Canon Announces the EOS 5D Mark IV DSLR

Ladislav said:
Stop complaining about price in EU/UK. The same happens with every product but with more expensive products, difference is more visible. You can't just use conversion from dollar to euro / pound and expect to have the final price in your country. That is not how it works. VAT and duty are obvious additions but the biggest jump is caused by local regulations, customer protection and warranty. That is why we pay more (I live in UK). If you don't like it, wait for grey market.

Anyway it is very expensive - I'm bit afraid how much will 6DII cost because that is more in my area of interest.
You ask us to stop complaining about price. At the same time you admit it is very expensive. Isn't that a complaint?
 
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tron said:
Ladislav said:
Stop complaining about price in EU/UK. The same happens with every product but with more expensive products, difference is more visible. You can't just use conversion from dollar to euro / pound and expect to have the final price in your country. That is not how it works. VAT and duty are obvious additions but the biggest jump is caused by local regulations, customer protection and warranty. That is why we pay more (I live in UK). If you don't like it, wait for grey market.

Anyway it is very expensive - I'm bit afraid how much will 6DII cost because that is more in my area of interest.
You ask us to stop complaining about price. At the same time you admit it is very expensive. Isn't that a complaint?

I'm not sure if people are complaining about the price as such or their assumed price differential between EU/UK and US.
 
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M_S said:
Ladislav said:
Stop complaining about price in EU/UK.
Simply no. If one has been looking forward to this release and is then let down by features and, above all, the high price point, that one has all the right to complain about it. This is no praise all Canon forum, its a forum of multiple opinions.
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Vat& Taxes -> 20% difference. But the Delta is up to 30%
 
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Euro 4,000+ body only. I see. Canon have experts in finance maybe they have in mind Euro will collapse and equivalence will fall under the USD. I'm converting my savings to USD! ::)

As for the 5D Mk. IV, maybe on a business trip to US...

I think the grey market is celebrating with the Mk. IV announcement.
 
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Mikehit said:
M_S said:
Dual pixel raw explained:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcQ9MSRRvn4

Seems to me, that the area you can adjust is very very tiny.

I didn't expect anything else

Exactly. I'm more enthusiastic about it now than I was when we were discussing the rumour. It's not Lytro, but it will fix those shots where the eyelashes are in focus and the eye isn't, and that's good enough for me.
 
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Mikehit said:
E said:
Why not 120fps 1080p? Canon left this out on purpose.

If by 'on purpose' you mean 'perfectly sound engineering reasons' then probably yes.

No, I mean that they crippled it on purpose. Are you enjoying bashing people who also use the video function?

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E said:
The specs are out, now hope is dead, and all these years I waited for nothing.
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Why not 120fps 1080p? Canon left this out on purpose.
Well, everything they left out they probably left out on purpose. It's not like some engineer sitting at Canon is reading the release right now and thinking "sh!t, we forgot to add 120fps, hold the presses!".

It's about market segmentation. Canon decided "pro video" is more valuable than stills photography and decided to milk it by pushing people to the 1DX2 oder whatever 1DC there might be. You can hate the desicion, but you can't demand Canon put in all kinds of video features that would cannibalize their own proper video line. Budget for Professional Videographers is different than for stills, I also doubt many people using these cams professionally would fret much over 1K here or there, keeping in mind how much revenue you can genereate from these cameras.
After the DSLR Video revolution people expect that they get everything that makes up a "pro capable" camera in those very affordable models. I would love that, but it's not how the world works.

I also don't mind the 1.64 Crop in 4K, it should even be possible to throw on an Sigma 18-35/1.8 for APS-C since it doesnt protrude into the body. Image circle should be fine and it's wide-angle enough. Would I love for it to have a mode available without crop? Sure. But that would eat battery like crazy and require more heat dissipation.
Canon took the very easy way out by just using native pixels and using a low compression codec. I bet otherwise we wouldn't have seen 4K in the current generation at all.

Yes, Focus peaking and Zebras would be nice, but I'm counting on the Magic Lantern guys to have their way into this cam after about a year from now. There's going to be lots of interest and demand fpr this cam.

Would I prefer more features and even better hardware at a lower price? you bet. But this camera will be bought in droves by people depending on their camera daily or at least multiple times a week. Maybe some videographers have to look elsewhere or wait a year for Magic Lantern, as you had to do on the 5D3 anyways.

But 1D X Mark II is missing out on things 1D C could do, for example C-log. And test sites say the 1080p is not as good in X Mark II as it was in 1D C.

I love Canon photo quality. I want a stills camera that can shoot video as good as 1 DC, but with slow motion. I like the less weight/less price of the 5D series, and what I ask for would have been possible. An 1D C Mark II could have been a heavier and costlier, but OK option - if it were available.

And I have not complained about anything else than that Mark IV lacks 100/120fps.
 
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E said:
But 1D X Mark II is missing out on things 1D C could do, for example C-log. And test sites say the 1080p is not as good in X Mark II as it was in 1D C.
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And I have not complained about anything else than that Mark IV lacks 100/120fps.
Ah yes, you might have done so in your original post. but as with all video shooters they (understandably) complain about missing video-centric features. Now you start mourning the missing c-log. I get it, really do. But the 5D Mark IV ist foremost not a video camera for professionals. The only reason DSLRs are even in that "video mess" is the look that can be achieved through readily available lenses. That lead to many "pros" to start shooting on DSLRs instead of "professional equipment". Now everyone demands the highest video quality on every new body, and while this certainly would be nice, this is not the market situation we live in. Or at least Canon decided this would be two different markets with two different pricepoints. Yes, the 1DX2 lacks c-log, it is still only a video camera second to stills.
Yes, I would have loved to have the perfect video package alongside perfect stills. But no, this is apparently not possible without some compromise.

I love Canon photo quality. I want a stills camera that can shoot video as good as 1 DC, but with slow motion. I like the less weight/less price of the 5D series, and what I ask for would have been possible. An 1D C Mark II could have been a heavier and costlier, but OK option - if it were available.
I'm sure there will be something video-centric around soon. It's just not this camera. But then again, I never expected it to have all those video features previously only provided by Magic Lantern. We ARE talking about canon here. ;)
 
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Ladislav said:
Stop complaining about price in EU/UK. The same happens with every product but with more expensive products, difference is more visible. You can't just use conversion from dollar to euro / pound and expect to have the final price in your country. That is not how it works. VAT and duty are obvious additions but the biggest jump is caused by local regulations, customer protection and warranty. That is why we pay more (I live in UK). If you don't like it, wait for grey market.

Anyway it is very expensive - I'm bit afraid how much will 6DII cost because that is more in my area of interest.

The pounds is much weaker now than prior to the Brexit Vote, 1.58 £ to the yen on 23rd June, 1.33 now. That's almost a £600 difference on a product that retails at £3599 today.
 
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George D. said:
Price aside, I find this "dual pixel Raw" a workflow nightmare. You have to decide whether "Left-side" bokeh is better than "Right-side" ? That's politics. Bokeh is an abstract anyway.
Then don't. :)
I almost never shoots brackets, but it's still nice the option exists for the few times I need it.

If it turns out Dual Pixel RAW can save my focus so that in very demanding situations I only have to shoot 5 instead of 20 frames to get a keeper, I don't mind the additional workload for the occasional pic. I'm not looking to tweak bokeh, though some people will. I'm not looking for deghosting, though it might prove valuable with some nightscape city shots.

Point is: nobody loses a thing, and I suppose the technology is here to stay. I only wish for third party converters to pick this up so I don't have to break workflow. But in the meantime if I must, so be it. I can always keep on working without except for the few most critical shots.
 
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E said:
No, I mean that they crippled it on purpose. Are you enjoying bashing people who also use the video function?

Not at all.
The 1Dx2 has video but not as good as you want it. The 1DC has a better video functionality than the 1Dx but is even more expensive
It is just that people seem to be complaining that they have not got an improved a stills camera with as good video as the 1DC in a package for half the price.

Its the age old business formula: cost-functions-quality. Pick 2 from 3.
 
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1.74x crop factor in 4K mode and the 5D4 still does not allow to use Canon APS-C crop lenses?

Aside from the Dualpixel option, for filmmakers this camera is a spec nightmare and outperformed in many ways already: pretty disappointing, Canon!

Filmmakers will have more fun buying THREE GH4 plus Canon Speedboosters.
 
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Really nit-picky, but as a photojournalist that just bought a 1DX mark II and is loving it..

Canon really had to go and put IPTC metadata in the 5D IV and not the 1DX mark II? Like, they couldn't put that in their $6,000 news camera?

I have my own workflow and don't particularly need to change it, but it would have been nice to be able to embed more data in-camera. I really hope they put this in a firmware update to the 1DX mark II.
 
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Thanks Canon UK, for screwing us Irish Photographers one more time!

5D4 price
Ireland €4899 https://store.canon.ie/canon-eos-5d-mark-iv-body/1483C026/
UK £3629 = €4111.72 https://store.canon.co.uk/canon-eos-5d-mark-iv-body/1483C026/
Germany €4065 https://store.canon.de/canon-eos-5d-mark-iv-gehaeuse/1483C026/

You must think we're bloody stupid!
 
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Chaitanya said:
Skipping it, waiting for 6D replacement as long as it comes with Dual SD slots(since its dumbass Canon) keeping expectations low.


A 24 or 28MP 6D2 is going to be fantastic. But I'm 100% agreed with you, unless it has dual SD, I'm not interested.

Knowing Canon, it will be a single slot to deter anyone from having any thoughts of using it for money-making purposes. Very short-sighted, as there are many out there who value data protection outside of business purposes.

But anyway, this is the 5D4 thread, we'll discuss the 6D2 in new threads which will be coming soon....
 
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Loibisch said:
E said:
But 1D X Mark II is missing out on things 1D C could do, for example C-log. And test sites say the 1080p is not as good in X Mark II as it was in 1D C.
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And I have not complained about anything else than that Mark IV lacks 100/120fps.
Ah yes, you might have done so in your original post. but as with all video shooters they (understandably) complain about missing video-centric features. Now you start mourning the missing c-log. I get it, really do. But the 5D Mark IV ist foremost not a video camera for professionals. The only reason DSLRs are even in that "video mess" is the look that can be achieved through readily available lenses. That lead to many "pros" to start shooting on DSLRs instead of "professional equipment". Now everyone demands the highest video quality on every new body, and while this certainly would be nice, this is not the market situation we live in. Or at least Canon decided this would be two different markets with two different pricepoints. Yes, the 1DX2 lacks c-log, it is still only a video camera second to stills.
Yes, I would have loved to have the perfect video package alongside perfect stills. But no, this is apparently not possible without some compromise.

I love Canon photo quality. I want a stills camera that can shoot video as good as 1 DC, but with slow motion. I like the less weight/less price of the 5D series, and what I ask for would have been possible. An 1D C Mark II could have been a heavier and costlier, but OK option - if it were available.
I'm sure there will be something video-centric around soon. It's just not this camera. But then again, I never expected it to have all those video features previously only provided by Magic Lantern. We ARE talking about canon here. ;)

I'm only responding to you referring me to the 1D X Mark II instead of the 5D Mark IV. It's not really comfortable buying an even more expensive and heavy camera, that is crippled (on purpose) in comparison to Canon's 2012 model.

1D C and 1D X were announced the same quarter 2012, and Canons film consultant did seem to think that the 1D X Mark II replaced them both in a good way, in Canons introduction video for the 1D X Mark II.

I don't really get why so many here does not think it is legit to complain, when Canon deliberately cripples its products? The word "video" seems to be really provocative. A Canon camera can do both, in a beautiful stills camera body. Canon has the technology, and the most beautiful color space.

I only wanted 100/120fps in Mark IV. I wasn't demanding the most perfect camera in every aspect ever made, suited to make Hollywood blockbusters. I work with film, and am most familiar with the difference between pixel count and quality.
 
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