The Canon EOS R5 Mark II buzz is growing in the background

[Canon Rumors]

The Canon EOS R5 Mark II is coming, that’s not a newsflash. Everything about the Canon EOS R1 and Canon EOS R5 Mark II will be public by the time July rolls around. We are 100% certain that there are things happening in July that tell us major products are hitting the market. We have

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[Canon Rumors]

So you’re saying the R5ii and R1 share the same sensor, did I read that right? Does this hopefully put to rest the 30MP debacle from Adorama? Because I can’t imagine the R5ii being less than 45MP.

I updated the post.

To clarify, they won't have the exact same sensor as far as resolution and whatnot, but they will share capabilities.

 

[Canon Rumors]

Damn, I got excited for a second the way you had that worded initially. If it’s 30MP either Nikon or Sony is getting the $20k I’ve got for a flagship and 600mm f/4. Hoping the rumors aren’t true.

The R1 will be less than 30mp, The R52 is 45MP

Remember, Canon doesn't care about your or my $20K with 1 series cameras, they care about all of the agencies that will buy hundreds of them and the professionals that earn a living with them, and always have the ear of Canon.

1 series camera sales don't really move the needle financially on their own. It's the after purchase support services that do.

 

[mdcmdcmdc]

Could there be a development announcement for the EOS R5 Mark II as well? Sure, why not?

The Osborne Effect. That's why not.

Unlike the R1 (and R3 at the time of its development announcement), the R5 is a current, shipping product. An R52 development announcement months in advance could hurt current R5 sales.

 

[Canon Rumors]

The Osborne Effect. That's why not.

Unlike the R1 (and R3 at the time of its development announcement), the R5 is a current, shipping product. An R52 development announcement months in advance could hurt current R5 sales.

That's why they have been dumping inventory with crazy rebates... and it has been working according to retailers.

Old camera stock has never really been an issue with 5 series cameras (or any EOS camera), there are lots of people that don't need the latest and greatest.

I have heard this fallacy before, and it's simply not true.

There are plenty of examples of Canon announcing things, not shipping for months (up to 6 months) and old stock being available and still selling just fine. There is no building holding mountains of cameras that they can't sell.

If in the end, if there are a few left over.. they go to service centres and become replacement instead of repair cameras. The accountants handle all of that.

 

[Toamelicious]

Oh boy all this hype.
I just hope we're not falling flat on our noses, when these things come to market and underperform, because we built up expectations to the moon.
I personally don't really care about the R1, but I care about not hearing how canon is doomed and will be dominated by everything including the shittiest smartphone camera in the next years, so they better deliver.
When it comes to the R5 it's basically a win win for me incoming
Either it's awesome as hell and I spend a lot of money on the mark 2, or it's meh and I spend less money on a used mark 1.

 

[koenkooi]

I sold my R5 last November since there are no dragonflies during winter and the R8 handles family pictures better than the R5. When the rumoured April announcement didn't happen I bought a grey market R7 as a stopgap, which is serving me very well, but I'm more than ready to (pre)order the R5II and sell the R7

The 'reach' of the R7 is amazing, but for things like focus stacking I really appreciate having 45MP over 32MP and a deep buffer so it doesn't halt after 40-ish shots. Offloading a bunch of focus stacks and bursts to my computer also makes me appreciate CFExpress, 300MB/s versus 950MB/s makes the difference between a coffee break and a lunch break

The faster electronic shutter excites me the most, especially if I can use a flash with it, like the R3 can. Every year I try to formulate a new goal or style, last year I tried to capture insect outlines shining through foliage e.g.

https://flic.kr/p/2pSySQ5

This year I'd like to get shots of insects (dragons/damsels/butterflies/bees) during take-off, which likely means lots of luck and/or masting the pre-shooting feature. I really hope the R5II improves the functionality and workflow for that, my issues with the current implementation are:

• The multi-step process to enable it is tedious, I don't think you can assign the toggle to a button
• After using it, you're locked out of the camera till the buffer was been flushed completely. That can take a full minute.
• The result is a single, huge file that only DPP4 can handle. And worse, DPP4 doesn't have an 'extract all shots', you have do it one-by-one and it's takes waaaay too many actions per frame.

And I'll stop complaining about niche first world problems now

 

[Del Paso]

The R1 is 30ish MP, The R52 is 45MP

Remember, Canon doesn't care about your or my $20K with 1 series cameras, they care about all of the agencies that will buy hundreds of them and the processionals that earn a living with them, and always have the ear of Canon.

1 series camera sales don't really move the needle financially on their own. It's the after purchase support services that do.

Did you see the press coverage of the latest European League Soccer Championship? Canons, Canons and Canons...

 

[Del Paso]

That's why they have been dumping inventory with crazy rebates... and it has been working according to retailers.

Old camera stock has never really been an issue with 5 series cameras (or any EOS camera), there are lots of people that don't need the latest and greatest.

I have heard this fallacy before, and it's simply not true.

There are plenty of examples of Canon announcing things, not shipping for months (up to 6 months) and old stock being available and still selling just fine. There is no building holding mountains of cameras that they can't sell.

If in the end, if there are a few left over.. they go to service centres and become replacement instead of repair cameras. The accountants handle all of this.

You can even get a brand new, fully Canon warrantied R5, at a lower price than used ones sold by MPB Europe! Currently, the R5 is a superb value, and will be for whoever doesn't need the R5 II's added features.

 

[alanphotography]

With similar sensor, fps and buffer size should be differentiators as usual.

However I hope they put CFe4 in both models and not just the R1. Even if the R5 mk2 has a smaller (not unlimited) buffer depth, with a CFe4 interface we should benefit from a fast card to flush the buffer somehow fast 'enough' on the R5 mk2 (such as 10-20fps sustained until card full, not unlimited like the R1). I'll carefully check out the actual tests to see how that goes.

 

[koenkooi]

You can even get a brand new, fully Canon warrantied R5, at a lower price than used ones sold by MPB Europe! Currently, the R5 is a superb value, and will be for whoever doesn't need the R5 II's added features.

I can now buy such a brand new, warrantied R5 for less than I sold my 3.5 year old R5!

 

[Stig Nygaard]

[ Copying a post I did in a new thread in "EOS Bodies" rumor forum, but maybe it gets more views/response as a comment here ]


First, I'm sorry. I haven't read all comments to all posts here on CR. So this might have been mentioned before. But someone on dpreview saw a possible hint of what to come in the little EOS R1 teaser video.

First look at the R3 teaser video. In hindsight it clearly hints the Eye Control AF feature.

- YouTube

Auf YouTube findest du die angesagtesten Videos und Tracks. Außerdem kannst du eigene Inhalte hochladen und mit Freunden oder gleich der ganzen Welt teilen.

youtu.be

Then look at the red pattern "flashed" over the EOS R1 title in the R1 teaser video:

- YouTube

Auf YouTube findest du die angesagtesten Videos und Tracks. Außerdem kannst du eigene Inhalte hochladen und mit Freunden oder gleich der ganzen Welt teilen.

youtu.be

"Quad Pixel" sensor design?

Besides for better autofocus, if true, could such a design also be used for the rumoured dual-gain support?
One pair of sub-pixels with "high" gain, and the other pair of sub-pixels with "low" gain?

I don't know much about dual-gain sensor designs, but I assume the advantage would be higher dynamic range.

/Stig

 

[koenkooi]

With similar sensor, fps and buffer size should be differentiators as usual.

However I hope they put CFe4 in both models and not just the R1. Even if the R5 mk2 has a smaller (not unlimited) buffer depth, with a CFe4 interface we should benefit from a fast card to flush the buffer somehow fast 'enough' on the R5 mk2 (such as 10-20fps sustained until card full, not unlimited like the R1). I'll carefully check out the actual tests to see how that goes.

The current Canon firmwares don’t implement pacing when the buffer is full. The firmware waits for the buffer to clear a bit, shoots 5 shots at full fps, waits form the buffer to clear a bit, shoots 5 shots, etc.

Nikon does it like you describe: write out each shot after it is taken, so you get a nice, even fps that is limited by your CFe card. The Z9 and Z8 are also able to write to CFe at 900-ish MByte/s, the R5 barely reaches 500MByte/s. Both are below the 1500Mbyte/s practical CFe2 limit.
Bring on CFe4!

 

[Canon Rumors]

[ Copying a post I did in a new thread in "EOS Bodies" rumor forum, but maybe it gets more views/response as a comment here ]


First, I'm sorry. I haven't read all comments to all posts here on CR. So this might have been mentioned before. But someone on dpreview saw a possible hint of what to come in the little EOS R1 teaser video.

First look at the R3 teaser video. In hindsight it clearly hints the Eye Control AF feature.

- YouTube

Auf YouTube findest du die angesagtesten Videos und Tracks. Außerdem kannst du eigene Inhalte hochladen und mit Freunden oder gleich der ganzen Welt teilen.

youtu.be

Then look at the red pattern "flashed" over the EOS R1 title in the R1 teaser video:

- YouTube

Auf YouTube findest du die angesagtesten Videos und Tracks. Außerdem kannst du eigene Inhalte hochladen und mit Freunden oder gleich der ganzen Welt teilen.

youtu.be

"Quad Pixel" sensor design?

Besides for better autofocus, if true, could such a design also be used for the rumoured dual-gain support?
One pair of sub-pixels with "high" gain, and the other pair of sub-pixels with "low" gain?

I don't know much about dual-gain sensor designs, but I assume the advantage would be higher dynamic range.

/Stig

I love you people!

Yes, it'll be quad. Not sure if it'll be marketed QPAF or not though.

 

[cpreston]

I love you people!

Yes, it'll be quad. Not sure if it'll be marketed QPAF or not though.

Ooh, QPAF would probably be enough for me to upgrade from my R5c’s. The DPAF can be extremely frustrating in some situations. Dual gain and some type of internal ND would be an instant buy. At that point, I would be hard pressed to upgrade to a full frame cinema camera when it comes out so I doubt they would add ND to a photo camera at this point. I just hope they add the cinema OS to some of the new photo cameras like they did with the R5C because that because was they key to making them worthy of being used for work.

 

[alanphotography]

The current Canon firmwares don’t implement pacing when the buffer is full. The firmware waits for the buffer to clear a bit, shoots 5 shots at full fps, waits form the buffer to clear a bit, shoots 5 shots, etc.

Nikon does it like you describe: write out each shot after it is taking, so you get a nice, even fps that is limited by your CFe card. The Z9 and Z8 are also able to write to CFe at 900-ish MByte/s, the R5 barely reaches 500MByte/s. Both are below the 1500Mbyte/s practical CFe2 limit.
Bring on CFe4!

Good pint. There is indeed potential progress on the pacing of the buffer on Canon side.

I am pretty certain CFe4 will come to the R1, and offer quite an extension of the buffer due to the demon speed those recent cards are boasting - peaks in the 2000 MB/s range, sustained is another story of course.

I'm just not sure how the implementation will be for the R5 mk2. Pre-capture eats a lot of data, just like an fps increase, especially if they solved the ES rolling shutter, there will be more need for speed.

Still, they need a differentiation with the R1, if they offer 30 fps on the R5 mk2 and that can be (mostly) sustained with a high speed CFe4 card, that would eat into 1 series territory significantly.
Let's just hope for the best.

What say you @Canon Rumors Guy , CFe4 in the R5 mk2 ?

 

[alanphotography]

Ooh, QPAF would probably be enough for me to upgrade from my R5c’s.

Turning a proportion of the dual pixel by 90 deg could be an interesting solution to offer QPAF while reusing the current wining AF formula and sensor design. You could add a couple thousands zones dedicated to the new orientation.

I am no expert but it sounds much more efficient than splitting all the DPAF zones in 4. We'll see, progress is good.

 

[Del Paso]

[ Copying a post I did in a new thread in "EOS Bodies" rumor forum, but maybe it gets more views/response as a comment here ]


First, I'm sorry. I haven't read all comments to all posts here on CR. So this might have been mentioned before. But someone on dpreview saw a possible hint of what to come in the little EOS R1 teaser video.

First look at the R3 teaser video. In hindsight it clearly hints the Eye Control AF feature.

- YouTube

Auf YouTube findest du die angesagtesten Videos und Tracks. Außerdem kannst du eigene Inhalte hochladen und mit Freunden oder gleich der ganzen Welt teilen.

youtu.be

Then look at the red pattern "flashed" over the EOS R1 title in the R1 teaser video:

- YouTube

Auf YouTube findest du die angesagtesten Videos und Tracks. Außerdem kannst du eigene Inhalte hochladen und mit Freunden oder gleich der ganzen Welt teilen.

youtu.be

"Quad Pixel" sensor design?

Besides for better autofocus, if true, could such a design also be used for the rumoured dual-gain support?
One pair of sub-pixels with "high" gain, and the other pair of sub-pixels with "low" gain?

I don't know much about dual-gain sensor designs, but I assume the advantage would be higher dynamic range.

/Stig

Since the R5 II is supposed to get a similar sensor...
Thanks, Stig, for the very good news!

 

[Gino_FOTO]

It would be even better if they equipped it with a 63MP sensor. That would be a sweet spot, offering fast readout speeds at least as fast as the R6 Mark II. This would essentially mean a truly \"integrated\" APS-C.

 

[Canon Rumors]