The Canon EOS R1 will come well before the EOS R5 Mark II [CR3]

[bbasiaga]

Consumers will simply choose other higher megapixel choises. No need to wait for the R5Mk2 then, since there is already a fujifilm GFX100 II available. Other options exist. Very few people will be shooting only "sports" in Paris.

About zero consumers travelling to the olympics were going to buy an R1 for the occasion anyway. The widest majority will bring their cell phone. A few enthusiasts will have R6/5/3 or the Sony or Nikon equivalents. I would guess single digits of them may upgrade to a medium format Fuji system for the occasion.

I expect a bunch of Pros to have pre-release R1s though. A bunch may have A1mkIIs as well.

Brian

 

[Pixel]

And yet, many car-industry examples seem to contradict you.
EOS R1: I agree with you, it will never be a "from scratch" design, no chance (fortunately).

As the first "mirrorless" flagship, I would fully expect it to be redesigned from scratch. Makes perfect sense to me.

 

[mariosk1gr]

My opinion and my perspective is that Canon has to solve first a few missing things that competition offers to it\'s cameras already. First the addition of c-log2 which is mandatory, ofc no 30m limit which makes sense since r6m2 and especially no overheating and w/o a fan inside. Now if Canon wants to lead again with R1 it needs to have some special characteristics and additions that will help the product to separate from the competition. GS is ready for the market now as already some brands have release their products with GS sensors (Red, Sony etc). It would be very nice for Canon to put a GS sensor inside R1 which is the flagship camera... it\'s the camera imo that must has it! Qpaf... we are hearing for so many years about the next iteration of Dpaf and still have seen nothing from Canon. I think if it\'s ready then R1 again is the perfect camera to have it... great for fast action, sports scenes for stills and video! As for the MPs I believe that it has to be at least 45mp. That is because Nikon and Sony have already it\'s flagship cameras which are in that spot of mps and offer 8k. 8k may not be for everyone but it\'s already in the game the last 3 years and the camera industry adopts it more and more often.

 

[Pixel]

About zero consumers travelling to the olympics were going to buy an R1 for the occasion anyway. The widest majority will bring their cell phone. A few enthusiasts will have R6/5/3 or the Sony or Nikon equivalents. I would guess single digits of them may upgrade to a medium format Fuji system for the occasion.

I expect a bunch of Pros to have pre-release R1s though. A bunch may have A1mkIIs as well.

Brian

I expect the flagship will be announced and "shipping" before the Olympics. And I also expect there will be gobs of the cameras available from the onsite CPS office to any of the credentialed press there.

 

[Bob Howland]

Pinning down Canon’s roadmap for camera bodies is usually a fools errand, but every now and then we make some progress. 2024 will focus on the prosumer and professional level cameras in Canon’s line-up and that will include the long awaited Canon EOS R1. The Canon EOS R1 will be come “well before” the Canon

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My wild guess begins with a single number: 1371MP/sec for an unlimited number of jpg frames.. That is what the Nikon Z8 and Z9 do and the Z8 does it for $4000. The R3 only does 723MP/sec while the R6-2 (and maybe, the R8) does 960MP/sec. I'm going to assume that the R1 will match the Z8 and Z9 figures and will also do it at 40fps, same as the R6-2. That gives 34.275 MP/frame. That's it. That's my guess.

 

[Quack]

Just honestly curious why people even care if the R1 is considered the leading flagship compared to Nikon or Sony. What does it matter to you personally? I would think the only thing to consider is "Is this a camera I want to buy, or not?"
On a similar vein, why be concerned about how well the camera sells, or why would someone buy it is they already have an R3? It seems like the only thing one should care about is whether they want to buy it, or not.

 

[Quack]

The 1D X-series was 18, 20 and 20 MP. But you'd be shocked if they don't at least double and more likely triple or quadruple that MP count. Shocked, you say. Mmmmkay.

Remember the 5Ds? If there's a 'high resolution' (by current standards) body, it will most likely be a 5-series, not a 1-series.


Of course there is demand. At least 5 people on this very forum have demanded it. LOL. The real question is the magnitude of that demand from people who would actually purchase such a camera. Who do you think is in a better position to gauge that demand – you, or Canon?

Keep in mind that Canon remains the dominant player in the market, so citing the fact that Sony and Nikon offer higher MP bodies is a red herring – you could argue that Sony and Nikon are doing that because customers want it, and while some do a more likely reason is that they offer those bodies because Canon does not. It's why Fuji focuses on high end APS-C and MF. It's why Sony abandoned DSLRs, and why they shifted to an emphasis on FF MILC just after Canon launched an APS-C MILC.

I think what people seem to forget or not realize, is that different companies have different philosophies and approaches. You should choose your brand based on that, rather than expect your brand to suddenly decide they want to be more like "that" brand.

 

[rmblack]

Ugh...I don't think my 5Dmk3 is going to last another year. Wish the canuck was still around to salt these cr5s.

 

[Bonich]

- no R5MkII in the box!

This camera is destined to fail no doubt.

Was there ever a canon body not to fail?????

 

[Bonich]

And yet, many car-industry examples seem to contradict you.
EOS R1: I agree with you, it will never be a "from scratch" design, no chance (fortunately).

Just give us a single example of the car industry!
There is no ...

 

[John Wilde]

Putting the latest rumors together we will receive a R1 with...

- no global shutter

After reading DPR's "Sony a9 III: Global shutter comes with an image quality cost", the lack of a global shutter sounds like a good thing.

 

[John Wilde]

Just honestly curious why people even care if the R1 is considered the leading flagship compared to Nikon or Sony.

Because the world is a better place when Sony Fanboys are sad.

 

[justaCanonuser]

Anyone familiar with product development (in any field) knows that using entirely new components is a recipe for disaster, in terms of timeline, reliability, unforeseen issues, cost, etc. It's also why as a consumer you never buy a first gen product.

Highly unlikely Canon would do that for what is targeted to be their top workhorse professional camera. That thing needs to just work.

You nailed it!

 

[bbasiaga]

My wild guess begins with a single number: 1371MP/sec for an unlimited number of jpg frames.. That is what the Nikon Z8 and Z9 do and the Z8 does it for $4000. The R3 only does 723MP/sec while the R6-2 (and maybe, the R8) does 960MP/sec. I'm going to assume that the R1 will match the Z8 and Z9 figures and will also do it at 40fps, same as the R6-2. That gives 34.275 MP/frame. That's it. That's my guess.

If they put in the hardware to take advantage of the new CFX-b 4.0 cards, and use two of them, they could beat that data rate easily. Right now the internals of the 6/5/3 bodies is limited by the UHS-II slot. An R1 could house a bigger pipeline and push larger files at that frame rate, or smaller files at even higher frame rates.

Brian

 

[Del Paso]

Just give us a single example of the car industry!
There is no ...

Mercedes A class 1 & 2.
Totally different bodies, suspensions, transmissions, engines, upholsteries, GPS, info-electronics...
Renault Twingo latest and former generation, Corvette (OK, the engine, partly) etc...

 

[AlanF]

Mercedes A class 1 & 2.

Had both. Mistake twice.

 

[domo_p1000]

I remain amazed that readers of the numerous rumour sites take to heart any of the long-distance rumours. Canon is notoriously tight-lipped about the development of their pro bodies. The R1 has been rumoured at 100+MP, then 85MP, then 45MP... I suspect and hope for something around 30MP, in the form factor of the 1DXIII, with dramatically improved AF and FPS. Basically, a chunkier R3+++. No GS, no super-high MP, no magical pixie-horses, just an 'incremental' development (allowing for the huge developmental change from SLR to mirrorless) of the 1DXIII. It will cost what it costs, and in the UK it will cost more than anywhere else in the world.

 

[Quarkcharmed]

Was there ever a canon body not to fail?????

Nope. Every single one of them was to fail, according to this reliable rumours forum.

 

[John Wilde]

That would mean no R5mk2 in the hands of foto journalist etc during the spring and summer months. Canon wouldn't possibly be planning on a late release long after prime shooting time and after the 2024 summer Olympics in Paris. More subjects to shoot other than "sports" in Paris.

As the name implies, the R1 is Canon's #1 development priority. Other models can wait. And at the Olympics, Canon wouldn't want another new model distracting from their R1 marketing hype.

 

[Bob Howland]

That sounds like hyperbole, and is almost certainly not true. Anyone familiar with product development (in any field) knows that using entirely new components is a recipe for disaster, in terms of timeline, reliability, unforeseen issues, cost, etc. It's also why as a consumer you never buy a first gen product.

Highly unlikely Canon would do that for what is targeted to be their top workhorse professional camera. That thing needs to just work.

With lots of new components, the product needs to be heavily tested in a variety of situations. That takes time and costs money, lots of it. It's easier and cheaper to use proven components in a proven design but that doesn't give you a cutting edge product.