The Canon EOS R5 Mark II – We have now seen it

Man this is so upsetting for me..

uhm... getting upset about a camera that hasn't been announced yet? boohoo :rolleyes:

The Canon 6D has built in WiFi and GPS and the screen is larger than the R5’s and the FX3’s!

Rear LCD, incorrect. Top screen, maybe but the R5 is muuuuuuuch nicer to look at IMO.

The cooling system makes the camera huge and chunkier than the R5c and probably a lot heavier..

As above, we haven't got any pics of the camera yet. The chunky cooling system is an addon grip. The R5ii body will be similar to the current one.

Oh yea and the Canon 6D doesn’t have a 60 minute record limit
Correct. It had a 30min limit before stopping ;)
 
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If the R5 Mark II is to be marketed as a hybrid camera, having internal ND filters would be a huge selling point. This was one of the reasons the C70 did so well, and why many people chose it over the R5C. Plus, it's not just videographers who would benefit - landscape and portrait photographers would too. There are already patents showing how it could work in an R5 body. Honestly, it can't be that hard to do, especially when even the Fuji X100V has an internal ND filter, right?
Consider canon just teased Cinema camera on its Chanel’s and that camera looks like FF c70 this could mean no R5c mk2
 
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Why? Does it seem likely that many users will switch systems? Forum participants don't represent the real world...people here seem to believe that Canon must entice Sony users to buy Canon cameras or Canon users to not buy Sony cameras. The reality is more likely that Canon needs to entice Canon users to buy new Canon cameras instead of just hanging on to the Canon cameras they have.

The strategy of a market leader is typically not the same as a market follower trying to make gains.
Agreed 100%, so tell me how is Canon offering a camera that rivals a 3 year old body supposed to entice me as a Canon user with tens of thousands of dollars invested in the system to dump more money into the system? Don't get me wrong, I think the R5 Mark II will be a great camera but seeing these specs that are so similar to the a1 knowing that the a1 II is right around the corner and will just immediately leapfrog it does not make me want to drop another $4k on a Canon body.
 
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Agreed 100%, so tell me how is Canon offering a camera that rivals a 3 year old body supposed to entice me as a Canon user with tens of thousands of dollars invested in the system to dump more money into the system? Don't get me wrong, I think the R5 Mark II will be a great camera but seeing these specs that are so similar to the a1 knowing that the a1 II is right around the corner and will just immediately leapfrog it does not make me want to drop another $4k on a Canon body.
Do you buy a Canon camera because it beats all competitors or do you buy a Canon camera because it suits your real needs ?
To know that the A1II will leapfrog the R5II is anecdotic, it will not change my/your own requirements.
But will still don't know if the R5II matches A1's specs or is better...
 
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Agreed 100%, so tell me how is Canon offering a camera that rivals a 3 year old body supposed to entice me as a Canon user with tens of thousands of dollars invested in the system to dump more money into the system? Don't get me wrong, I think the R5 Mark II will be a great camera but seeing these specs that are so similar to the a1 knowing that the a1 II is right around the corner and will just immediately leapfrog it does not make me want to drop another $4k on a Canon body.
The jump from the R5/R5ii price point to the a1 is very similar to the jump from the a7iv to the R5.

Guess the a7iv was a big failure when Sony released it and it didn't come even close to the then over a year old R5.
 
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Agreed 100%, so tell me how is Canon offering a camera that rivals a 3 year old body supposed to entice me as a Canon user with tens of thousands of dollars invested in the system to dump more money into the system?
It’s probably not. Very few in-line camera updates offer significant improvements over their immediate predecessor. Likewise, probably very few camera owners upgrade their camera every 3 years. Rather, the main target market for the R5II comprises owners of 5- and 6-series DSLRs and owners of the original R and R6 owners. For those people, the R5II would likely represent a compelling upgrade.
 
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Seems like a lot of people in here are all worked up on what the camera is or is not going to be. I mean, nothing has been announced. It’s all vapourware until there’s a concrete product you can buy. We’ve got a couple rumour nuggets to stress over, but how that all comes together is way up in the air. No use stressing or freaking out over why one decision over another until we have something concrete to actually scrutinize.
 
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Agreed 100%, so tell me how is Canon offering a camera that rivals a 3 year old body supposed to entice me as a Canon user with tens of thousands of dollars invested in the system to dump more money into the system? Don't get me wrong, I think the R5 Mark II will be a great camera but seeing these specs that are so similar to the a1 knowing that the a1 II is right around the corner and will just immediately leapfrog it does not make me want to drop another $4k on a Canon body.
Neither the A1ii nor the R5ii are on the market so no-one knows how they compare or why someone would buy one over the other. However, the R5 and A1 weren’t really targeting the same market given by the price difference between the bodies. I don’t suspect either camera’s successors will change their respective strategies to compete directly, so one reason to pick the R5ii would likely end up being your previous investment in canon glass in addition to a body which may be 30% cheaper. Whether that’s meaningful to your needs or not is a different story. For me, the improvements of the a1 over the R5, combined with the need to cycle all my lenses, and pay a ~30% additional premium wouldn’t make any sense if the R5ii and A1ii follow their predecessors market segmentation. I need absolutely no speed increase, no auto focus improvements, no ibis improvements, no video improvements, but I care a lot about image quality, weather sealing, usability, and certainly the needed investment for those improvements. I definitely don’t need my R5ii to be an R1 price point. But again, everyone’s needs are different, so you mileage may vary!
 
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wow, so just to sum up, great new camera at around $3999 which means some of will wait a year or 2 to even condider buying one . And cooling via external cooling grip, something we now NEED to buy ON TOP OF the camera cost to get the cooling features, that somehow COULDN'T be incorporated into the camera body itself? So canon is screwing us twice with the same product? This will be joy turning to despair for some people.
 
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I'd say that's silly to even think that would happen. That's totally a cinema camera thing and would require the camera to grow.
Not silly, but I don't think it's likely until Canon's done it at least once. Electronic ND does not require the camera to grow.

Fuji FLAWLESSLY implemented internal electronic ND in the X100 VI and I now think that should be a staple feature on every camera. Totally removes the need for threaded ND filters in many cases. Utilitarian feature that all can benefit from, making it perfect for the all-rounder category the R5 falls in.

That said, I have seen nothing suggesting that the R1 has it, so in Canon's case, I doubt the R5 would either...
 
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wow, so just to sum up, great new camera at around $3999 which means some of will wait a year or 2 to even condider buying one . And cooling via external cooling grip, something we now NEED to buy ON TOP OF the camera cost to get the cooling features, that somehow COULDN'T be incorporated into the camera body itself? So canon is screwing us twice with the same product? This will be joy turning to despair for some people.
Well, 'we' only need to buy the specialised cooling grip (if the rumour is true BTW) if 'we' actually need it. Not everyone will use the R5 II for extended video shooting - so why on earth would the base camera need the sort of cooling that this involves? Which, for most stills and occasional / hybrid video users, would otherwise represent a significant increase in weight and expense for something they won't use.
 
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Well, 'we' only need to buy the specialised cooling grip (if the rumour is true BTW) if 'we' actually need it. Not everyone will use the R5 II for extended video shooting - so why on earth would the base camera need the sort of cooling that this involves? Which, for most stills and occasional / hybrid video users, would otherwise represent a significant increase in weight and expense for something they won't use.
Precisely. If it is the case that Canon is combining the R5 and R5C into one product line with the R5II, I would like some bits of cooling to be optional if I am only going to use it as a stills camera. The alternative would be for Canon to release an R5II and an R5CII.

It is the same trade-off as with the 24-105Z. I bought it to use purely for photography (I don't shoot video), so I am glad that Canon is not forcing me to buy a power zoom accessory along with the lens, or having it packaged into the lens, adding weight and cost that I don't want.
 
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Agreed 100%, so tell me how is Canon offering a camera that rivals a 3 year old body supposed to entice me as a Canon user with tens of thousands of dollars invested in the system to dump more money into the system? Don't get me wrong, I think the R5 Mark II will be a great camera but seeing these specs that are so similar to the a1 knowing that the a1 II is right around the corner and will just immediately leapfrog it does not make me want to drop another $4k on a Canon body.
Then go get your Sony A1. If you want the best spec sheet. Some of us understand a camera is more than a spec sheet. The joke will be on you when you spend thousands to switch to Sony and get the exact same results (at best) with the Sony A1 as you would get with your Canon.
 
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Man this is so upsetting for me..
The Canon 6D has built in WiFi and GPS and the screen is larger than the R5’s and the FX3’s!

I’ve always appreciated canon however, no R5c Mk.2 ?
If the R5 doesn’t have a cinema menu with those cinema options and codecs its making me want to switch to Sony.

The cooling system makes the camera huge and chunkier than the R5c and probably a lot heavier.. there is so much that could have been done to accommodate the heat correctly. It seems like a “slap and fix”

This really sucks..
I am really hoping cinema OS or some kind of form of it is on the R5 mk.2

By this point 4K HQ should not overheat.. at all..

Oh yea and the Canon 6D doesn’t have a 60 minute record limit..
Wtf is going on!? Lol
it takes alot of engineering to do GPS well inside of a metal body. the 1D series had GPS for one rendition, but I guess the pros didn't find it useful.

the 6D wasn't fully metal, as matter of fact, around the top housing a lot of it was engineering plastic to get the GPS in there.

the 6D also only had 1080p30.... and had more volume internally then mirrorless cameras by nature of the mirrorbox assembly, it's really impossible to do any sort of real world comparison in between the two.
 
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Agreed 100%, so tell me how is Canon offering a camera that rivals a 3 year old body supposed to entice me as a Canon user with tens of thousands of dollars invested in the system to dump more money into the system? Don't get me wrong, I think the R5 Mark II will be a great camera but seeing these specs that are so similar to the a1 knowing that the a1 II is right around the corner and will just immediately leapfrog it does not make me want to drop another $4k on a Canon body.

What are you going on about? I'm usually patient with people's opinions in here, but this is rediculous.

In what purple skied world is the $6500 camera body a direct competitor with a $4000 one and why would the $4000 need to feature match, when it's literally $2500 cheaper? I would hope for Sony's sake that the A1 II or whatever will be better than the R5. It would have to be to make up for their trashy ergonomics.

Should you be on twitter/x - because that seems like more the place for a post like this?
 
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So this means that BUILT-IN GPS will also NOT be implemented as this would also take up too much space??

Was this post on X (Twitter) based on something solid you heard from a source or only an educated guess? Do you still believe that the R5 Mark II will feature built-in GPS?
you do know I'm not Craig, yes?

He doesn't tell me everything, and even if he did - I can't share it.
 
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