit.

 

[mdcmdcmdc]

I would hope so too, but at the same time, there's just about nothing wrong with the 90D/M6II sensor. Canon could totally put it in an R5/R6 body, and reuse as many parts as possible from existing production runs, have a really performant platform, and totally lead with price. Birders/wildlife photogs want as much pixel density as possible for cropping and that sensor is right up there, and it's more than enough total resolution for a pretty big swath of professional general purpose photography to boot.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with everything you're saying. My point is that Canon could have easily released such a camera two years ago, but they didn't. What's different now?

It couldn't have been to protect initial R6 sales, since the R6 and (hypothetical) R7 address different markets. It couldn't have been to protect initial R5 sales, since the R5 is in a much different price class (at least, I *hope* the R5 is in a much different price class!) than the rumored R7. Could it have been to protect the remaining trickle of new 7D Mark II sales? Maybe, but even two years ago, that was a 5+ year old body, and Fuji and Sony had surpassed its capabilities even then.

I see this going one of two ways:

1) Canon releases an ultimate pro-level APS-C body with everything we've been dreaming of, the latest 2022 technology, and maybe one or two new, unique features that nobody saw coming. This will be a one-off release that will have to keep all of us Canon APS-C fanbois and fangurrls happy for the next ten years.

2) Nothing happens. We all know the rumor mill has been pretty slow lately, and all of the rumor/clickbait sites know that "R7" generates a lot of traffic. Is there any reason to believe the high-end APS-C market is more appealing to Canon now than it was two or three years ago? Even Sony has discontinued older a6x00 APS-C models and suspended production of current ones in favor of their full frame offerings.