Canon officially announces the EOS R1 and EOS R5 Mark II

[Exploreshootshare]

R5mkii sounds like a great evolution of the R5, I don't see a revolution compared to the R5...
The dual "video-still shoot" feature sounds great, I´ve been waiting for this for quite a while. My iPhone is capable of it, but the quality is really bad.

Other than that, stacked sensor and AF will be an upgrade, but surely not enough for me to dump my R5 and pay an extra 2.500 € for this upgrade.

 

[Exploreshootshare]

I was really hoping for some lenses to be announced today since it has been slim pickings...only the 35mm F1.4 so far... kind of disappointing :/

 

[John Wilde]

What happened to cameras that primarily target stills shooters?

Hybrid cameras have two target audiences, which maximizes sales.

And users of hybrid cameras continue to get improved stills autofocus features.

 

[Canon Rumors]

I was really hoping for some lenses to be announced today since it has been slim pickings...only the 35mm F1.4 so far... kind of disappointing :/

They like to let credit cards paid down a bit when launching cameras like this. People buy new lenses after they get new cameras in their hands.

We'll see more lenses in the next 60 days. Two new hybrids and a new 70-200, which was supposed to be launched in June. The R52 was delayed, so probably in Q4.

 

[PerKr]

Is it just me or is it still looking like the R1 isn't getting eye-control AF? It was highlighted for the R5 II, don't see why such a feature wouldn't be highlighted for the R1 if it was there.

As far as megapixels, people need to leave the early noughties behind.

 

[neuroanatomist]

Is it just me or is it still looking like the R1 isn't getting eye-control AF? It was highlighted for the R5 II, don't see why such a feature wouldn't be highlighted for the R1 if it was there.

It’s just you. The R1 has eye control AF (‘improved’ relative to the R3).

 

[Canon Rumors]

So disappointed in Canon, so far behind the game in Megapixels.

An overlay in photoshop of two images, 1 taken on a 5DSR the 2nd on a 5DIV, both images used the same 600mm F/4 lens.
I had to upscale the 5DIV image by 34% to overlay perfectly with the same image taken on the 5DS.
So in the real world this shows me for my 5dIV to have the same subject size I would need a 800mm lens on the 5DIV to match that of the 600mm lens on the 5DS.
From this point of view Megapixels very much matter with lens costs so high.

I think this has done it for me, I held back for a long time for this release hoping the R5 II would break the 50mp barrier in order to replace my 5DSR, I would have pre-ordered the camera today if it had.

Now I have decided after 30 years of only using and owning Canon I will make the leap to mirrorless with Sony, the Sony Alpha a7R V a 2 year old camera with a 62.5MP sensor and capable of 10FPS RAW, are you hearing this Canon?

The 5DS sensor was/is rubbish. You'll get more detailed and accurate 24x36 prints out of the R3 sensor at half the resolution.

If you have to crop, you weren't close enough.

 

[grilled_rooster]

No ultra wide primes?

Not today

 

[OldDudePhotog]

It’s just you. The R1 has eye control AF (‘improved’ relative to the R3).

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The prospects of this are interesting to me, the more I read about the R1 the more I am warming up to it. I do still wish it had more than 24mp, 36 would have been nice. One thing I am wondering about is will the ECAF work good when shooting portrait, this is something I have noticed that does not seem to work so well on the R3 and I shoot most of my work in portrait.

 

[EOS 4 Life]

R1 has different focus point axis capabilities though?

The R1 has far more focus points.
The lower resolution leaves more room for that.

 

[timmy]

As an R3 owner, I will pass on the R1. Disappointedly, it does not sound like much of an improvement and I’m not seeing the huge difference. Seems more like the R1 is an R3 Mark II

 

[1ll]

As an R3 owner, I will pass on the R1. Disappointedly, it does not sound like much of an improvement and I’m not seeing the huge difference. Seems more like the R1 is an R3 Mark II

I agree 100% and it's heavier.

 

[vishaltpt]

Is there? How big is that 'very big' market? How many 100-150 MP cameras are sold every year? Who do you think is better positioned to estimate the size of that market, you or Canon? How is it that most other camera makers offer higher MP models that Canon, yet Canon continues to dominate the camera market?

Why did Canon come out with a 50 MP camera in 2015, then follow it up with a 45 MP camera in 2020, then follow that up with a 45 MP camera in 2024?

I get it, you want something and Canon isn't giving it to you. But why do some people always think their personal wants/needs represent those of the majority...especially when the data show just the opposite? I guess the answer is the same as the answer to why some people think the earth is flat. There are a lot of idiots in the world.

"Is there? How big is that 'very big' market? How many 100-150 MP cameras are sold every year? Who do you think is better positioned to estimate the size of that market, you or Canon? How is it that most other camera makers offer higher MP models than Canon, yet Canon continues to dominate the camera market?"

I guess you need to kindly rethink the above two points that:

1. Canon dominates the market.
2. There is no demand for high megapixel cameras.

https://www.canonrumors.com/map-times-for-june-2024-x-t50-pummels-everyone/

You’ll be disappointed; it’s hard to spot a Canon in the top sellers list!

And further, you would be disappointed that your favorites—the R5, R3, and 1DX3 (R1)—are nowhere on the list.




At number 8 is the Sony A7RV, a 62 MP camera, and at number 10 is the Fuji GFX at 100 MP.

So, both of your above arguments are ill-researched and far from the truth.

Photographers like to own multiple cameras for specific needs. What a GoPro or a DJI drone can do, an R1 or R5II won’t. What a Sony A7R5 can do, an R1 won’t. Manufacturers release cameras in multiple segments to retain loyal customers in the ecosystem so that they can keep selling lenses.

Loyal Canon customers are finding it hard to stay back:

A. Because the specific camera features they care about most are not available in the Canon lineup.

B. Canon charges a huge premium vis-a-vis the competition for similar products. The Nikon Z8 is available cheaper at $3499 and is similarly spec’d as the much delayed R5II at $4299.

This has to change, Canon, if you want to dominate the list.


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Here's another Top Seller list that Canon doesn't seem to dominate either:

https://www.canonrumors.com/map-camera-nikon-takes-top-spots/

Guess, who's on No.1 !!

 

[David_B]

The 5DS sensor was/is rubbish. You'll get more detailed and accurate 24x36 prints out of the R3 sensor at half the resolution.

If you have to crop, you weren't close enough.

What about the 5DsR? (No AA filter)

 

[David_B]

Is there? How big is that 'very big' market? How many 100-150 MP cameras are sold every year? Who do you think is better positioned to estimate the size of that market, you or Canon? How is it that most other camera makers offer higher MP models that Canon, yet Canon continues to dominate the camera market?

Canon doesn't know that itself and it probably gets the information from the same place as anyone else: CIPA (if not Gartner, etc.)
I don't know if a random person can buy more detailed reports from CIPA or they limit the reports to the manufacturers. Point being Canon won't know how many cameras Sony, Nikon, etc, sell and have to get that information from an external entity such as CIPA. This means that Canon itself doesn't know the size of the market and can only guess based on its unit sales.

Why did Canon come out with a 50 MP camera in 2015, then follow it up with a 45 MP camera in 2020, then follow that up with a 45 MP camera in 2024?

The 45MP sensor is for a unit that is aimed at producing 4k & 8K video. The R5 sensor is 8192 x 5464, 8k video is 7,680 x 4,320. 7680/8192 is 0.9375. The 5DS sensor is 8688 x 5792. 7680/8688 is not a vert nice fraction (and is around 89%). I expect that the R5 sensor size has therefore been chosen by Canon because of what it can deliver for 8K video rather than what it can do for stills photography. The 5DS wasn't targeted at 8K video, it was targeted at high resolution photography. The 5Ds's problem was that it was based on old generation sensor technology and produced low quality images for the resolution.

I get it, you want something and Canon isn't giving it to you. But why do some people always think their personal wants/needs represent those of the majority...especially when the data show just the opposite? I guess the answer is the same as the answer to why some people think the earth is flat. There are a lot of idiots in the world.

This isn't the best way to put it because there isn't an infinite selection of camera models to choose from with varying capabilities. I can't, for example, choose a R5 that only does 1080p or an R5 that only does 4k, my choice is an R5 (II) that can do 8k or not an R5. If I want 45MP in a Canon camera I have to buy one that does 8K video. Canon is turning the R5 into the "it does everything" camera. What this is doing is pushing the price up because Canon needs to expend more effort to produce a camera that can do everything well. $300 is a big price hike for air vents.

If Canon came out with a 60MP (or more) R5s that only did 1080p or 4k video (limitation in firmware), had no air vents, and sold for the same price as the R5 or less, it would be interesting to see what sold best - the R5II or R5s. Why should Canon canibilize its own sales? if they don't, someone else will (there's a quote from Steve Jobs about that.)

At present to me it looks like 8K as a video format is going to be used for creating masters that will be converted to 4k for consumers and 8k for cinema use.

 

[David_B]

They like to let credit cards paid down a bit when launching cameras like this. People buy new lenses after they get new cameras in their hands.

Exactly! After you take our rent, there's only so many $1000s left to buy new toys each month.

 

[Canon Rumors]

What about the 5DsR? (No AA filter)

Same thing, and it added issues. That camera was so bad at what it was supposed to do.

 

[vishaltpt]

Canon doesn't know that itself and it probably gets the information from the same place as anyone else: CIPA (if not Gartner, etc.)
I don't know if a random person can buy more detailed reports from CIPA or they limit the reports to the manufacturers. Point being Canon won't know how many cameras Sony, Nikon, etc, sell and have to get that information from an external entity such as CIPA. This means that Canon itself doesn't know the size of the market and can only guess based on its unit sales.



The 45MP sensor is for a unit that is aimed at producing 4k & 8K video. The R5 sensor is 8192 x 5464, 8k video is 7,680 x 4,320. 7680/8192 is 0.9375. The 5DS sensor is 8688 x 5792. 7680/8688 is not a vert nice fraction (and is around 89%). I expect that the R5 sensor size has therefore been chosen by Canon because of what it can deliver for 8K video rather than what it can do for stills photography. The 5DS wasn't targeted at 8K video, it was targeted at high resolution photography. The 5Ds's problem was that it was based on old generation sensor technology and produced low quality images for the resolution.



This isn't the best way to put it because there isn't an infinite selection of camera models to choose from with varying capabilities. I can't, for example, choose a R5 that only does 1080p or an R5 that only does 4k, my choice is an R5 (II) that can do 8k or not an R5. If I want 45MP in a Canon camera I have to buy one that does 8K video. Canon is turning the R5 into the "it does everything" camera. What this is doing is pushing the price up because Canon needs to expend more effort to produce a camera that can do everything well. $300 is a big price hike for air vents.

If Canon came out with a 60MP (or more) R5s that only did 1080p or 4k video, had no air vents, and sold for the same price as the R5 or less, it would be interesting to see what sold best - the R5II or R5s.

8K is effectively a dead video format as far as consumers are concerned (going the way of 3D.)

Well analyzed.

 

[Quarkcharmed]

If Canon came out with a 60MP (or more) R5s that only did 1080p or 4k video, had no air vents, and sold for the same price as the R5 or less, it would be interesting to see what sold best - the R5II or R5s.

If Canon released a high-MP R5S (i.e. > 60Mp), I'd preorder it right away, but I have a feeling the high-MP versions of the 5-series have been abandoned by Canon long time ago. It's been 8 years since the 5Ds(R) experiment, and Canon wouldn't budge for another one.

Tbh I don't think the R5II offers enough to landscape/architecture shooters to make them migrate from their R5's. Looks like there's literally zero new features for landscape: still no GPS, same MP count; I suspect they won't even add zebras to stills Live View. There will be no or very minor improvement in terms of the image quality in landscapes. Maybe slightly higher DR and maybe less hot pixels, but we haven't seen the detailed tests yet.

I'm interested to see the full camera manual pdf though.

 

[tomislavmoze]

What? Clog2 in 4k 120p. Why are the specs not good for you? Sounds like the r5II in better than the FX3.

As a video camera for most people it’s not. Fx3 doesn’t have any time limitations regarding frame rates and overheating. The R52 is only better if you need 8k. As a canon user I do think canon is missing something in that segment since most of professionals don’t need 8k workflow.