Canon EOS R50 V Specifications

[David - Sydney]

Interesting would this also apply to 35MP M6 II vs 24MP R50 V?

That is a good question. I don't think that there have been any detailed testing of the R50v yet but perhaps someone else can point to the R50 tests somewhere

I still routinely use 2 old LP-E6N (almost 10 years old) with my R5, I don't notice a difference in normal photo operation, might be different with video. I only got one E6NH that came with the camera.

All batteries slowly lose their capacity. I really noticed the difference between my older LP-E6 and LP-E6N and LP-E6NH batteries for instance. The latter has 14% extra capacity. And now the P version has a higher peak amperage from what I understand.
I did get a spare NH version with my R5 so it has been rare to need the older ones.

It is interesting to me that the R1 batteries didn't get an upgrade.

 

[CharlesB]

The R5 is almost identical to the R5ii for ergonomics besides the power/video switch and the size of the eye-controlled AF. It would be simple to switch between them or have a backup etc.
Within Canon's ecosystem, the R7 has the highest pixel density allowing for greater "reach" than the others eg R50v with 24mp. The R5 in crop mode is ~17mp.
On the other hand, the advantage of wide aperture bokeh from full frame is also there.

The other issue (storm in a teacup) for the R5 was the overheating drama. Only an issue for 3 video modes: 8k raw, 4k120 and 4kHQ modes.
Of course, it was the only hybrid camera capable of any 8k video at the time but 20 minutes wasn't good enough for the reviewers especially for the rebound times.
All video mode recording times were significantly improved via firmware within a year or so and the R5c basically eliminated them.

I pre-ordered my R5 and will use it until it dies or maybe when the R5iii comes out (3.5 years to go!). The R5ii advantages of eye controlled AF, priority subject AF, speed, flash under ES, rolling shutter etc are all great but don't impact my shooting genres very much. The slight DR loss is not critical but ideal not to lose it for me.
Upgrading also means buying a new back panel of my underwater housing but at least there is an upgrade path rather than buying a whole new housing.


The weight of the R5ii is 742gm, the R5 is 738gm vs 670gm for R6ii ie pretty close. The weight of the 5Diii is 860gm so all MILCs besides the R1 are lighter.

Thanks again for all of the information, very helpful!

I think I'm going to look into the R7 and possibly an R5 if I can find a great deal on it. I think for me, the R7 makes more sense. I'd have to check the forum and see if there's a R7 Mark ii around the corner.

An R5 to complement my R5 Mark ii sounds nice but I'm not sure it's needed. It's still around $1k more than the R7. I will have to research the R7 a bit more and see how I like it.

I was actually looking at OM systems because I follow a macro group on Facebook and noticed a few of the photos I really liked were shot with an OM-1 or something. I was drawn to them because they have focus stacking in the camera that's automatic. I then looked if the R5 Mark ii has it and apparently it does. I still have a lot to learn with the new camera. It feels so different than the dslr. Not a bad thing but I have not used it much because I've been busy at work and it's been winter. Things are warming up, which means I'll be out shooting and learning more!

You've given me a lot to consider and look into, so I really appreciate your time; thanks again!

 

[Bob Howland]

I still do not understand why people think software is free.
Canon does not use open source software downloaded from Sourceforge.
They pay people to write it, test it, maintain it, and support it.

Software is most definitely not free. But once it's written, adding software functionally to another camera can be very low cost. It it's written correctly, adding it can be as simple as a configuration parameter selected at compile time. That's the benefit of writing reusable software libraries.

 

[Bob Howland]

Please understand that SW is not free and there is a cost for it. It may be possible to leverage past SW development but there is always a cost to develop SW and to maintain it (bugfixes/security patches etc).
It is not simple to assign a specific cost to one SW feature compared to a hardware widget.

I found "SW = free" to be particularly true when I was working in China.... If you can't see it then it must be free. Chinese EV manufacturers seem to be now bundling full self drive features into their lower end cars which has a substantial cost. Tesla charges a substantial fee for the same. That said, Tesla can "unlock" Acceleration Boost for ~USD2000 locally which seems excessive.

Personally, I have found that I am willing to pay for new camera hardware (lens etc) but have not been so willing for new SW. That changed after getting PTgui and StarXterminator which make life very simple.

See my post to EOS 4 Life above.

 

[neuroanatomist]

Software is most definitely not free. But once it's written, adding software functionally to another camera can be very low cost. It it's written correctly, adding it can be as simple as a configuration parameter selected at compile time. That's the benefit of writing reusable software libraries.

It can be as simple as that. But consider that when the 1D X came out, it used presumably used software written for earlier cameras that included functionality for orientation-linked AF point and AFMA. But for some reason enabling the former broke the latter until Canon fixed it in subsequent firmware update.

 

[dwkdnvr]

I was actually looking at OM systems because I follow a macro group on Facebook and noticed a few of the photos I really liked were shot with an OM-1 or something. I was drawn to them because they have focus stacking in the camera that's automatic. I then looked if the R5 Mark ii has it and apparently it does. I still have a lot to learn with the new camera. It feels so different than the dslr. Not a bad thing but I have not used it much because I've been busy at work and it's been winter. Things are warming up, which means I'll be out shooting and learning more!

With OM / Olympus, IMHO the killer advantage they have for macro isn't the in-camera stacking - if you're serious enough to focus bracket in the first place you're going to want to use Helicon/Zerene so in-camera stacking is really more of a curiosity. BUT, Olympus /OM Systems cameras can shoot focus brackets *with flash* very easily and conveniently. I'm not entirely sure about the R5II, but on other Canon bodies focus bracketing uses the e-shutter, and so you can't use a flash. Coupled with the small bodies and good-to-great smaller macro lenses, it makes OM/Olympus very attractive for field macro shooting. (this is the reason I kept my E-M1.2 when I got the R7)

 

[neuroanatomist]

I'm not entirely sure about the R5II, but on other Canon bodies focus bracketing uses the e-shutter, and so you can't use a flash.

The R3, R1 and R5II can fire the flash with full electronic shutter, and can collect a focus bracket with flash. Timing is automatic with a Canon flash (it takes the next shot when the flash is ready), but you can also use 3rd party flashes (you can set a lag interval to allow the flash to recycle).

 

[dwkdnvr]

The R3, R1 and R5II can fire the flash with full electronic shutter, and can collect a focus bracket with flash. Timing is automatic with a Canon flash (it takes the next shot when the flash is ready), but you can also use 3rd party flashes (you can set a lag interval to allow the flash to recycle).

Thanks for the clarification - makes sense that the high-end/fast readout bodies can do it.

 

[CharlesB]

With OM / Olympus, IMHO the killer advantage they have for macro isn't the in-camera stacking - if you're serious enough to focus bracket in the first place you're going to want to use Helicon/Zerene so in-camera stacking is really more of a curiosity. BUT, Olympus /OM Systems cameras can shoot focus brackets *with flash* very easily and conveniently. I'm not entirely sure about the R5II, but on other Canon bodies focus bracketing uses the e-shutter, and so you can't use a flash. Coupled with the small bodies and good-to-great smaller macro lenses, it makes OM/Olympus very attractive for field macro shooting. (this is the reason I kept my E-M1.2 when I got the R7)

The R3, R1 and R5II can fire the flash with full electronic shutter, and can collect a focus bracket with flash. Timing is automatic with a Canon flash (it takes the next shot when the flash is ready), but you can also use 3rd party flashes (you can set a lag interval to allow the flash to recycle).

This information is extremely helpful! I was wondering if it would work with flash. I have mainly Flashpoint/Godox flashes. I have a Canon 600EX-RT but it's kind of broken. Still shoots but my wife dropped it and it broke apart, so it's basically glued together and not very stable.

If the R5Mii can focus stack, that's awesome, especially with flash. I believe there is a difference between focus stacking and bracketing. I could be wrong but I thought bracketing was mainly for HDR type images? Where you shoot the image overexposed, underexposed and normally. I'm probably wrong, I've really never did that type of shooting. Though, I'm probably going to try something similar this year like Flambient photography. My place of work would like me to take photos of the showroom and I always thought Flambient photographs looked nice. Just another thing I'm going to have to learn.

When I was looking into OM systems, the main drawback for me was; it seems you can't adapt EF glass to their system. I only did brief research but I also checked Amazon to see if they had OM to EF adapters and I didn't see any but I seen it the other way around, I believe.

I did look into that software before and I'll probably use it. I mainly do handheld macro, so it can be tricky, depending on the subject. I just love macro photo-stacked though. Many of the images are amazing!

If anyone can clarify if the R5Mii can focus stack with flash in camera, I'd really appreciate it. I'm probably just mixing up terms.

Thanks again!

 

[neuroanatomist]

If the R5Mii can focus stack, that's awesome, especially with flash. I believe there is a difference between focus stacking and bracketing. I could be wrong but I thought bracketing was mainly for HDR type images?

TL;DR the R5II does what you want.

Bracketing is collecting multiple images based on a certain starting point. Thus, exposure bracketing is collecting a set of images with different exposures, and focus bracketing is collecting a set of images at different focus distances.

Stacking is putting those multiple images from different focal planes together into a single image The exposure equivalent is producing an HDR image from the multiple exposures. Both can be done in camera, many users prefer to do it with dedicated software because that typically produces better results over which you have more control.

Canon calls focus stacking ‘depth compositing’, and you can optionally turn it off or on when collecting a focus bracket.

See step 6:

Canon : Product Manual : EOS R5 Mark II : Focus Bracketing

cam.start.canon

 

[justaCanonuser]

Sony was criticised for the perceived limitation of E mount due to how narrow it is, but their wide angle lenses have surprised me.
They don't have a 10-20/4 lens though

Canon's and Nikon's new mounts are definitely more flexible, but 46.1mm diameter and 18mm flange distance aren't too bad for good lens designs. As I reminded, Canon engineers managed to design very fast lenses for such a narrow mount of only 39mm and nearly 30mm flange distance.

 

[CharlesB]

TL;DR the R5II does what you want.

Bracketing is collecting multiple images based on a certain starting point. Thus, exposure bracketing is collecting a set of images with different exposures, and focus bracketing is collecting a set of images at different focus distances.

Stacking is putting those multiple images from different focal planes together into a single image The exposure equivalent is producing an HDR image from the multiple exposures. Both can be done in camera, many users prefer to do it with dedicated software because that typically produces better results over which you have more control.

Canon calls focus stacking ‘depth compositing’, and you can optionally turn it off or on when collecting a focus bracket.

See step 6:

Canon : Product Manual : EOS R5 Mark II : Focus Bracketing

cam.start.canon

Thanks for the explanation! I'm really going to have to look into quite a few things.

The R5II is still new to me and I have a lot of learning to do. It's going to be exciting learning though. Since winter is basically over, just need it to get a little nicer out and for the creepy crawlies to start roaming.

 

[David - Sydney]

Software is most definitely not free. But once it's written, adding software functionally to another camera can be very low cost. It it's written correctly, adding it can be as simple as a configuration parameter selected at compile time. That's the benefit of writing reusable software libraries.

Sure, it can be called from a library but it is still a separate SW instance that needs to be tested and maintained.
Canon (and others) still gets things wrong and need to pull firmware updates. Overall, SW is hard and getting harder with the myriad of SW features in current bodies (and lenses).
It is like saying that a colour difference is basically simple and free but it actually has costs for components, manufacturing batches, inventory, packaging, marketing, etc as a completely different SKU.
Why Canon brought out the RF70-200/2.8Z in 2 colours is intriguing given it is a low volume item but clearly their customer feedback was that white and black had separate use cases for them and hence worth the extra cost.

 

[EOS 4 Life]

Software is most definitely not free. But once it's written, adding software functionally to another camera can be very low cost. It it's written correctly, adding it can be as simple as a configuration parameter selected at compile time. That's the benefit of writing reusable software libraries.

Who says they are reusable software libraries?
Everything might be optimized for each camera.

 

[riker]

OK, great, now full-frame please!
Sony did it in 2020, I'm sure we can catch up! Keeping fingers crossed.

 

[Etnaphele]

It would be nice if they actually specified which voltage and amperage it wants, for example my R8 negotiates 5V when it charges, but will ask for 9V when turned on. So a hypothetical USB-C PD charger that is 5V and supplies the maximum allowed current, 5A, would be rated as a 25W charger, but it wouldn't work for powering the cam when it's on.

All USB-C PD power modes max out at 5A, so for higher wattages you can work backwards to see which voltage you need. PD 3.1 added 28V, 36V, and 48V, for 140W, 180W and 240W.

I have never seen a Canon cam use more than 7.5W when charging, so I suspect the "25W" is likely there to signal you need both 5V and 9V support.

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I did a couple of tests with my R6II (for which Canon lists a 45W Anker powerbank with 15V maximum) and the cutoff seems to be 15V for this camera. I tried an 18W (9Vx2A/12Vx1,5A) powerbank and it charged the camera while off but didn't power it when on. A 27W wall brick (capable of 5-9-12-15V up to 5A) did power the camera while on. Unfortunately I don't have any measurement adapter like yours to check actual voltage and power.
What does the R8 draw while powered by USB-C?

 

[koenkooi]

I did a couple of tests with my R6II (for which Canon lists a 45W Anker powerbank with 15V maximum) and the cutoff seems to be 15V for this camera. I tried an 18W (9Vx2A/12Vx1,5A) powerbank and it charged the camera while off but didn't power it when on. A 27W wall brick (capable of 5-9-12-15V up to 5A) did power the camera while on. Unfortunately I don't have any measurement adapter like yours to check actual voltage and power.
What does the R8 draw while powered by USB-C?

That’s when recording 4k60, about 12W, in stills mode that drops to 0.7A, about 6W.

 

[ashmadux]

RF28 pancake : am I dead?

Samyang 12mm is going to be out soon. And Yongnuo has a new 35mm f1.8 prime for RF-S.

28 on crop or ff = yep, dead to me.

I stopped shooting 35mm on crop because it's what i refer to as a 'weirdo' view. Didn't like it at all.

12mm primes...I already have zooms which make more sense. Otherwise way too wide to walk around with, not sure how folks do that.

Finally - I've been adapting lenses to canon crop from quite a few years - and what I've settled on is that the 22f2 replacement is desperately needed as my stay-on lens. It is supported by a uwa zoom. My sigma 32 is the white horse but my only lens that goes to 1.4.

The rf equivalents...not great and slower. Gotta keep hope alive I guess.

 

[koenkooi]

The manual is online, the R50V sadly lacks the HF anti-flicker found in the R8 and R5II. So no indoor video recording during winter at my house, the LED lighting is not using a nice multiple of 50Hz :/

 

[Etnaphele]

The manual is online, the R50V sadly lacks the HF anti-flicker found in the R8 and R5II. So no indoor video recording during winter at my house, the LED lighting is not using a nice multiple of 50Hz :/

Didn't even know that HF anti-flicker can be activated during video on my R6II, thank you! But you're right, it's missing from the R50V (for both stills and video).

As a side note: will the white version of the R50V be a Japan exclusive? Every coverage I saw showed the black version.