5D Mk III vs D800/E, is the 5D3 better at anything?
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PhilDrinkwater said:
IMHO, this is the most subjective issue when judging IQ, but also the most important! When you present your images to a client or just a casual observer, they gauge its visual impact based on the overall "look" it conveys, a certain X-factor if you will, not some highly technical method used to calculate DR or noise.
I was reading some review of a crop Nikon body the other day (D7000?) about how its DR put Canon's full-frame bodies to shame in lab tests. This intrigued me, so I checked out some sample images. They weren't bad, but they looked flat and lifeless compared to what I'm accustomed to out of my antiquated 5DC. Sorry, but I'm not buying a camera based on what some lab tests say. I don't know if any tech specs exist that can gauge this sort of thing, but IMHO the film-like color, contrast, sharpness, and overall IQ of bodies like the 5DC, 5DII, and 1DsIII are why LOTS of working pros shoot Canon.
This isn't strictly a Canon vs. Nikon issue either. If lab tests are all that mattered, why would any Canon shooter opt for anything other than a 7D? Doesn't it match the 5DII and 1DsIII in DR for a fraction of the cost? My hunch is that some people just prefer the look of the files produced by the costlier bodies.
Werd. Let's say the D800 is as great as people are making it out to be, and the 5DIII is as bad as people suggest. Many people will just give credit where credit is due, concede that Nikon has won this round, and stick with Canon because it offers a better overall system.
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The 5D3 is much better at generating controversy within this community. Check out Nikon Rumors - there is nothing like this going on there. Why not?
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BobSanderson said:
Good question. I'd venture to say that it's because the Nikon product line was so bad just five years ago, that even if the D800 isn't the exact camera they wanted spec wise, they're thrilled to finally have an option that can compete with Canon. On the other had, since the digital revolution Canon has set the bar very high, and its users expect nothing less than greatness. It must be odd to see how much the competition has caught up, but personally, I love competition
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Threads like this one are my source of morning entertainment when there is nothing to watch on TV or if I'm waiting for class 
I wonder what kinds of topics we'd see if the two bodied were priced at the same point.
And I'm curious to know what resolutuon D800 people will be using if they use it on trips and whatnot. To me, 36 is too much to use as a regular camera for day in day out/casual photography. More suited for just studio work imo.
I couldnt see myself lugging arounda megapixel monster when hanging around with friends. I dont want to downsize them eigher becauxe then id rather just geta crop body. Plus downsizing the photos would involve editing, which leads to the tenptation to over-process my photos....something I am guiltyof from time to time
Now if my work was mainly studio, then id be more tempted to get the d800....
I wonder what kinds of topics we'd see if the two bodied were priced at the same point.
And I'm curious to know what resolutuon D800 people will be using if they use it on trips and whatnot. To me, 36 is too much to use as a regular camera for day in day out/casual photography. More suited for just studio work imo.
I couldnt see myself lugging arounda megapixel monster when hanging around with friends. I dont want to downsize them eigher becauxe then id rather just geta crop body. Plus downsizing the photos would involve editing, which leads to the tenptation to over-process my photos....something I am guiltyof from time to time
Now if my work was mainly studio, then id be more tempted to get the d800....
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Ivar said:
That's the beauty of it... =) As a package as a whole, its a much better tool, can deliver so much more, in worse conditions, and take a bigger beating, and still produce as good if not better images... It's a great image overall... No one ever snubbed the 5d2 on image quality overall... 5d3 takes the camera as a whole to the next level. No camera is going to make you instantaneously a better photographer out of the box as is... If it's not for you and you cant appreciate the camera for what it is... too bad..
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Well for me it is.
I have always been happy with the image quality of the 5D Mark II.
Except for some things which they have fixed in the 5D Mark III
I really don't care if the DR is 11 or 11.5 or whatever.
So yes I am happy with the Canon 5D mark III
It is very very simple.
If you don't like the 5D Mark III .........then don't buy it....
Like there are NO good pictures in the world left after Nikon has released a 36MP.....
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V8Beast said:BobSanderson said:
Good question. I'd venture to say that it's because the Nikon product line was so bad just five years ago, that even if the D800 isn't the exact camera they wanted spec wise, they're thrilled to finally have an option that can compete with Canon. On the other had, since the digital revolution Canon has set the bar very high, and its users expect nothing less than greatness. It must be odd to see how much the competition has caught up, but personally, I love competition
Good question indeed. Canon, imo, has generally plateaued since 5d2..and to some degree before that. In contrast Nikon has spiked upward dramatically. Since the D3 / D300 launch, Nikon took the lead and has increased their position ever since. Now, a major point in product cycles has revealed Nikon continuing to expand their leadership. Maybe this is Nikon's peak and we're at the beginning of another cycle reversal, with the 5d4, etc leaping ahead in tech in 2014. Maybe not. It simply raises questions, especially when one looks at the quality of Sony sensors.
Bottom line: Only Canon koolaid drinkers can deny Nikon's overall tech leadership since the D3. Yet, does it really matter? I don't think so. Again, it's just about bagging rights imo. And that tide can reverse at any time.
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I have the right to express disagreement the same way as you satisfaction.
Having owned a Canon D60, a 5D1 and currently owning a 5D2 I was expecting the same direction progress from Canon. I was ready to buy a 1Ds Mk3 successor, which as it came out turned to a sports camera. Now Canon seems to be a sports addict with the 5D3 too (ok that's a bit aggregated).
It is the same for many, many users.
Having owned a Canon D60, a 5D1 and currently owning a 5D2 I was expecting the same direction progress from Canon. I was ready to buy a 1Ds Mk3 successor, which as it came out turned to a sports camera. Now Canon seems to be a sports addict with the 5D3 too (ok that's a bit aggregated).
It is the same for many, many users.
Alker said:
Well for me it is.
I have always been happy with the image quality of the 5D Mark II.
Except for some things which they have fixed in the 5D Mark III
I really don't care if the DR is 11 or 11.5 or whatever.
So yes I am happy with the Canon 5D mark III
It is very very simple.
If you don't like the 5D Mark III .........then don't buy it....
Like there are NO good pictures in the world left after Nikon has released a 36MP.....
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jaduffy007 said:V8Beast said:BobSanderson said:
Good question. I'd venture to say that it's because the Nikon product line was so bad just five years ago, that even if the D800 isn't the exact camera they wanted spec wise, they're thrilled to finally have an option that can compete with Canon. On the other had, since the digital revolution Canon has set the bar very high, and its users expect nothing less than greatness. It must be odd to see how much the competition has caught up, but personally, I love competition
Good question indeed. Canon, imo, has generally plateaued since 5d2..and to some degree before that. In contrast Nikon has spiked upward dramatically. Since the D3 / D300 launch, Nikon took the lead and has increased their position ever since. Now, a major point in product cycles has revealed Nikon continuing to expand their leadership. Maybe this is Nikon's peak and we're at the beginning of another cycle reversal, with the 5d4, etc leaping ahead in tech in 2014. Maybe not. It simply raises questions, especially when one looks at the quality of Sony sensors.
Bottom line: Only Canon koolaid drinkers can deny Nikon's overall tech leadership since the D3. Yet, does it really matter? I don't think so. Again, it's just about bagging rights imo.
To some points yes, some points no... for instance you brought the D300 up... Heck it could be argued the D200 rivaled and in some ways bested canons xxd series at the time and D300 took it one step further until canon came out with the 7D which trounced it... Flagships... It's been slight advantage nikon, but with the thinnest of margins... I feel spec wise, the only things the D800 has over the 5d3 is sensor size, pop up flash/flash commander and white balance, assuming Canon hasn't tweeked the AWB to be more accurate. The rest really is up to personal tastes, noise can be argued all day, DR is nice but can leave an image flat looking, color fidelity canon usually has an edge but until tests are done, i'll leave it for now, FPS Canon wins, AF Canon edges nikon in most areas but will concede more tests need to be done, Oh yeah, I do like that d-min option on nikons, but canon has a d-max/highlight tone protect, so i suppose you got to take the good with the bad... In the end it's a tool, a very very very nice tool, they both are, and it's about getting the right tool for the job... and for what it's worth 7d vs D300, 5d3 vs D800, 1dx vs D4/D3x/whatever... IF canon was behind technology wise, it's not by much.
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BobSanderson said:
"What I absolutely don’t like is the fine grain visible even at ISO 100 in smooth middle and darker areas. I remebers me to my D300 which was great, but not so clear and smooth like my D700 at lower ISOs."
a post titled: "Guest post: Nikon D800 criticisms refuted"
"I have my D800 on preorder arriving March 21 but find it funny how all us Nikon folk are defending the D800 agains the MK3 whereas if the cameras were swapped across brands and we got the MK3 wrapped in a Nikon cloak, we’d have the whole Nikon camp cheering all its glory since it looks more like the camera we wanted as a D700 successor. "
"I think people were expecting LARGER pixels from a D800, not SIMILAR to those of enthusiast/semi-pro models."
"Just a quick poll: do you prefer the Nikon D800 the way it is, with a 36.3MP sensor, or you would rather have the D800 with the 16.2MP sensor from the Nikon D4?" Result: 58.7% for the 16MP sensor
... there's not much difference between Canon zealots and Nikon zealots, everyone thinks the grass is greener on the other side. if you feel that pained about your gear, sell it and get what you really want. what would probably do much more for all of our photographic improvement and skill growth, however, is for us all to get off the forums and go out and actually photograph stuff. I don't plan on frequenting here much until 7D Mark II rumors start getting fun. best to everyone, enjoy your gear and USE your gear
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Very interesting now the D800 is also online at Image Resource.
Smear detail also in the D800....
Found this topic:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1032&thread=40908215
Smear detail also in the D800....
Found this topic:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1032&thread=40908215
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To me the 5D III looks better sharpness and High ISO than D800.
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/nikon-d800/nikon-d800A7.HTM
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/nikon-d800/nikon-d800A7.HTM
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As far as I can see.....
Both camera's have there advantages.
However if high ISO is wat you want it seems the 5D Mark III is better
However for low ISO (till 200 ISO) the D800 seems to have the upper hand due to resolution
But Nikon D800 smokes the 5D mark III ---NO WAY
But Canon 5D Mark III smokes the Nikon D800 ---NO WAY
So why the Nikon-Canon war
Both camera's have there advantages.
However if high ISO is wat you want it seems the 5D Mark III is better
However for low ISO (till 200 ISO) the D800 seems to have the upper hand due to resolution
But Nikon D800 smokes the 5D mark III ---NO WAY
But Canon 5D Mark III smokes the Nikon D800 ---NO WAY
So why the Nikon-Canon war
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Is there anyone who browses both canonrumors.com and Nikon forum sites ? Do Nikonites also sweat the details of unreleased Nikon cameras? See flaws in something not yet out, and debate it furiously also from the other side?
Curious to see where Nikon forum users would take their critique of the D4, D800 etc (like canonrumors does about AF, focus screens, f8 focal points etc)
Curious to see where Nikon forum users would take their critique of the D4, D800 etc (like canonrumors does about AF, focus screens, f8 focal points etc)
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