There are 4 wide-angle L prime lenses coming in the next 12 months [CR2]
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I agree with your point
The link I provided used to be a static website for HK prices 15 years ago.
It has evolved into a dynamic pricelist for multiple official and grey market dealers.
I have a long time dealer I trust back in 2009. So I use the pricelist as a baseline for negotiations for domestic & international dealers.
Last night I did a price study for a possible future purchase
FUJIFILM GFX 50S II + 35-70mm Lens Kit
- $3,527.64 = HK$27,690: HK grey market price + ₱3,600 shipping no VAT, GST or sales tax
- $3,811.78 = ₱216,585.40: FujiFilm PH 12% VAT inc
- $4,499: BH Photo + sales tax
The price difference was $220.
For that sum the service center's 24km from me with a official warranty rather than having it shipped via air both ways at my expense.
Sadly the FujiFilm PH price appears to be a Lazada promo. To think for less than the US price of a EOS R5 body I get a newer 50+ megapixel medium format body + a 27-55mm full frame equivalent zoom lens.
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The pricing of the 24-105mm F4L was mid-level when it came out. In Germany, retail Price was 1.199 € and as a kit lens 999 €. Furthermore, you were able to get cashback on it. I got my copy in march 2019 for 800 € (kit lens - 10% from the retailer - cashback).
I think a lot of early adopters therefore have the 24-105mm as mid level pricing in mind.
After covid struck, the price for this lens reached insane levels. I saw it for 1.649 € in one store and people advertising it as “on sale for only 1.499 €”.
I’m sooo glad I got in 2019. It used to be my “most used lens” and until I got the 15-35mm. This lens noticeably outresolves the 24-105mm imho @24mm, @28mm and 35mm
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I was shopping around for a standard zoom recently and noticed that I had the price alert on the RF24-105 F4L set to €999, which won't get triggered with the current prices.
This is from the Dutch website tweakers.net that can plot pricing info over time. It's from the webshops that pay to get listed, so it won't show everything, but it shows enough to confirm both our experiences:
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Or Canon knows who they are & know what they are and priced appropriately because of very strong demand.
If I was married with kids and never shot birds or sports this would be the system I'd get as it has these characteristics
- R5 & R3 equivalent pricing
- RF L lens equivalent pricing
- 0.79x crop medium format
It would not be a surprise that Hassleblad, PhaseOne, Leica and even Pentax will collectively be less than 50% of the future medium format market.
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I wonder about the actual size of that market, though. A few years ago in an interview, a Leica exec stated that the entire global medium format (not just Leica's share) comprised about 7,000 cameras per year. That struck me as low, but if true it's a teeny tiny market.
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Oh ok didn't knew that. But if I u don't consider cash back and other advertising prices (because they can apply to other lenses aswell) - there would also be some other L lenses still. The 17-40 f/4 (ok - maybe not as excellent as others but I still ok)and the 70-200 f/4 non IS are currently at 600€ here in Germany. the EF 24-70 f/4 L currently is at 1200€ but I am pretty sure this was a lot cheaper too in the past and is, for what it is, an excellent lens. The EF 100 L Macro is also around 1k. If u look in the past ull find even more.
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There's a big gap in the pricing, but that doesn't mean it's economic for them to fill it. There was always a gulf between the cheaper big whites (300 f/4L and 400 f/5.6L) and the big ones, and that was never addressed during the EF era.
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Leica's market research may be rooted at their price points.
Leica S system started in 2008.
- $20k for the single 2020 Leica S3 body
- $5k-12.5k price range for 16 lenses with the last lens, Leica Summicron-S 100 mm f/2 ASPH being released in 2014
FujiFILM G system started in 2017 & has these price points
- $3.5-10k for 3 body SKUs with the last body, Fujifilm GFX 50S II being released 53 weeks ago
- $1k-3.3k price range for 15 lenses with the last two lenses, being released later this year
As previously mentioned FujiFILM G system is delivering
- medium format hardware
- in a dSLR form factor
- at a dSLR physical dimension & weight
- R3 & R5 price points
- RF L lens price range
This is more damaging to current Canon, Sony & Nikon customers than those of Leica, Hassleblad or any other medium format brand.
APS-C & smaller image sensors are losing ground to smartphones so brands are moving to full frame.
Pentax failed in their executions probably due to resource reasons as they did not go further beyond the 2014 Pentax 645Z & 2015 HD Pentax-D FA645 35mm F3.5 AL [IF]. I've read an article that they had problems fulfilling demand for the $8.5k body that now retails at $5k. I remember feeling surprised by it being the cheapest medium format body at the time.
New lowest price is $3.5k 2021 FujiFILM GFX 50S II body-only during the summer promo price.
Yesterday's Lazada PH promo price was $3,811.78 12% VAT inc for the body + kit lens. That's the price of a US $3.9k 2020 EOS R5 body-only without sales tax. Bought separately the kit lens is $1k. This brings down the body price down to $2,811.78 12% VAT inc. VAT ex price would have been $2,510.52 that is 2020 EOS R6 body-only US pricing without sales tax.
The $10k 2019 Fujifilm GFX 100 is the oldest SKU with its successor, the 2021 Fujifilm GFX 100S costing $6k. It has the same 100+ megapixel 0.79x crop image sensor.
Many are complaining about Canon defending its RF system from 3rd party reverse engineering 4 years into their transition.
If I was making that transition to MILC then FujiFILM looks very interesting from a value proposition.
Its weakness for my use case would be its lack of autofocus designed for birds, wildlife or sports.
In 2015 the cheapest way to get native 50+ megapixel was the $3.9k EOS 5Ds R. That was a big deal to many professionals whose clients contractually require 50+ megapixel files.
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I have yet to see anyone mentioned about the introductory price of those EF lenses during its first 6-9 months after their release.
They tend to drop to street price after then.
This is my observation for the past 2 decades.
Due to supply chain constraints this practice has yet to be fully implemented.
They tend to drop to street price after then.
This is my observation for the past 2 decades.
Due to supply chain constraints this practice has yet to be fully implemented.
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I love and continue to use my EF 85mm f/1.4 IS with my R5. At the rate things are going, that's going to be my last EF lens, and then I can just leave the control ring on it permanently.
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Maybe it's going to be super-distorted like the 16mm, so you're going to want to throw out the corners at 12mm anyway?
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A lot of us have been clamoring for one since the beginning of the R system. Maybe Canon harvests EXIF data from the internet and maybe there's a decent number of shots/interest in Sigma's 28mm f/1.4 and that is driving it. At least, that would be my hope.
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This is something I was wondering...is it possible to go RF extender > RF Adapter > EF lens, and get full AF/etc.? I haven't tried it yet...
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The HK based "grey" exporter that I've used for the last 10 years, sells at about 25% cheaper on average, compared to buying from a Canon Europe approved dealer. Over the years, it has saved me literally thousands of pounds.
It's very rare for a camera to develop a fault during normal usage - usually if there is a problem with a camera it becomes apparent the instant you start using it, in which case it's classified as dead-on-arrival and you get an instant refund or replacement.
Canon Europe provides a 12 month warranty if you buy from them, but my HK seller provides a full *3 year* worldwide parts & labour warranty, with repairs carried out locally by highly reputable Canon approved repairers.
.... and there is no need to go to HK to get the gear, which is delivered free of charge. I've never had to wait longer than 4 working days for delivery. Everything they advertise is genuinely in stock. On the single occasion when I was asked to pay import tax, the seller refunded it within 2 days. That's what I call service.
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"A lot of us," when 'us' refers to a small handful of people, is irrelevant.
On Flickr, searching "Sigma 28mm f/1.4" pulls up 362 images. For comparison, the Canon 24mm f/1.4 pulls up >13,500 images. So at least based on Flickr, the Sigma 28/1.4 is not going to move the needle even a little.
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