Vehicle AF and more coming to the Canon EOS R5 and Canon EOS R6 in December firmware update

Explain vehicle AF to me and why you would find it useful. Right off, I have never had trouble focusing on a car, so I can’t imagine what this might do.
I take bike pictures, and its much more difficult than cars because there are many cyclists to choose from - often overlapping each other - and a much more diverse and messy backdrop.
 
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The line-skipped 4k of the R5, which is about the same quality as the 4k of the R won't overheat. Only the 'HQ' and 100+ fps modes for 4k overheat, and all 8k modes. But if you want R-ish quality 4k, it can do that all day long, with restarts after every 29:59 minutes :)
R5 cropped (s35) 4K is oversampled 5.6K and does not overheat. I use it all the time on my R5 and looks amazing.
 
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Canon, please make these change in the firmware of both the R5 and R6:

VideoTimeLimit = Off
Enable VideoZebraStripes = On
EnableUsableWBFnction = On
FakeOverheatTimer = Off
CrippleHammerFunctions = Off

That will be a good start! ;)
Yes, it's a joke...
 
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Aren't you still able to shoot pictures despite the download process?

At least when it comes to remote shooting via CCAPI, you can live-view and shoot new pictures and download older pictures in parallel.
I don't know, i never shoot pics while downloading pictures from camera to pc. I mostly shoot landscapes and don't do studio work. But maybe that is the reason why everyting is turned on when downloading images via cable - a useful function for studio work.
 
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Explain vehicle AF to me and why you would find it useful. Right off, I have never had trouble focusing on a car, so I can’t imagine what this might do.
It depends on how it works. On the Olympus system, it first identifies the shape of the vehicle, then while still tracking and taking pictures it works out where the windscreen is focusses on that (ie focussing towards the driver) - rather like focussing on the eyes of a person or animal. With motorbikes it ends up focussing on the motorcyclist's head.
How far the Canon system will go we will wait and see.
 
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But they put it in the R, then released it without on the R5 when the R3 wasn’t out yet. Not a very clear differentiation at this stage, have to wait and see I guess.

Doesn’t really change things much either way, still don’t have it after all.
Ok, you've said this several times, that the R could choose how fast or how many shots to burst in Electronic Shutter mode (Silent Shooting). I had the R and never knew about this, and I'm looking at the Advanced User Guide, as well as several Canon knowledge base articles.

The only spec I'm finding is in the Advanced User Guide, English, page 145: "With silent shooting...continuous shooting speed will be max. approx. 5.0 shots/sec." A bit further on, page 151, we are told that Silent Shooting is available in Single Shot or High Speed (or using the 2 sec. or 10 sec timer). No other options. On the R5, of course, we can also use Single Shot.

I simply can't find anything confirming what you've said. Could you please provide a link, or could somebody else confirm? Thanks!
 
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Ok, you've said this several times, that the R could choose how fast or how many shots to burst in Electronic Shutter mode (Silent Shooting). I had the R and never knew about this, and I'm looking at the Advanced User Guide, as well as several Canon knowledge base articles.

The only spec I'm finding is in the Advanced User Guide, English, page 145: "With silent shooting...continuous shooting speed will be max. approx. 5.0 shots/sec." A bit further on, page 151, we are told that Silent Shooting is available in Single Shot or High Speed (or using the 2 sec. or 10 sec timer). No other options. On the R5, of course, we can also use Single Shot.

I simply can't find anything confirming what you've said. Could you please provide a link, or could somebody else confirm? Thanks!
Concur. I see no evidence of it. There’s a low speed setting for the mechanical shutter on the R.
 
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Ok, you've said this several times, that the R could choose how fast or how many shots to burst in Electronic Shutter mode (Silent Shooting). I had the R and never knew about this, and I'm looking at the Advanced User Guide, as well as several Canon knowledge base articles.

The only spec I'm finding is in the Advanced User Guide, English, page 145: "With silent shooting...continuous shooting speed will be max. approx. 5.0 shots/sec." A bit further on, page 151, we are told that Silent Shooting is available in Single Shot or High Speed (or using the 2 sec. or 10 sec timer). No other options. On the R5, of course, we can also use Single Shot.

I simply can't find anything confirming what you've said. Could you please provide a link, or could somebody else confirm? Thanks!

You're quite right. I even looked on my R/R5 before I said it, as I knew this is the kind of thing I can get wrong. Turns out I can still get it wrong even with that, although I'm puzzled as to how I managed it - I even have this embarrassing memory of triumph as I thought I'd confirmed it. Sorry all, looks like I went down a rabbit hole.

I guess this increases the likelihood its a demarcation choice as Neuro said.
 
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You're quite right. I even looked on my R/R5 before I said it, as I knew this is the kind of thing I can get wrong. Turns out I can still get it wrong even with that, although I'm puzzled as to how I managed it - I even have this embarrassing memory of triumph as I thought I'd confirmed it. Sorry all, looks like I went down a rabbit hole.

I guess this increases the likelihood its a demarcation choice as Neuro said.
Don't you know the first rule of forum discussions? Never admit a mistake, just double down and change the subject. Seriously, it is nice to see someone on this forum actually admit they were mistaken.
 
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Explain vehicle AF to me and why you would find it useful. Right off, I have never had trouble focusing on a car, so I can’t imagine what this might do.
Daylight panning is somewhere around 1/40th sec, F22, while midnight panning in the city is around 1/20th sec, F1.2. Believe me, I take any help (to focus) they can give at midnight. Just for fun, go outside tomorrow at midnight and shoot bikes on the street. This is particularly difficult, especially when you choose your spot for the sake of composition, and not amount of street light. Most often, the best spot, such as round the corner, are the darkest.
 
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4k 60 overheats
But the point you're replying to was that Canon did not cripple the R5 by removing video features already found in the R.

The R does not overheat in 4K, and neither does the R5, if you use the same type of 4K as the R.

4K HQ, 4K 60, 4K 120, 8K are the modes which may cause overheating, and none of them are available on the R.
 
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Vehicle AF? An average car is around 5m (15 feet) long, Isn't that like like Side-of-a-Barn AF??? ;)

I'm waiting for Canon to add Snail AF. They're very hard to track, especially when doing SIF (snail-in-flight) photos, when you toss them over the fence into your neighbour's yard. Being round and heavy, they fly like stones though the air, very fast! Ever wondered why you never see photos of airborne molluscs? Simple answer, no Snail AF! :ROFLMAO:

Brick Wall AF would be very useful too, since they're one of the most often photographed subjects on some forums, and there are many photo enthusiasts that photograph nothing else. Understandably, the photos in this genre tell a powerful story, the pathos they convey is emotionally moving, and the cutting social commentary they provide is incomparable! But this magic only happens when the photographer can achieve a very precise focus, it's a critical and integral element of the art form. :LOL:

(tongue-in-cheek for the overly serious types!)
 
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I have been using Canon camera's for a very long time, and I can't believe the people that are whining away like little kids.
Wish they did this and wish they did that... come on kids get a life!

Never has Canon been so generous in keeping the firmware updates going for the R5 and R6 and yet you people are never happy.
You bought a camera with certain options, and when they give you more or try to better the system for FREE, all I see is people complaining.

I have used the 1D series of camera's for many many years going through 5 pro bodies Mark II, Mark III (the big let down) the Mark IV the IDx and the 1Dx II now a R5. And NEVER EVER did Canon support a product like they are with the R5 and R6. So stop you're whining or buy another product as I for one think Canon is doing a great job updating the R5 and R6

Is it perfect? maybe not but we all bought a camera knowing what the specs were and now they are improving that camera. So be appreciative!
 
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I have been using Canon camera's for a very long time, and I can't believe the people that are whining away like little kids.
Wish they did this and wish they did that... come on kids get a life!

Never has Canon been so generous in keeping the firmware updates going for the R5 and R6 and yet you people are never happy.
You bought a camera with certain options, and when they give you more or try to better the system for FREE, all I see is people complaining.

I have used the 1D series of camera's for many many years going through 5 pro bodies Mark II, Mark III (the big let down) the Mark IV the IDx and the 1Dx II now a R5. And NEVER EVER did Canon support a product like they are with the R5 and R6. So stop you're whining or buy another product as I for one think Canon is doing a great job updating the R5 and R6

Is it perfect? maybe not but we all bought a camera knowing what the specs were and now they are improving that camera. So be appreciative!
Well, to keep things in perspective, if you've been using the top tiers of the Canon brand, there isn't much to complain about! Most of of 'whining' as you put it is people raising the issue about the questionable and ill-considered "cripple hammer" market segmentation strategy of withholding certain functions that cost little to nothing to include, which runs counter to the Sony strategy of "add it if we've got it" approach to functions and tech.

The philosophical question I would pose is this. If a company, either through oversight, neglect, or a rush to market, leaves out functions that would normally be included, or would be expected to be included, then adds them at a later date in firmware updates, is that generosity, or retrospective patch up? This raises the next question, if those functions that are added in firmware can be implemented that way, what was the rationale for omitting them in the first place?

Sure, some people in forums here and elsewhere like to indulge in compiling untenable utopian camera spec wish lists which I've previously mocked as "cargo cult lists", but that's not what's happening here. This is more like a list of what's been left out for no good reason, or hasn't been fixed for years. Things like absolutely clumsy video WB setting, 30 min record limits, slower burst rates, etc.

Anyone with realistic expectations is aware that probably most mid-tier cameras and upwards are 'good enough' these days, and moving from one brand to another just swaps one set of compromises for another, and when dealing with Canon's compromises, some are understandable, but some defy reason. We become aware of what falls into which category when we move beyond being ignorant grateful consumers to engage in critical thinking, and asking why. I think there's a lot of constructive 'asking why' going on here in my opinion... :)
 
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I can tell you from experience that motorcycle racing can be tough on the AF system.
I was joking in case that didn't come across! Up to a point it's reasonable to have the camera assist with AF on certain hard-to-track subjects, but if it goes the direction of a lot of other silly marketing-driven spec war p*ssing contests we've seen in the camera world, we might start seeing the inclusion of AF for the stupidest things! Wouldn't be surprised if we see Food AF next! :)

Can totally appreciate that a motorcycle is much smaller than a car, and not much bigger than a person, and I'd imagine, if off-road, move much less predictably and change directions more readily than cars would.
 
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