The Canon EOS R1 is coming, here are a few things to expect

[john1970]

That suggests some significant compromises on frame rate. It also suggests Canon is going back to the old 1D / 1Ds split, with the part of the 1D being played by the R3.

That is what I am think as well. Ugh... I really hope that they offer some form of pixel binning, but only time will tell. If 80 MP I would suspect that the upper limit on frame rate would be ~15 fps, but then again I could be wrong. If the new camera has the next generation Digic processor maybe it will be able to move 80 MP of data at 20 fps to the buffer and then buffer to CFE cards at 1.5 GB / sec. That is pushing the CFE type B to the limit.

I do wonder how fast cameras will move data in the future, but I did just order a WD SSD drive that writes data at 5.3 GB/sec!

 

[Cyborx]

Are we heading for 15 months of R1 rumoring from now on?

 

[bbasiaga]

Why? The Z9's major weakness among high performance bodies is not being able to do 30fps raw. Sorry, 30fps jpeg is a cop-out, and it seems 120fps 11mp is extremely niche. For the target audience of pro action photographers, to me the R3 is still much more capable than the Z9 because of the 30fps raw, despite the lower resolution which again, for the target audience, is not an issue.

I bet this was a design decision to get the cost down. Most high speed shooters are doing sports, and have deadlines within MINUTES of the end of an event. Jeff Cable, the guy of R3 test fame at the olympics, had to have all his photos sorted, processed and transferred within 15minutes of an event. No time for RAW processing anyway.

Brian

 

[h2so4]

Keep spending your money on R5 and R3, and soon R5 mark II, whatever rocks your boat bro! I’ll wait for just the perfect all-in-one camera. Let’s hope the R1 will come in 2022 and that it will be affordable.

If you wait for the perfect camera to come along you will never buy anything. All cameras are a collection of compromises.

 

[unfocused]

It will be interesting to see how this all plays out. Canon has got to be unhappy about Nikon's aggressive pricing scheme.

So many semi-random thoughts:

I would not be surprised to see an R1 come it at the same price as the 1Dx III. They probably wanted to price it much higher, but I'm guessing they'll take another look at the numbers now that they know what Nikon is doing. Traditionally the two flagships have mirrored each other. But, they also usually come out within a few months of each other as well.

I think it's smart of Canon to wait another year before releasing the R1. Gives them time to get feedback from the R3 and tweak things like eye-control autofocus, which seems to be the main spec advantage the R3 will have over both Sony and Nikon.

Interesting that Nikon has dropped the mechanical shutter. I was surprised that electronic shutter is the default mode of the R3, so I guess Nikon decided to go all in.

In my ideal world, Canon would provide R3 owners with regular firmware upgrades to tweak eye-control and add value to the body. It which would also give them a handy test bed for the R1.

Will Canon deliberately shift its R1 release cycle to a year or so after Nikon, giving them the opportunity to offer new features that the previous Nikon model doesn't have?

Will the R3 remain in the lineup over the long term, or will it be a one-off? If it is a permanent addition, will the R3 be to the R1 what the R6 is to the R5?

Is the market large enough to support both an R3 and an R1? I suspect it might be if the R3 becomes the "bargain" camera for workings sports photographers and photojournalists in secondary markets, while the R1 gets targeted to well-healed enthusiasts and to photographers in elite sports markets like @GoldWing.

Regardless, it will be fun to see how all this plays out.

 

[unfocused]

Are we heading for 15 months of R1 rumoring from now on?

Yes.

 

[rontele7]

God let’s hope they release more f/11 lenses with the R1!!!

A 50mm f/11 or 24-70 f/11 would be incredible! And would really set them apart from Sony & Nikons outdated “fast glass.”

 

[neuroanatomist]

God let’s hope they release more f/11 lenses with the R1!!!

A 50mm f/11 or 24-70 f/11 would be incredible! And would really set them apart from Sony & Nikons outdated “fast glass.”

Do Sony or Nikon have an 800mm lens costing under $1K? Do they have a native MILC 800mm lens at any price?

 

[Chig]

Are we heading for 15 months of R1 rumoring from now on?

3 years is more likely until it turns up just before Paris 2024 Olympics with I predict:

• at most 30mp
• 40-50 fps
• global electronic shutter
• no mechanical shutter

 

[Chig]

I know for a fact that it wont be in and around 30mp, it will be at least double that.

You know for a fact Mr rumour guy ?

 

[mpmark]

Was there any mention of it having low res mode ~20 MP for High ISO sensitivity and a high res mode (~80 MP) for additional cropping capability? Something along the lines of a quad pixel array.

I highly doubt it will be 80mp, t quips make sense to come in at 50mp based on the competition.

 

[docsmith]

I know for a fact that it wont be in and around 30mp, it will be at least double that.

At least double???? At 60 MB x 20 fps = 1200 MB/sec. 8 GB (my guess, but it would fit with a "1" series performance) buffer is 130 images. Most CFe Type B cards are writing in camera at ~500 MB/sec, so that is 16 sec to clear the buffer. If you start going more than double Neuro's 30 MP, those numbers start getting crazy fast (memory for buffer depth, time to clear buffer, etc). Unless 60.2 MP...then..ok.... Otherwise, CFe Type B will need to get closer to their spec or we are looking at CFe Type C cards (which aren't even released yet).

edit…unless we are going to see a more significant transition to CRAW.

 

[Otara]

New dual-eye acquisition device external interface system (DEAD-EIS) allows AF selection and settings adjustment simultaneously. Some practice may be necessary, migraine medication available as standard extra.

 

[JamesG25]

At least double???? At 60 MB x 20 fps = 1200 MB/sec. 8 GB (my guess, but it would fit with a "1" series performance) buffer is 130 images. Most CFe Type B cards are writing in camera at ~500 MB/sec, so that is 16 sec to clear the buffer. If you start going more than double Neuro's 30 MP, those numbers start getting crazy fast (memory for buffer depth, time to clear buffer, etc). Unless 60.2 MP...then..ok.... Otherwise, CFe Type B will need to get closer to their spec or we are looking at CFe Type C cards (which aren't even released yet).

edit…unless we are going to see a more significant transition to CRAW.

I agree with your point that the perfect camera is really having an R5 and an R3 and picking the right tool for the job. I recognize that means $10000 in bodies but I actually think having 2 fantastic bodies is preferable to having one $7000-8000 R1 body

 

[AEWest]

Exactly … if Canon is smart, they put all the R3 specs into the R1, hook it up with a 45mpix sensor and launch this camera as F****** SOON AS POSSIBLE!!!

I believe the R1 needs to be more than a higher mp R3. Something different. More of a studio camera first. 16 bit files to battle Fuji medium format , 80 mp, pixel binned to 20 mp at 20 fps for occasional sports work.

 

[David - Sydney]

At least double???? At 60 MB x 20 fps = 1200 MB/sec. 8 GB (my guess, but it would fit with a "1" series performance) buffer is 130 images. Most CFe Type B cards are writing in camera at ~500 MB/sec, so that is 16 sec to clear the buffer. If you start going more than double Neuro's 30 MP, those numbers start getting crazy fast (memory for buffer depth, time to clear buffer, etc). Unless 60.2 MP...then..ok.... Otherwise, CFe Type B will need to get closer to their spec or we are looking at CFe Type C cards (which aren't even released yet).

edit…unless we are going to see a more significant transition to CRAW.

I think that canon’s flagship wouldn’t have their top speed based on lossy compressed formats. No problems as an option of course.
Hopefully less asterisks
Dual digix is possible based on previous 1DX or possibly going for a new system in chip with significant shared buffer memory .
Canon hasn’t formally approved any cfe cards running at 500Mb/s write speed for the 1DXiii/R5. Only the higher speed ones are listed although most users say that the smaller sandisk cards are ok.
Bit depth at the higher speeds will dictate the max write speed needed. Could be 80mp raw @ 10fps and over sampled 20mp at 40fps. Best of both worlds if 14 bit depth is maintained.
Would users accept oversampled being equivalent or better than raw?

 

[LogicExtremist]

Are we heading for 15 months of R1 rumoring from now on?

Yes, it's part of the marketing strategy to make the announcements early, trickle feed specifications over a prolonged period, build up the hype as much as possible to and drive up the amount of pre-orders from customers who are willing to buy something they've never seen and which hasn't been tested by anyone. Standard marketing practice...

 

[landon]

"One could say that such a camera could be the long-rumoured “EOS R5s”, but I haven’t heard anything about such a camera in a long time. Canon may feel the market is fine with 45mp at that price point and that people that want more, are going to be willing to pay more."

So if pro wants more than 45mp, will need to wait for R1. There will not be R5s.

 

[unfocused]

I know for a fact that it wont be in and around 30mp, it will be at least double that.

If true, then what I've suspected for awhile is probably true as well.

The 1 series is transitioning from a tool for photojournalists and sports photographers to a aspirational body for enthusiasts. Makes sense, since the photojournalism/sports market is dying and enthusiasts are now driving camera company earnings. Canon has to follow the money.

Of course there will be a handful of top tier users that may still buy the R1 for professional use, but for the bulk of people shooting sports or news for a living, a more modest R3 makes sense.

 

[Chig]

Not sure why so many people think the R1 will be coming earlier than the next summer Olympics in 2024 or that it will be high mp resolution, perhaps it's wish fulfilment on their part ?
Perhaps it's thought that Canon must compete with:

• The amateurish overpriced Alpha 1 "flagship" from Sony which has 50mp but it's also got their rubbish ergonomics and laughable user interface and very similar specs to the much cheaper R5
• The Nikon Z9 which has good ergonomics and U.I. but specs very similar to the R5 and nearly as good autofocus as Sony and Canon and seems to be an excellent camera but really are Canon (or Sony) users going to sell their gear and switch to Nikon ?

I think there's a specialised market for a high resolution Canon body and Canon will probably make a high mp version of the R5 to meet the needs of those hoping for such a camera but this won't be their flagship R1 which will be another sports/photo-journalised high speed rugged body of medium resolution.

Personally I'd like Canon to make an R2 camera based on the R3 with high resolution for wildlife but I doubt it'll happen even though it may be a good seller

We'll just have to wait to see what the R1 turns out like but I doubt it'll be soon.