The Canon EOS R1 will come well before the EOS R5 Mark II [CR3]

I guess I'm old school but an R1 with less resolution than my R5 is a non-starter for me. FPS is at the bottom of the third page of my "wants." As a film shooter going from 35mm to 6x6 or 6x7 is a massive difference in image quality. I skipped the R3 because it had fewer megapixels than my old 80D and so it's starting to sound like the R5 II is closer to my hand than an R1. All of these fancy gimmicks sound nice but image quality and resolution are where it's at IMHO.
 
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Besides the form factor, what have been the historical advantages of the "1" bodies? Or, in other words, what has distinguished them from the next best Canon bodies? And, is the R3 a pro sports/wildlife photographer's replacement for 1DX?
Generally speaking the "1" bodies are built to very high standards of reliability and buffer depth. I once dropped a 1-series camera 5 feet onto concrete. Picked it back up and worked fine.
 
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Completely agree with you, I work for a R & D company and we never design "from scratch" components. That's just not how the industry works.

I'm tired of people spreading baseless nonsense without any knowledge. These claims just muddy the waters more then they need to be.
Its just marketing man. Its all about lies that are true, from a certain point of view.

New digic, new EVF, New LCD, New Body shape, New battery = 'no parts reused'.
 
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I guess I'm old school but an R1 with less resolution than my R5 is a non-starter for me. FPS is at the bottom of the third page of my "wants." As a film shooter going from 35mm to 6x6 or 6x7 is a massive difference in image quality. I skipped the R3 because it had fewer megapixels than my old 80D and so it's starting to sound like the R5 II is closer to my hand than an R1. All of these fancy gimmicks sound nice but image quality and resolution are where it's at IMHO.
They have generally been speed-forward cameras in terms of priority. Sports and PJs - fast and rugged. Not an all arounder like the 5 series.

Brian
 
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I guess I'm old school but an R1 with less resolution than my R5 is a non-starter for me. FPS is at the bottom of the third page of my "wants." As a film shooter going from 35mm to 6x6 or 6x7 is a massive difference in image quality. I skipped the R3 because it had fewer megapixels than my old 80D and so it's starting to sound like the R5 II is closer to my hand than an R1. All of these fancy gimmicks sound nice but image quality and resolution are where it's at IMHO.
If FPS is less important than MP, then a 5 series camera has always been more appropriate for you than a 1. I mean, 20 MP camera have only been out what, 15 years? So you can't be *that* old school.
 
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What I see when I read this take on the updated rumors is, Canon pivoted or went with the second sensor they were considering. A while back, there was a rumor that they hadn't locked down the sensor they planned to use yet. I see the possible choices were either a high res stacked conventional sensor or a low res global sensor (global sensors are almost always stacked). With this rumor, if it has any validity... I think it's an indication of Canon reverting to its low res global sensor. Could be the reason they never released their 20 MP FF global sensor on the industrial market as expected last year. Considering these rumors date back a year or so, it's possible they could pivot and push production either way from that time.

On the flip side, I think that bodes well for a R5 Mark II though. If they were developing a high res stacked sensor for the R1 and decided to go with the global sensor, they won't waste that development. It will either go in the R5 or R3 replacements (if there even is to be a replacement for the R3, two low res flagships make no sense).
 
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Completely agree with you, I work for a R & D company and we never design "from scratch" components. That's just not how the industry works.

I'm tired of people spreading baseless nonsense without any knowledge. These claims just muddy the waters more then they need to be.
"New" does not mean "from scratch" when it comes to Canon.
The R7 has a new sensor but it is quite clearly based on the sensor in the 90D.
 
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I’m extremely skeptical about this rumor, and don’t put a lot of faith in it. The summer Olympics are coming and Canon will want to make a hard splash with their latest and greatest. Their more recently released RF lenses definitely show the Olympics are on Canon’s mind. No doubt they will have the R1 ready to go but I believe the R5mkII will also be there for the video shooters. These are just my thoughts so they are worth less than the bits and bytes it took to display on your screen.
 
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Canon R1 developers aren't particularly interested in joe bloggs who wants to buy the R1 as its the latest gadget in town with all the bells and whistles. The R1 will be like its predecessors, primarily aimed at the commercial side of the market ie those who make a living from using it sports and news media outlets. The R3 provided a taster for many of those same outlets and now that many have moved to the mirrorless side, then the R1 will be the next step up. Bottom line, it will have to iron out some of the wrinkles experienced by some users with the R3/R5 and R6 to bring a fast, sturdy and reliable beast that can withstand all conditions and abuses thrown at it. I'll look forward to getting my hands on one in the near future. Lets just hope the price is not prohibitive.
 
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As some of the posters, this rumor feels inconsistent to me. Sure, rumors are rumors and inconsistencies are par for the course (look at all the rumors about the upcoming (?) 35mm fast RF prime :rolleyes: ), but, let me put it this way, I hope this rumor is incorrect, not about timeframes but about resolution.

In any case, I guess on the good side, a low(ish) res R1 (i.e. <45mp) will make my decision easy: I will wait for the R5 II. And my wallet will be happier :)
The R5 being "late" does not bother me too much since the R5 works great and I am happy to "invest" in glass in the meantime
 
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Sounds like Canon is giving up on even remotely trying to be the leader in the camera race. Nikon and Sony are laughing all the way to the bank with the thoughts of a 24mp R1 while they have nearly double that resolution in their flagships. Why even bother with an R1 if it will have the same basic specs as the R3? Personally, I'd like to see some more lens options if they're just going to waste our time with camera bodies that nobody wants.
 
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Some people are finding this rumor 'inconsistent'. But with what? I suspect they mean 'inconsistent with MY wants/needs/expectations'. Sorry, but BFD.

OTOH, this rumor seems perfectly consistent with Canon's treatment of the 1D X-series bodies all along. They declaratively united the 1D and 1Ds into a single line, and did not prioritize high sensor resolution for that line. The 'high MP R1' that some people want is what would actually be inconsistent, whereas a modest MP count and overall blazing fast performance and reliability would be perfectly consistent with the recent 1-series bodies.

I see people saying, but what about the R3II? First of all, will there even be an R3II? It could be the R3 was a one-off, Canon said at the time there would be an R1 but the technology was not sufficiently advanced. Apparently now, it is. So maybe no R3II at all. Alternatively, an R3II could have a global shutter, it seems unlikely Canon would use that in the R1. In any case, if the R1 comes out in Q2, it will be 2.5 years after the launch of the R3 so potential buyers would include both 1DX II/III owners and R3 owners.
 
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Sounds like Canon is giving up on even remotely trying to be the leader in the camera race.
Sounds like you've given up on even remotely paying attention to facts. Canon cares about selling the most cameras, and they've done that consistently for the past 20+ years, and dominated the market with a nearly 50% market share for the past several. They are the #1 selling brand of digital camera, ILC, DSLR and mirrorless worldwide. Try to pay attention to the real world, it will make you sound less foolish.
 
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