Canon EOS R1 & Canon EOS R5 Mark II announcement coming July 17

[scyrene]

Yeah, I’m not usually one to preorder anything. I really appreciate trying a body before I buy. Part of me thinks I should do what you suggest, but I’m also not really in a massive hurry as my kit is still functional for my needs (just not perfect). We’ll see.

If you're not in a hurry then I would wait, although who knows when they will be easily available.

 

[DBounce]

It took Sony 5 years to come out with the A9III - after the first two attempts were "meh"

I'm pretty sure Canon will get close if not better - on their first try.

First try?… We’ve been waiting for this camera since the R5… then Canon released the R3 out of the blue, snubbing the R1. I’m sure most here would agree the R1 has been a long time in the making. Fast rolling shutter or not, that rumor sounds far less impressive when Sony has a camera with a global shutter on the market. I guess what I’m saying is the bar has been raised, and I’m hoping Canon recognizes this and has upped the ante. If it is only equivalent to the A9III, frankly it would be a bit disappointing. I’m hoping for some standout features… Like next gen dynamic range 17+ stops… Near infallible AF… Amazing app control that is reliable… Opengate mode with in camera desqueeze; It’s got to have something to really set it apart. To decisively show that this is the flagship we have been waiting for. I’m just not sure the rumors are pointing to this. It seems much more like an R3 MkII… even the resolution is essentially the same.

 

[neuroanatomist]

I’m sure most here would agree the R1 has been a long time in the making.

Only those who lack the ability to do simple math. As I already asked, can you fill in the blank for the following progression of 1-series body release years?

2012 – EOS 1D X
2016 – EOS 1D X II
2020 – EOS 1D X III
____ – EOS R1

If you can, you’ll see that the R1 has been in the making for exactly the expected period of time.

 

[ShowMeTheEagles]

Last rumor I read, readout speed will be slower than the R3, barely fast enough (if at all) to support flash with electronic shutter.

I was referring to rolling shutter, but I don't think banding w/ flash is 100% avoidable using ES -- a big downside of the Nikon Z9/8 w/o mechanical shutter and also big plus for the A1 III's global shutter. Back to rolling shutter though, I'm confident that rolling shutter on the R5 II will be no worse than the R3, which is pretty damn good. I just don't see the R3 having much over the R5 II -- just what's been noted. It will be a world behind the R1 or the R1 will be a punchline.

 

[ShowMeTheEagles]

Wouldn't it be sensible to preorder as soon as you can? You can always cancel if the specs disappoint. If you do it the other way round, you might miss out on the first batch of deliveries.

I hear ya, and as an early adopter myself agree. But also as an early adopter I can say missing out on the first batch isn't always a bad thing.

 

[neuroanatomist]

I was referring to rolling shutter, but I don't think banding w/ flash is 100% avoidable using ES -- a big downside of the Nikon Z9/8 w/o mechanical shutter and also big plus for the A1 III's global shutter.

They’re linked. The R3 has a 1/180 s sync speed (= 5.5 ms) awith electronic shutter. That’s not quite as fast as a mechanical shutter, which is usually 1/250 s (= 4 ms readout), but it works. I suspect the R5 will have a readout speed of ~6 ms – much faster than the R5 but slower than the R3.

Back to rolling shutter though, I'm confident that rolling shutter on the R5 II will be no worse than the R3, which is pretty damn good. I just don't see the R3 having much over the R5 II -- just what's been noted. It will be a world behind the R1 or the R1 will be a punchline.

I lack your confidence. I suspect it will be slower. When they announce the specs, if there’s a flash sync speed for electronic shutter that will approximate the readout speed.

 

[Quack]

Only those who lack the ability to do simple math. As I already asked, can you fill in the blank for the following progression of 1-series body release years?

2012 – EOS 1D X
2016 – EOS 1D X II
2020 – EOS 1D X III
____ – EOS R1

If you can, you’ll see that the R1 has been in the making for exactly the expected period of time.

Pretty obvious. Unfortunate that social media and the internet has made idiots out of so many people.

 

[Del Paso]

First try?… We’ve been waiting for this camera since the R5… then Canon released the R3 out of the blue, snubbing the R1. I’m sure most here would agree the R1 has been a long time in the making. Fast rolling shutter or not, that rumor sounds far less impressive when Sony has a camera with a global shutter on the market. I guess what I’m saying is the bar has been raised, and I’m hoping Canon recognizes this and has upped the ante. If it is only equivalent to the A9III, frankly it would be a bit disappointing. I’m hoping for some standout features… Like next gen dynamic range 17+ stops… Near infallible AF… Amazing app control that is reliable… Opengate mode with in camera desqueeze; It’s got to have something to really set it apart. To decisively show that this is the flagship we have been waiting for. I’m just not sure the rumors are pointing to this. It seems much more like an R3 MkII… even the resolution is essentially the same.

And I guess many are also waiting for an A9 with acceptable DR, 100 basic ISO.
To put it differently, a camera not only for beta-testers...

 

[john1970]

I lack your confidence. I suspect it will be slower. When they announce the specs, if there’s a flash sync speed for electronic shutter that will approximate the readout speed.

Why do you think the R5 Mk2 readout speed will be less than the R3? Is it simply due to the large increase in the number of pixels from 24 MP to 45 MP? I would hope that in the three years since the R3 that Canon has improved their processing speed and data bandwidth so the R5 Mk2 could have a flash sync speed of 1/250.

Less than two weeks from now we should have a definitive answer to this question.

 

[Canon Rumors]

Calling an unreleased camera a Lada hardly seems fair. I’ll reserve judgment until I’ve shot with one.

The a9iii is a turd for photography... Nothing more than a marketing camera for YouTubers

 

[neuroanatomist]

Why do you think the R5 Mk2 readout speed will be less than the R3? Is it simply due to the large increase in the number of pixels from 24 MP to 45 MP?

Based on a prior rumor about the readout speed of the R5II. Still, just a rumor.

I would hope that in the three years since the R3 that Canon has improved their processing speed and data bandwidth so the R5 Mk2 could have a flash sync speed of 1/250.

I suspect the R1 will have that or faster. I suspect the R5II will be slower.

Less than two weeks from now we should have a definitive answer to this question.

Maybe. If the R5II readout speed is fast enough for flash with ES, then yes. If not, we won’t really know until it’s tested.

 

[mdcmdcmdc]

Yeah, I’m not usually one to preorder anything. I really appreciate trying a body before I buy. Part of me thinks I should do what you suggest, but I’m also not really in a massive hurry as my kit is still functional for my needs (just not perfect). We’ll see.

Given the R5's loyal following, I expect the R52 will be in high demand. If you think you might want it, my advice would be to go ahead and preorder. If recent history is any guide, it will be weeks, if not months, after the official announcement before units start shipping to regular users in any meaningful quantity ("regular users" = not selected pros and without an established YouTube review channel with lots of followers). If the early reviews convince you it's not for you, you can always cancel your preorder. But with demand that high, it may be a long time before camera shops have "display" units for people to try out in-store.

 

[Canon Rumors]

Based on a prior rumor about the readout speed of the R5II. Still, just a rumor.


I suspect the R1 will have that or faster. I suspect the R5II will be slower.


Maybe. If the R5II readout speed is fast enough for flash with ES, then yes. If not, we won’t really know until it’s tested.

I was told 6ms by a very good source..... But that was just a random number with no context. That source has never provided a return email address... But they've never been wrong outside of an announcement date.

 

[Canon Rumors]

Given the R5's loyal following, I expect the R52 will be in high demand. If you think you might want it, my advice would be to go ahead and preorder. If recent history is any guide, it will be weeks, if not months, after the official announcement before units start shipping to regular users in any meaningful quantity ("regular users" = not selected pros and without an established YouTube review channel with lots of followers). If the early reviews convince you it's not for you, you can always cancel your preorder. But with demand that high, it may be a long time before camera shops have "display" units for people to try out in-store.

It will... It's not a $10k decision now... It's $4k.. people have RF lenses.

 

[mdcmdcmdc]

Only those who lack the ability to do simple math. As I already asked, can you fill in the blank for the following progression of 1-series body release years?

2012 – EOS 1D X
2016 – EOS 1D X II
2020 – EOS 1D X III
____ – EOS R1

If you can, you’ll see that the R1 has been in the making for exactly the expected period of time.

Pretty obvious. Unfortunate that social media and the internet has made idiots out of so many people.

On the other hand, the original film EOS 1 was released in September, 1989, exactly 2-1/2 years after the first EOS body (650) in March, 1987. The EOS R was released in October, 2018, so the R system has now gone more than twice as long (5-3/4 years) without an anointed "flagship".

Of course, the camera industry was very different in 1989, and Canon had to do a lot more to convince pros to adopt the new system. Flagship body notwithstanding, Canon has done a much better job this time around maintaining compatibility with the previous series of lenses.

 

[snapshot]

The a9iii is a turd for photography... Nothing more than a marketing camera for YouTubers

What does it not do? I guess the base ISO is 250 and there does not seem to be any dual gain, so I think the DR looses a stop for the global shutter. is there something else wrong with it? I am using the R5 with VND adapter for outdoor portraits, but Flash-sync at 1/16000 would be another approach.

 

[mimbu]

So is that 45mp BSI stacked sensor just coincidentally almost identically spec'd to the Z8/Z9 sensor? Or has Canon decided "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" and started to buy Sony sensors?

Guess we'll have to wait for a tear-down to find out with reasonable certainty.

 

[Canon Rumors]

What does it not do? I guess the base ISO is 250 and there does not seem to be any dual gain, so I think the DR looses a stop for the global shutter. is there something else wrong with it? I am using the R5 with VND adapter for outdoor portraits, but Flash-sync at 1/16000 would be another approach.

Can't use it indoors if there are modern lights... Autofocus is horribly unreliable.

I know two AP pros at Euro and both gave the a9iii back and rolled with the a1. One of them said it was the worst stills camera he has ever used....

The only real photographers that use them is if they got them for free or are contractually obligated to do so. They're probably rolling with a1s anyway.

It's a YouTuber camera... Global shutter was just Sony R&D unable to solve problems. I can't believe anyone paid $6500 for that thing.

I don't know about the video side... not my wheelhouse.

 

[mimbu]

The a9iii is a turd for photography... Nothing more than a marketing camera for YouTubers

A9iii is the future, and the best MILC that has been created to date. What the original A9 was for stacked BSI sensors and high speed AF, the A9iii is for global shutter and even better AF.

 

[neuroanatomist]

On the other hand, the original film EOS 1 was released in September, 1989, exactly 2-1/2 years after the first EOS body (650) in March, 1987.

The 1D came out the year after the D30. There were three ‘flagships’ for a while (two digital and one film). None of that is really relevant today. An R1 in 2024 is right on schedule.