The Canon EOS R5 Mark II – We have now seen it

[Richard CN]

wow, so just to sum up, great new camera at around $3999 which means some of will wait a year or 2 to even condider buying one . And cooling via external cooling grip, something we now NEED to buy ON TOP OF the camera cost to get the cooling features, that somehow COULDN'T be incorporated into the camera body itself? So canon is screwing us twice with the same product? This will be joy turning to despair for some people.

you are being overly dramatic.

I suspect the grip will be for shooting things like shooting video with increased recording durations, etc. so not everyone would need that. as you can see here, a lot of people would buy the camera for stills and have absolutely no need for it.

but for those interested in video, adding the grip can turn it into a more more compelling video camera.

this is literally and I mean literally what Canon should be doing. using a grip to further define functionality above the baseline.

 

[John Wilde]

I hope the Eye-AF isn't just inherited from the R3. I hope it's a new and improved system.

"So, in terms of the eye control system, or eye-controlled focus, we intend to deploy this to various other models as well. At the same time, we’d like to improve the performance and usability."

- Canon Execs, DPR interview, Mar 26, 2023

 

[DhlcadR6]

if it can shoot an electronic shutter at 14 bit (even if it's just single shot, 1 frame per second) I'd be a very happy event photographer!

So far only a9/a9ii is the one that unable to shoot 14bit in uncompressed RAW. It's a safe bet R5ii will do 14bit, regardless of burst modes.

Well I'd sure hope Canon can one up what will be a 3.5 year old camera when the R5II finally ships. But what will happen in Nov 2024 when the A1II comes out? 50MP @ 60FPS with flawless pre-capture implementation and who knows what other goodies Sony will have cooked up by then?
The R5II will have to sell at a significant discount to the A1II if it is going to only match the A1 in most of the fundamental features.

LOL

As an ex-A1 user, it's meaningless to compare a1 and R5. Yes you have a "superior" spec on paper, but the image quality difference is little. spending $2000 more just to feel "better"?

I'm right in another post. Sony-fans are full of people with superiority-complex issue.

Even back in 2020/2021 R5 is selling much more than A1 because the MSRP is lower in the first place.

A1 is pretty beaten by the cheaper Z8 with flash sync as exception. R5ii is better than a1 is for sure.

50MP with 60fps? I'm pretty sure you have to build $10000+ PCs/Macs to work with it, it'll be a nightmare for normal human beings but heaven for Sony fanbois.

Then go get your Sony A1. If you want the best spec sheet. Some of us understand a camera is more than a spec sheet. The joke will be on you when you spend thousands to switch to Sony and get the exact same results (at best) with the Sony A1 as you would get with your Canon.

I'm with you. A1 is overrated as the hidden caveats aren't exposed enough as $ony paid enough to keep major YouTubers (hello Gerald) silent.

 

[Michael Clark]

And to do that you have to anticipate, start firing a burst, and hope you get the 'perfect' frame.

You don't "have" to do it that way. Some guys did OK with one frame every couple of minutes shooting slow slide film with a flash in the rafters that took minutes to recharge. They just had to be able to time the first shot perfectly.



And just so you don't think Ali held that pose for several seconds, look at the video. He swung his arm from down at his right side to his left shoulder and back down to his right side in less than half a second, total movement. His right hand was at his left shoulder for a sheer fraction of a second.

 

[Michael Clark]

Agreed 100%, so tell me how is Canon offering a camera that rivals a 3 year old body supposed to entice me as a Canon user with tens of thousands of dollars invested in the system to dump more money into the system? Don't get me wrong, I think the R5 Mark II will be a great camera but seeing these specs that are so similar to the a1 knowing that the a1 II is right around the corner and will just immediately leapfrog it does not make me want to drop another $4k on a Canon body.

Then wait and drop $6,500+ on an α1 II and tens of thousands more on Sony e-mount lenses.

 

[Michael Clark]

Seems like a lot of people in here are all worked up on what the camera is or is not going to be. I mean, nothing has been announced. It’s all vapourware until there’s a concrete product you can buy. We’ve got a couple rumour nuggets to stress over, but how that all comes together is way up in the air. No use stressing or freaking out over why one decision over another until we have something concrete to actually scrutinize.

Where's the fun in that?

 

[P-visie]

I'm right in another post. Sony-fans are full of people with superiority-complex issue.

To quote Roger Cicala from 2018: “Sonyfanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy with other equipment".

Source: https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/20...etition-part-1-the-canon-400mm-f2-8-l-is-iii/

 

[Traveler]

Actually I don't get it why Canon would leave out a well liked and cheap smart controller but then include a much more complicated and expensive eye control AF sensor, where everyone I heard testing it said that it is a very interesting and fancy feature, but either it does't work will their eyes

I tried it at a Canon event and I was amazed how useful it was. I needed calibration and that was poorly implemented (even the representative couldn’t get it work for a while) but once calibration done,… it’s much better than any other methods. It’s smart and fast but still under my control

 

[Tony5787]

What are you going on about? I'm usually patient with people's opinions in here, but this is rediculous.

In what purple skied world is the $6500 camera body a direct competitor with a $4000 one and why would the $4000 need to feature match, when it's literally $2500 cheaper? I would hope for Sony's sake that the A1 II or whatever will be better than the R5. It would have to be to make up for their trashy ergonomics.

Should you be on twitter/x - because that seems like more the place for a post like this?

Because it’s the only actual body in Canon’s lineup that lines up with an a1/Z9? I don’t know how that’s such an absurd comparison, the a1 is already three years old and it’s probably going to see a discount sooner rather than later. Same thing with the Z9 which is $1k less (or the Z8 which is $500 less than the rumored R5 Mark II MSRP). I’m less concerned about how this will stack up against those cameras though and more so with how it’ll stack up with the next versions of those cameras when they’re probably released in the near future.

You’re right about the ergonomics, I’ve owned an a9 and an a9 II and sold both because I preferred shooting with the R3 (my R5 has collected dust after suffering lockups at the worst possible times across every firmware version Canon’s provided). The R3 has the best ergonomics of any camera I’ve shot with, I’d just like to have slightly faster bursts for certain situations and a bit more resolution because 24MP does break down if you have no choice but to crop.

 

[EOS 4 Life]

What does Sony 'OS' comment mean, please?

Sony calls the FX3 and FX30 cinema cameras but they run the OS from Sony's photo cameras.

 

[EOS 4 Life]

I'm stoked on the grip! It's always nice to see some of the patent discoveries turn into real products.

Imagine a world if they all did.

 

[EOS 4 Life]

This is very exciting. Especially the cooling solutions!!!

There are a some video centric things from R5C I would love to see in the R5

1. Shutter Angle options
2. Tooling. False Colors. Advanced Wave Forms, HDMI options for these
3. The R5c has a bit better dynamic range and better noise patterns in the shadows than the R5 so hopefully this is better the R5II as well. Some of this I think was due to the Cinema line's OS/Code.
4. Cinema Raw Codecs. I like these a lot better than I did the Canon Raw and Raw LT in the R5
5. I think the R5C had better highlight rolloff than the the R5 again probably due to algorithms in the cinema os. So I hope this comes over in some way to the R5II.
6. Obviously IBIS will be in the R5II so my question is will you be able to lock off IBIS in some way to make rougher filming scenarios more viable than the R5. R5C of course did not have IBIS.
7. Anamorphic Desqueeze Options in Camera.

Also, 12BIT Raw Output would be nice.

Hopefully some this info will come.

It is my understanding that the better DR and more processor intensive codecs were only possible due to the added cooling.

 

[EOS 4 Life]

the A1 is a $6500 camera - what exactly does it have to do with a $3999 camera that is around (checks notes) .. 39% less in price at launch? why would the R5 which isn't even the same categorization have to sell for far less?

The a1 is pretty much an overpriced Z 8 at this point.
The rumored R5 II specs are better in every way.

 

[EOS 4 Life]

I fear that this active cooling grip is an indication that certain video features like for example 8K60p or 4KHQ (oversampled full sensor readout 4K) with 60fps or 120fps (maybe we'll even get 4K180p?!) will only be available with the "active cooling grip" attached. Or will this grip only give us MORE recording time in these modes (8K60p, 4KHQ120p, 4K180p)?

What do you think?

I would think that would have more to do with power requirements than cooling requirements, see R5 C.

 

[EOS 4 Life]

R5ii is not a flagship, it will be released for around 4000 USD, that's around 60% of the price that the a1 still goes for today. R5ii competition from Sony is supposed to be the a7rv/future a7rvi.

It sounds like the R5 II is going after the Z 8.
I hope that Canon also comes out with an R5 S that goes after the a7R V and Z 7.

 

[Richard CN]

Because it’s the only actual body in Canon’s lineup that lines up with an a1/Z9? I don’t know how that’s such an absurd comparison, the a1 is already three years old and it’s probably going to see a discount sooner rather than later. Same thing with the Z9 which is $1k less (or the Z8 which is $500 less than the rumored R5 Mark II MSRP). I’m less concerned about how this will stack up against those cameras though and more so with how it’ll stack up with the next versions of those cameras when they’re probably released in the near future.

Okay, so in the sony camp if you want the same performance of the R5 Mark II, you'll have to shell out $6500 and get the A1 or A1 II (which may or may not be better than the R5 II).

and w hile the A1 may see a price drop it probably won't see a 2500 price drop.

 

[EOS 4 Life]

Why does anyone even expect a 4000$ camera to compete with a 6500$ flagship only because some hypothetical specs are similar.

Because Canon usually does things that do not show up in specs better.

 

[Inspired]

Honestly, I'm just interested in the photo features. I'm glad for the hybrid video features but it's first a photo camera . I would have really like to see a more photo centric camera with basic video features at a cheaper price, but that's just me.

 

[EOS 4 Life]

Guess the a7iv was a big failure when Sony released it and it didn't come even close to the then over a year old R5.

Do you mean the a7R IV?
The a7 IV is a massive hit even though the R6 II is superior in a lot of ways.

 

[EOS 4 Life]

I would have really like to see a more photo centric camera with basic video features at a cheaper price, but that's just me.

It may be a lot better in photos than it is in video.
All that we have now are a few rumored specs.