The Canon EOS R1 will come well before the EOS R5 Mark II [CR3]
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cryI would be beyond shocked if the R1 had a lower than 45 megapixel sensor with what we are currently expecting as a flagship body. There's been wild speculation at 100 megapixels and such online. I suspect it falls in the 45-85 megapixel range.
However. If the body is positioned differently and they plan something like an R1s, harkening back to the 1Ds days, I can see launching something lower resolution potentially and moving high resolution to another body.
R5 MK II. My hopes would be Canon building on R5's sensor design, but they could now make this high resolution platform while breaking off and created a new body to replace the R5C with a different sensor.
This is actually a difficult position currently as there is a demand for a higher resolution stills oriented camera as well as a new Canon Cinema EOS camera.
My real hopes in terms of the product line, whatever they are called.
- Build on R5's sensor tech, perhaps go to BSI, global shutter not needed just yet, allow for full 3:2 recording up to 60fps, perhaps 120fps in 17:9, this could be cinema camera.
- A very focused high resolution, high dynamic range stills RF mount body. I'd lean closer to the 75-85 megapixel realm given what's possible. 65-ish also not a bad choice.
There's lots of new in camera features I'm looking for, but I'll save that for another moment.
The R5 and R5C have been wildly successful and represent a very good value. Clearly these are things to build on. An R5C in say something closer to C70 body or a new C500/C700 class camera, but smaller, with internal ND would sell well if there are improvements to the sensor design for instance. And for stills the R5 as is wonderful, but for those who knew how to get the most out of a 5Ds or 5DsR or are looking at "middle format" medium format sensors for professional work, Canon needs to make up some space here.
However. If the body is positioned differently and they plan something like an R1s, harkening back to the 1Ds days, I can see launching something lower resolution potentially and moving high resolution to another body.
R5 MK II. My hopes would be Canon building on R5's sensor design, but they could now make this high resolution platform while breaking off and created a new body to replace the R5C with a different sensor.
This is actually a difficult position currently as there is a demand for a higher resolution stills oriented camera as well as a new Canon Cinema EOS camera.
My real hopes in terms of the product line, whatever they are called.
- Build on R5's sensor tech, perhaps go to BSI, global shutter not needed just yet, allow for full 3:2 recording up to 60fps, perhaps 120fps in 17:9, this could be cinema camera.
- A very focused high resolution, high dynamic range stills RF mount body. I'd lean closer to the 75-85 megapixel realm given what's possible. 65-ish also not a bad choice.
There's lots of new in camera features I'm looking for, but I'll save that for another moment.
The R5 and R5C have been wildly successful and represent a very good value. Clearly these are things to build on. An R5C in say something closer to C70 body or a new C500/C700 class camera, but smaller, with internal ND would sell well if there are improvements to the sensor design for instance. And for stills the R5 as is wonderful, but for those who knew how to get the most out of a 5Ds or 5DsR or are looking at "middle format" medium format sensors for professional work, Canon needs to make up some space here.
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Not quite, and the 1DS series was sunsetted long ago. Why? Well, they either did it 1) to anger and disappoint forum dwellers like us who live and breathe spec sheets, or 2) because the market for that type of camera was not strong enough to support it. Which do you think is the more likely reason?
A nebulous rumor such as 'not as high res as people think' is pretty useless. if i think its going to be 45mp and now I'm worried its only going to be 30, and you think it was going to be 100mp and now you're crushed it might only be 80, and that girl over in the corner thought it might e 35mp and is now worried it could be 24.....
There's no baseline against which to speculate, other than past speculation or individual impressions. Likely all 3 of us are worrying over an outcome that we are wrong about. Best history is that the R1 has been blazing fast and rugged, and not always the highest resolution camera around. In this day and age, it could do that with anywhere from 24-50mp I would guess.
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The 1D X-series was 18, 20 and 20 MP. But you'd be shocked if they don't at least double and more likely triple or quadruple that MP count. Shocked, you say. Mmmmkay.
Remember the 5Ds? If there's a 'high resolution' (by current standards) body, it will most likely be a 5-series, not a 1-series.
Of course there is demand. At least 5 people on this very forum have demanded it. LOL. The real question is the magnitude of that demand from people who would actually purchase such a camera. Who do you think is in a better position to gauge that demand – you, or Canon?
Keep in mind that Canon remains the dominant player in the market, so citing the fact that Sony and Nikon offer higher MP bodies is a red herring – you could argue that Sony and Nikon are doing that because customers want it, and while some do a more likely reason is that they offer those bodies because Canon does not. It's why Fuji focuses on high end APS-C and MF. It's why Sony abandoned DSLRs, and why they shifted to an emphasis on FF MILC just after Canon launched an APS-C MILC.
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A very factual post. I always kind of wished the "1" would be higher R, but if history is any prediction of the future it will likely be 24-36 MP range. Good reason to also have a R5 as a second camera.
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Canon 1 series professional photographers shoot both indoors and outdoors, so they need bigger pixels for low-light performance. They also need speed - processing and offload to media (so dual CF- E USB 4.0 cards that can transfer 3 GB per sec!). Shooting indoor Olympic events or the press events and medal ceremonies require no more than 24 MP to 32 MP. 4K video at 120 or even 240 fps would be better for slow motion than any 8K video - nobody views 8K video content on their smartphone or tablet anywhere in the world. The Canon R1 will be used by pro photogs at France 2024. These folks with 600 f4 or 800 f5.6 lenses care about speed, AF and DR. All Canon have to do is include an AI chip alongside the new X2S processor (or whatever they will call it) for improved AF subject recognition (like Sony have done with the A7RV), or...if they have developed QPAF (we still do not know for sure), then that would be a game changer.
As an R5 user I am happy that the R1 will be released before the R5II, that way, it shall share some of the new tech (presumably same processor, similar AF etc.), and moreover I am ecstatic that my old R5 is still the flagship
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As an R5 user I am happy that the R1 will be released before the R5II, that way, it shall share some of the new tech (presumably same processor, similar AF etc.), and moreover I am ecstatic that my old R5 is still the flagship
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That would mean no R5mk2 in the hands of foto journalist etc during the spring and summer months. Canon wouldn't possibly be planning on a late release long after prime shooting time and after the 2024 summer Olympics in Paris. More subjects to shoot other than "sports" in Paris.
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A low mp R1 will not be the tool of choice all around Paris. Maybe fotogs may choose an R1 for sporting events. But it is not the tool of choice to use carry all around Paris during the summer.Canon 1 series professional photographers shoot both indoors and outdoors, so they need bigger pixels for low-light performance. They also need speed - processing and offload to media (so dual CF- E USB 4.0 cards that can transfer 3 GB per sec!). Shooting indoor Olympic events or the press events and medal ceremonies require no more than 24 MP to 32 MP. 4K video at 120 or even 240 fps would be better for slow motion than any 8K video - nobody views 8K video content on their smartphone or tablet anywhere in the world. The Canon R1 will be used by pro photogs at France 2024. These folks with 600 f4 or 800 f5.6 lenses care about speed, AF and DR. All Canon have to do is include an AI chip alongside the new X2S processor (or whatever they will call it) for improved AF subject recognition (like Sony have done with the A7RV), or...if they have developed QPAF (we still do not know for sure), then that would be a game changer.
As an R5 user I am happy that the R1 will be released before the R5II, that way, it shall share some of the new tech (presumably same processor, similar AF etc.), and moreover I am ecstatic that my old R5 is still the flagship
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A low mp R1 will not be the tool of choice all around Paris. Maybe fotogs may choose an R1 for sporting events. But it is not going to be the tool of choice to use and carry all around Paris during the summer.Canon 1 series professional photographers shoot both indoors and outdoors, so they need bigger pixels for low-light performance. They also need speed - processing and offload to media (so dual CF- E USB 4.0 cards that can transfer 3 GB per sec!). Shooting indoor Olympic events or the press events and medal ceremonies require no more than 24 MP to 32 MP. 4K video at 120 or even 240 fps would be better for slow motion than any 8K video - nobody views 8K video content on their smartphone or tablet anywhere in the world. The Canon R1 will be used by pro photogs at France 2024. These folks with 600 f4 or 800 f5.6 lenses care about speed, AF and DR. All Canon have to do is include an AI chip alongside the new X2S processor (or whatever they will call it) for improved AF subject recognition (like Sony have done with the A7RV), or...if they have developed QPAF (we still do not know for sure), then that would be a game changer.
As an R5 user I am happy that the R1 will be released before the R5II, that way, it shall share some of the new tech (presumably same processor, similar AF etc.), and moreover I am ecstatic that my old R5 is still the flagship
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Consumers will simply choose other higher megapixel choises. No need to wait for the R5Mk2 then, since there is already a fujifilm GFX100 II available. Other options exist. Very few people will be shooting only "sports" in Paris.
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Wow, that'll be a shocker if the R5II matches the R1's slightly lower MP sensor resolution...a replacement that's got less MP than it's predecessor.
38mp maybe? Then maybe a R5s with 65mp?
38mp maybe? Then maybe a R5s with 65mp?
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Canon 1 series professional photographers shoot both indoors and outdoors, so they need bigger pixels for low-light performance. They also need speed - processing and offload to media (so dual CF- E USB 4.0 cards that can transfer 3 GB per sec!). Shooting indoor Olympic events or the press events and medal ceremonies require no more than 24 MP to 32 MP. 4K video at 120 or even 240 fps would be better for slow motion than any 8K video - nobody views 8K video content on their smartphone or tablet anywhere in the world. The Canon R1 will be used by pro photogs at France 2024. These folks with 600 f4 or 800 f5.6 lenses care about speed, AF and DR. All Canon have to do is include an AI chip alongside the new X2S processor (or whatever they will call it) for improved AF subject recognition (like Sony have done with the A7RV), or...if they have developed QPAF (we still do not know for sure), then that would be a game changer.
As an R5 user I am happy that the R1 will be released before the R5II, that way, it shall share some of the new tech (presumably same processor, similar AF etc.), and moreover I am ecstatic that my old R5 is still the flagship
The stadium lights are excellent at the Olympics so that's not a problem. Most photographers are sending pics via FTP wired or wireless or download only tagged images from card to laptop so card speed is also not a bottleneck. AF is already very good in say a R3. I think the photographers have many other challenges: time schedule, finding a good spot, fatigue, wifi or 4/5 g connections that not work etc.
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If the R1 comes in at 32-36 MP and is a stacked sensor (as opposed to global shutter), then what would be the selling point of the R1 over today's R3?
32 megapixels (as opposed to the R3's 24 megapixels) is a 15% increase in linear resolution, not something to write home about.
QPAF? It will have to be seen how much of a leap QPAF is over DPAF (if QPAF is indeed available). I suspect in real world situations it might not make that much of a difference. Other brands do very well in autofocus with just phase detect pixels scattered across the sensor, so I think algorithms matter more than the sensor tech itself at this point.
More fps is a given, but the R3 already has 30 fps and I don't think people are complaining it is too slow. I guess the R6 Mark II can do 40 fps, so we can expect at least that. Even 50 or 60 fps doesn't seem that compelling over an R3, unless they bump it up to 100+ fps with AE/AF.
Build quality over an R3? I think the R3 has 1 series build quality. The R3 even uses the same battery traditionally reserved for the 1 series.
32 megapixels (as opposed to the R3's 24 megapixels) is a 15% increase in linear resolution, not something to write home about.
QPAF? It will have to be seen how much of a leap QPAF is over DPAF (if QPAF is indeed available). I suspect in real world situations it might not make that much of a difference. Other brands do very well in autofocus with just phase detect pixels scattered across the sensor, so I think algorithms matter more than the sensor tech itself at this point.
More fps is a given, but the R3 already has 30 fps and I don't think people are complaining it is too slow. I guess the R6 Mark II can do 40 fps, so we can expect at least that. Even 50 or 60 fps doesn't seem that compelling over an R3, unless they bump it up to 100+ fps with AE/AF.
Build quality over an R3? I think the R3 has 1 series build quality. The R3 even uses the same battery traditionally reserved for the 1 series.
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Sorry but what's "BFD"?
For me the rumor is inconsistent with other rumors about the R1 and the R3 II (same as for the 35mm and others).
They're all rumors so I will wait for official announcements. Same as for the 35mm (although I'm a lil' bit more invested in that one)...
In the past we had 2 families of 1D bodies, a APS-H fast low res body and a FF slower high-res body. Canon could very well decide to do the same with the R3 / R1 couple, or to keep the R1 in the wake of the 1D X type. I do not know. I only know what I hope it will happen...
I've had a 1D X and, while there was a lot to like about it, and that's the reason I would be interested in a R1, I have decided long time ago that I am not interested in a body with less mp than a R5. If both R1 and R5 II won't improve on resolution I will happily carry on with the R5 and invest in more glass and wait for the following generation.
But for sure I won't decide anything based on rumors. I will wait for the announcements (with specs).
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The ‘1’? Probably dual matching card slots, a faster sensor readout (the R3 is still slightly slower than a mechanical shutter), plus the customizations normally found on the 1-series (ability to set a frame rate, not predefined choices).
Oh, and AF point-linked spot metering.
The R3 (like all DPAF-only cameras) cannot focus on horizontal lines. Also, it has trouble with extreme defocus (better PDAF sensors had specific line pairs for extreme defocus detection). Hopefully the R1 addresses both.
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