The Canon EOS R5 Mark II coming in Q2, 2023? [CR2]

Yes, sadly bit depth depends on the kind of shutter you use. With electronic shutter you lose 2 bits. That means you lose 98.4% of all colours.
Only below ISO800 and if you expose to maximize the usable bitdepth, like using ETTR. Above ISO800 the dynamic range is already below 12 stops, so shutter mode won't matter in that respect.

If you're at ISO100 with contrasty subjects, like brights skies with tall buildings, then yes, you'll really notice it when post processing. I mainly notice it when using flash for macro photos, I can pull up a lot more details in post on subjects like orb weavers. Comparing summertime, natural light ISO100, ES pictures with fall time, ISO100 flash, EFCS pictures I have a lot more usable data in the shadows.

And 'colours' is a bit misleading to use here, the red channel will clip waaaaaaay before the green and blue channels, so you're already missing a huge chunk of the available colourspace, regardless of bitdepth. I don't have any better way of saying it, "up to 2 stops of dynamic range" doesn't really convey the same exponential severeness as "not losing 98% of all colours".
 
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Yes, sadly bit depth depends on the kind of shutter you use. With electronic shutter you lose 2 bits.
The R5 has a max 14-bits, drops to 13-bits with high speed continuous + shooting (fastest mechanical shutter speeds), and drops to 12-bits with full electronic shutter.

FWIW, the R3 is always 14-bits for still images, even at 30 fps full electronic shutter.
 
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Whether we start with 14 or 12 bits, we end up converting our RAW files to 8-bit jpgs…
Yeah, I tried to have a workflow that went something like this:
  1. Ingest CR3 into DPP4, run DLO, export to TIFF
  2. Ingest both CR3 and TIFF into LR Classic, group them with TIFF being on top
  3. Edit, edit, edit
  4. Export to TIFF from LR
  5. Have Preview.app convert the TIFF to HEIC
  6. Import HEIC into Photos.app
The issue with that was that viewing the resulting image in Photos.app, both on iOS and MacOS, there would be a green line at the top or bottom. Like you'd get with HD videos where the software goes "1080 isn't divisible by 16, imma add or remove 8 rows to fix that!!!"

Importing the 16-bit TIFFs into Photos.app wastes a lot of space and leads to black pictures on devices, because the TIFF converter is quite buggy and/or too memory hungry. Sharing a picture to another app, like messages, was painful.

But what about DNGs? Well, LR can't export edited DNGs, only a DNG version of your RAW plus the edits as metadata. Which only Adobe apps properly support. But DXO PL is able to export edited DNGs, so that could be an option for the future!
 
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Because of simple physics, th R3 at 24mp has larger photocells, meaning they can be spaced apart further in the same area and can be pushed to higher iso sensitive before they run into an neighbouring photocell on the sensor. Larger photocells gather more light as well, Yes tech is getting better but if you improve tech for a higher mp sensor then you're obviously doing the same for lower mp sensor as a result so that's a irrelevant convo.

If you look at the current and new A7R camera that is 60+ mp its native iso range is LOWER then a lower MP camera, that's not by accident.

I would much prefer a balance, 45mp is plenty and it WILL have better iso performance then a sensor crammed with 61mp. The R5 is suppose to be an all around camera, if it goes to 61mp it now basically becomes a portrait or landscape camera which you won't push the iso anyway. I use my R5 for wildlife and fast moving subjects in low light sometimes so Id prefer the no more than 45mp
Theory is great. But - as I wrote - Canon has several times increased high iso performance and pixel count at the same time. See no reason that it will be any different this time. Also, this is an endless discussion every time Canon increases pixel count. Just like so many Canon R customers you have long ago decided to upgrade your MPIX count significantly. A few years from now we will be reading that 100 MPIX is enough and 160 MPIX is "unbalanced" - from the same people that went from 8 to 10 to 12 to 16 to 20 to 24 to 30 MPIX...etc etc. Rejoice - more MPIX is better for wildlife.
 
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Because it's comfortable.
Canon in 1995 release EOS DCS 3 with hard drive inside. Today 2022 I don't want insert ssd 2230 in to the box, which has a little more thickness. I want to have ability insert ssd m2 2280 direct in to the camera with full temperature compatibility.
Today size of the ssd is small, and it's possible to make such solution. I want to have additional battery grip which can be used not only as battery holder but can contain 2 or 3 ssd.
If canon want release camera with 8k60 how I can use it ? 5 minutes per 1 card ?
 
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So you want 3:1 or a 3:4 aspect ratio? That’s what you’d get binning 2 pixels to go from 90 MP to 45 MP with a RAW file output, plus that would be problematic to demosaic. (FYI, the 36 and 18 MP output from Leica’s 60 MP aren’t RAW, they’re downsampled DNGs.)

From a 90 MP sensor you could have theoretically have 90 MP, 22.5 MP and 5.6 MP RAW files, if you like.
I'm more interested in the end results than in the technology and methodology used to obtain them, but if you can suggest another in-camera method of producing uncropped files with lower resolution and smaller files, please go ahead. To be worthwhile, such files must retain the full colour gamut and tonal range, and not suffer from artefacts, so for me, JPEG and HEIF are unsuitable.

If you are wondering, yes, (depending on subject matter) I can easily distinguish a "highest quality" JPEG from a RAW or TIFF, so when post processing I initially output as a JPEG, and if I'm unsatisfied, I then output as TIFF. The latter of course uses up a lot of storage space, but produces by far the best result.

Getting back to the "R5 MKii" rumour, if the only options were to shoot maximum resolution RAWs or JPEGs, the camera wouldn't interest me. The 45MP of the current R5 serves all my needs, and my only major reasons for wanting an "improved" version would be to get better AF, bracketing and focus stacking at 30fps with e-shutter, to eliminate or greatly reduce EVF lag, and to get better battery performance.

It would be nice if Canon could also eliminate the R5 freezes - I don't know whether these only occurred with certain batches, or whether they've been eliminated from current production. In my case I only get freezes under specific circumstances - i.e. after shooting a few short hi-speed bursts.
 
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True, but I am not sure that is the kind of competition we need.
Camera models do not need to match each other spec for spec.
Anyone who does not need 50 MP would not benefit from 61.
Someone who needs high MP would benefit from a high MP camera.
The 61 MP rumor I suspect is bull and if there is a high MP camera, it would be the R5s.

But without competition, would canon have pushed mirrorless as hard as they have and with the kick ass eye af they developed?
The Eos R did not have the R6,5,3's eye af. I wonder if there was no need to compete with sony, would we have eye af today?
Or would we be instead seeing a 1dx m4 release today since the original thought was that mirrorless was not the future and Sony was wasting their time.

So to my point, Flagships tend to try and out do the competitions flagships, but all those crazy features get trickled down to the cameras most of us use today. I love my R6 and if it was not for the features to price ratio, or the RF lens quality, I might have decided to primarily use another brand.
If I needed more MP then I would have purchased an R5, but an R6 is great for what I currently need.
 
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To me this seems to be more of a wish list. Given the minor upgrades on the R6 Mk2 vs. the R6, I am a bit skeptical if the R5 Mk2 would have so many significantly upgrades vs. the R5.
Well to be fair...the R6 is a bit lower end camera.
It's not likely to generally get the love of cameras R5 and higher level....

cayenne
 
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Yeah, I tried to have a workflow that went something like this:
  1. Ingest CR3 into DPP4, run DLO, export to TIFF
  2. Ingest both CR3 and TIFF into LR Classic, group them with TIFF being on top
  3. Edit, edit, edit
  4. Export to TIFF from LR
  5. Have Preview.app convert the TIFF to HEIC
  6. Import HEIC into Photos.app
The issue with that was that viewing the resulting image in Photos.app, both on iOS and MacOS, there would be a green line at the top or bottom. Like you'd get with HD videos where the software goes "1080 isn't divisible by 16, imma add or remove 8 rows to fix that!!!"

Importing the 16-bit TIFFs into Photos.app wastes a lot of space and leads to black pictures on devices, because the TIFF converter is quite buggy and/or too memory hungry. Sharing a picture to another app, like messages, was painful.

But what about DNGs? Well, LR can't export edited DNGs, only a DNG version of your RAW plus the edits as metadata. Which only Adobe apps properly support. But DXO PL is able to export edited DNGs, so that could be an option for the future!
FWIW my workflow is:

Shoot on CR3
Edit it LR Classic (and PS, if needed)
Topaz Denoise AI output as JPEG
If any artefacts or colour blotchiness present in JPEG, output again as 8 bit TIFF
In very rare cases where colour blotchiness still exists in 8 bit TIFFs, output again as 16 bit TIFF

My experience is that with JPEGs, colour blotchiness often shows up in out-of-focus backgrounds where there are subtle transitions in colour. Most often this occurs in heavily defocused macro backgrounds, but sometimes it can happen in the sky with landscapes. Outputting from DeNoise to a 8 bit TIFF nearly always eliminates the blotchiness.
 
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He’s talking about RAW DNG video.

Wow..I'd never heard of this.

Hmm...you know, I don't think I've ever updated the firmware of my old 5D3...maybe it's time to do so and see what else they added over the years!!!

cayenne
 
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My R3 shoots 30 fps and I write RAW simultaneously to both the CFe and SD cards. I haven’t had the SD card slow me down yet.


True. I have a CFe reader, but the Stone Pro dock on my desk (connected to the 5K:2K display I use for editing) and my 16” M1 MacBook Pro have built-in SD card slots.
Well, do remember at one time (not THAT long back for us old fellas)....our laptops had 3" floppy disks built in too.
;)

LOL....
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