Canon’s global mirrorless market share sits at 41%, with Sony as their “biggest competitor”

[Karm]

The R1 looks impressive, although very specifically focused on the sports professional market. I'm curious about the face tracking and the improved eye AF.

I'm still a bit confused about the fate of the R3 line though. The R1 improves on the R3 in almost all categories (except flippy screen resolution), with the same sensor resolution and aimed at the same type of shooting (sports/action), which just makes the R3 fully obsolete in all categories from the get-go.

I would like to see a flagship type camera with an R3 form factor with increased resolution (around 45-65MPx), slightly lower burst rates (20-30FPS), and their top end cross type AF but without the AI sports tracking. Basically an R1 variant less focused on sports, but more on general shooting. If they do anything with their R3 line, I hope it's this.

 

[DhlcadR6]

The R1 looks impressive, although very specifically focused on the sports professional market. I'm curious about the face tracking and the improved eye AF.

I'm still a bit confused about the fate of the R3 line though. The R1 improves on the R3 in almost all categories (except flippy screen resolution), with the same sensor resolution and aimed at the same type of shooting (sports/action), which just makes the R3 fully obsolete in all categories from the get-go.

I would like to see a flagship type camera with an R3 form factor with increased resolution (around 45-65MPx), slightly lower burst rates (20-30FPS), and their top end cross type AF but without the AI sports tracking. Basically an R1 variant less focused on sports, but more on general shooting. If they do anything with their R3 line, I hope it's this.

R3ii can use a global shutter with dual CFB, so it's proper constant hi-speed and not Sony's short bursts.

Your wish can be fulfilled mostly with R5ii with grip.

 

[RayValdez360]

Canon dropped the ball so bad in it's transition to mirrorless especially in terms of video. As long as my stuff works I am cool but I better not get any more video jobs asking me to use Sony formats. Its not even functionality right now, its the perception and marketing. in an era where video is king. If a person can get a good camera that can do video but also do photo, a lot of people will get Sony since they are said to be the "best" in video on a average consumer level but the photos are actually great too.

 

[Deleted member 386702]

I get it that us old timers don't like change but if you don't think video is the future you're fooling yourself.

hmmm, talking about "fooling yourself", in fact, video may already be the past. AI may be the future (or maybe not that much )...
Meanwhile, photography looks more and more like Rock n'Roll. I can't remember the number of times it was called dead.

 

[Deleted member 386702]

how mentally poor people must be to identify themself with „electronic garbage“!!! ;-)

For most, they don't even need that to identify, they just need a keyboard (sorry, I was just automatically typing).

 

[Deleted member 386702]

which just makes the R3 fully obsolete in all categories from the get-go.

To my sense, focusing on its price - 2250 Euros less than R1 on official France market at this right moment - can make it feel much less "obsolete" (given it's still an excellent camera for its purpose)

 

[Snapster]

Interested in IQ comparisons between R1 and Sony a9iii. I was expecting to be wow'd by the R1 but it was a bit... meh. Much more like an R3ii.

 

[EOS 4 Life]

And calling him an idiot because you disagree with his assessment says more about you than him.

I am not calling him an idiot because I disagree with him.
I have seen a lot of his videos and listened to his lack of knowledge to reach that conclusion.
You point out his experience.
Anyone with his years of experience should know what he is talking about by now.
Jordan does not.
He talks total nonsense.

 

[EOS 4 Life]

I get it that us old timers don't like change but if you don't think video is the future you're fooling yourself. Dedicated cameras are essentially dead. There are basically no mass marketed cameras that don't do video. So we have already gone from dedicated photography cameras to photography cameras that can also shoot video to now video cameras that can also shoot photography.

That category is for dedicated video cameras.
Those sales seem to be waning as hybrid cameras and smartphones add more and more video capabilities.

 

[EOS 4 Life]

Generally love my Canon gear (2xR3 and one R5). Shoot most pro sports, but if I were not nearing retirement, I would look closely at the other two for new purchases, I work next to many people who use both of the other big two and the new offering from those outshine Canon for pro sports.

Other than Nikon's 400 f/2.8 and 600 f/4 I have a hard time imagining what that could be.
Canon is behind in many areas but not pro sports.
Unless you mean sports video where Sony dominates.

 

[EOS 4 Life]

But the R1 is supposed to a "flagship" camera. Had the R1 instead been the R3mii, positioned as a sports camera then there would've been less criticism.

1) People criticize everything that Canon does.
2) Canon's "flagship" model has been a photo journalism / sports camera since the original EOS 1 film camera.

It seems like people are just angry that Canon did not make a camera that they had no intention to buy.
The only thing Canon could have made the R1 to live up to the expectations would be if it was at least 45 MP with high dynamic range and a global shutter.
We have no idea if such a camera could be built for a reasonable price and most people would still buy the R5 II instead anyway.

 

[EOS 4 Life]

And he's not the only one with that opinion. From what I can tell the auto focus for sports (currently basketball, soccer and volleyball) is truly next level and most people reviewing it agree. Most people are also high on the R5mii. But these people are all idiots and grifters so who knows

Funny thing about that.
I do not blame the reviewers for this.
The camera companies send them invites but do not let them know what they are reviewing.
If they knew that they were reviewing sports cameras then they could send people with sports experience to review.
To be fair, they are more previews because they do not have enough time.
Canon made it so easy with the Actiion Priority that people who knew nothing about basketball still took great photos.
At Sony's a9 III event in NYC a lot of these people had no idea what to do.
People like Jared Polin and Dan Watson have sports shooting experience so they are more reflective of professional opinions.
On the other hand, the R5 II is more of an all-around camera so having people who do not shoot sports professionally shoot sports with it is a realistic scenario.

 

[EOS 4 Life]

I would like to see a flagship type camera with an R3 form factor with increased resolution (around 45-65MPx), slightly lower burst rates (20-30FPS), and their top end cross type AF but without the AI sports tracking. Basically an R1 variant less focused on sports, but more on general shooting. If they do anything with their R3 line, I hope it's this.

I think Canon could pull that off with the R3 line.
I do not think Canon could make a reliable enough camera for it to earn an R!S badge but it could be a testbed for one.
In retrospect, that seems to be what the R3 was.

 

[Karm]

R3ii can use a global shutter with dual CFB, so it's proper constant hi-speed and not Sony's short bursts.

Your wish can be fulfilled mostly with R5ii with grip.

The R5ii + grip combo is (I assume) less weather resistant, less streamlined, has a limited buffer and a significantly less high-end EVF. It does check a lot of the boxes though, so definitely worth considering.

 

[Richard CN]

The R1 looks impressive, although very specifically focused on the sports professional market. I'm curious about the face tracking and the improved eye AF.

I'm still a bit confused about the fate of the R3 line though. The R1 improves on the R3 in almost all categories (except flippy screen resolution), with the same sensor resolution and aimed at the same type of shooting (sports/action), which just makes the R3 fully obsolete in all categories from the get-go.

it's just going to be a cheaper version.
That was really the EOS-3. was still a great camera, but not as expensive or high performing as the EOS-1 at the time

I would like to see a flagship type camera with an R3 form factor with increased resolution (around 45-65MPx), slightly lower burst rates (20-30FPS), and their top end cross type AF but without the AI sports tracking. Basically an R1 variant less focused on sports, but more on general shooting. If they do anything with their R3 line, I hope it's this.

the burst rates would most likely be closer to 15 at 65mp. Canon has to move a lot of data to do 65mp

but yes, I would like to see them bring back a R1s variant.

but likely what we'll get is a R5 mark III with a 70mp sensor or something.

 

[David_B]

lol, do you really think soccer moms are a significant portion camera sales in 2024? As a soccer dad I never see anyone taking pictures with anything but their phones. I think that is part of the disconect with the forum. People here tend to trend older and seem a bit detached from what the market is doing.

If the R8-II/R10-II can follow THEIR kid around playing football (and phones can't), then yes. All it takes is for one to get the camera with this ability, take it along to the weekend sports, get video/photos of THEIR kids without needing to worry about the camera focusing on other kids, and to start yapping about that to her friends. Parents want to brag about THEIR kids and want to capture THEIR kids doing stuff, not the rest of the team.

 

[koenkooi]

If the R8-II/R10-II can follow THEIR kid around playing football (and phones can't), then yes. All it takes is for one to get the camera with this ability, take it along to the weekend sports, get video/photos of THEIR kids without needing to worry about the camera focusing on other kids, and to start yapping about that to her friends. Parents want to brag about THEIR kids and want to capture THEIR kids doing stuff, not the rest of the team.

Check the rules for the venue and participating clubs, most kid focused things here have a ‘no photos, no socials’ policy. It doesn’t tend to get enforced for phones, but if you show up with a EOS R and Sigma 105 f/1.4, you will quickly get asked to stow your camera. That venue now strictly enforces the policy, so phones aren’t welcome anymore either.

Don’t be that person, even by accident

 

[candyman]

Check the rules for the venue and participating clubs, most kid focused things here have a ‘no photos, no socials’ policy. It doesn’t tend to get enforced for phones, but if you show up with a EOS R and Sigma 105 f/1.4, you will quickly get asked to stow your camera

Then something has changed here. When my son played football (2011-2014) it was very normal to take photos along the football field with a camera (DSLR) and lens (70-300 / 100-400). In fact, parents were happy to have me there and I took many photos of their children and sent them to them. But maybe I was an exception though other perents had those cameras and lenses as well. I even saw EF 300 f/2.8 and EF400 f/2.8 prime lenses.
About that policy: It's a shame that the freedom of photography is becoming increasingly limited. Look at those beautiful images from the past (1880 - 1980). Very nice documentation of a time period with little to no limitations. It is precisely through little restriction that you get an interesting and balanced picture of the past.

 

[CJaurelius]

Ordinary Filmmaker has a video out discussing the numbers behind the 41% market share report from Technosystems Research. Keep in mind he is a pro Canon channel, has aldready preordered the R5mii and encourages everyone to buy Canon (through his links of course) Here are the results:

Company	Market Share	Change From Last Year
Canon	41.2%	Down 5.3%
Sony	32.1%	Up 6%
Nikon	13.2%	UP 1.5%
Fujifilm	8%	Up 2.2%

As I mentioned before, he notes that Canon was doing extremely well with DSLR's while Sony has been leading in mirrorless category. The collapse of DSLR sales in 2023 has therefore resulted in one of the largest single year shifts in market share toward Sony. Nikon and Fuji who also don't rely on DSLR sales didn't get hit by that collapse and therefore also increased market share.

On the positive side he is seeing a record number of presales of the R5mii and R1 over any Canon camera he has covered over the last 5 years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4RIdOoLPiA&t=565s

 

[neuroanatomist]

Then something has changed here. When my son played football (2011-2014) it was very normal to take photos along the football field with a camera (DSLR) and lens (70-300 / 100-400). In fact, parents were happy to have me there and I took many photos of their children and sent them to them. But maybe I was an exception though other perents had those cameras and lenses as well. I even saw EF 300 f/2.8 and EF400 f/2.8 prime lenses.

Perhaps it's just the geography. I brought my R3 and RF 100-300/2.8L to plenty of school events for grades ranging from elementary to high school last year (and have for several years, with varying gear over time). I plan to do so again this year. I routinely share the pics with the relevant school contact (coach, band director, etc.), who usually posts them on a Google drive for other parents, and often a few of the images end up in the school yearbooks.