Canon EOS R1 & impressions by professional sports photographer Jeff Cable

Doing the math, I do not see why Canon can't make a 20 FPS R1 S with similar capabilities to the R1.
I do realize it is an engineering problem and not a math problem.
I want that.

BUT - a 100MP R1s would be 10fps. if canon was to make an R1s - they shouldn't (IMO) settle for something like 60mp, 45 to 60 is too pedestrian.
 
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Citation needed.
Those who are convinced their personal opinions are objective facts will not provide any. Such people never seem to realize how foolish they look when making such asinine statements.

Such people exist in all walks of life. In the context of this forum, that people believe they know more about the best strategy for Canon to make and sell cameras is simply ludicrous. If people would simply state a personal desire, they would not look like such morons. Instead, they have to frame their personal desire as the best business plan for the company that dominates the camera industry…and look like fools in the process.
 
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Once Canon has sufficient convidence in a higher resolution sensor and is able to get heat dissipation and overall performance with 8K video comparable or better than the R5 mk II with it's vented body in a the 1 series larger but non-vented housing. Because that's definitely going to be seen as a preresquisite for such a camera by the broader public regardless of whether many actual users will be using such functionality or not.
That is a pretty big ask.
The venting of the R5 II would probably not be acceptable in a 1-series body
The R1 handles heat far better than the R3 does.
I could see an R3 S coming out first as a test ground.
That would make a lot of folks happy but not everyone.
 
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I'd buy a 100 mpix R1s with 10fps in a heartbeat! And I'm sure many others would too, even if it had no video mode at all.
Many others? I believe there was a stat posted a little while ago that said the 5 series cameras outsell the 1 series by about 30 to 1. So, not many people buy or can afford to buy a 1 series camera to begin with. There have been rumors of a high MP camera from Canon for a number of years now. But no such camera has been announced, and Canon decided that the R5 II would remain at 45 mp. Why do suppose that is? My guess is that their market research tells them that not enough people will buy a high mp camera. And I would also guess that Canon does not believe that 100 mps crammed into a FF sensor will be worth some of the sacrifices that would occur in image quality, speed, etc., or even enough noticeable resolution gain over a 45 mp sensor to produce such a camera.
 
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Many others? I believe there was a stat posted a little while ago that said the 5 series cameras outsell the 1 series by about 30 to 1. So, not many people buy or can afford to buy a 1 series camera to begin with. There have been rumors of a high MP camera from Canon for a number of years now. But no such camera has been announced, and Canon decided that the R5 II would remain at 45 mp. Why do suppose that is? My guess is that their market research tells them that not enough people will buy a high mp camera. And I would also guess that Canon does not believe that 100 mps crammed into a FF sensor will be worth some of the sacrifices that would occur in image quality, speed, etc., or even enough noticeable resolution gain over a 45 mp sensor to produce such a camera.

For that I point my finger into Fuji's GFX 50 and 100 mpix cameras, which continue to sell extremely well. Fuji has stated that the sales have been overwhelming and apparently they've sold more of those cameras than the whole remaining medium format market combined and for several years in row.

I don't think market research has anything to do with it. I think Canon has simply fallen behind when it comes to sensor tech, especially in their top tier cameras. Everything else is still excellent quality - the bodybuild, the electronics, the ergonomics, the autofocus etc. But their sensors are barely keeping up with the competition.

I also feel that Canon has spent time on pretty much useless features, such as internal upscaling and internal AI denoise, What is the usercase scenario here? When is the last time anzone thought "man, I wish I could upscale this unedited RAW into a high resolution JPG right here in the camera"?
 
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For that I point my finger into Fuji's GFX 50 and 100 mpix cameras, which continue to sell extremely well. Fuji has stated that the sales have been overwhelming and apparently they've sold more of those cameras than the whole remaining medium format market combined and for several years in row. I don't think market research has anything to do with it.
Making reasonable (even generous) assumptions based on Fuji’s IR materials, they seem to be selling about 15,000 medium format units per year.

Canon’s production of the similarly-priced R1 suggests they anticipate selling about 45,000 units per year.

The market data suggest that the demand for 100+ MP cameras simply isn’t that strong.

I think Canon has simply fallen behind when it comes to sensor tech, especially in their top tier cameras.
We get it. They don’t do what you think they should, that must mean they are not capable of it. What you want must be what everyone wants, so if Canon isn’t giving it to the multitudes that you believe you speak for, it’s because they can’t.
 
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Many others? I believe there was a stat posted a little while ago that said the 5 series cameras outsell the 1 series by about 30 to 1. So, not many people buy or can afford to buy a 1 series camera to begin with. […]
So the high MP 5 series outsells the low MP 1 series. From that statistic one could say that a high MP 1-series would also sell well.

Your conclusion seems to be close to “people aren’t buying a camera Canon doesn’t sell” ;)

I honestly don’t know how well a high MP one series would sell, the price difference to the already expensive 5 series is substantial. Too substantial for my budget :)
 
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How the 1-series target market has shifted over time, according to Canon's release announcements:

1DIV: "virtually every category from photojournalism and sports through nature, wedding, portrait and fashion to commercial, industrial and law enforcement."
1DX: "such fields as sports photography, photojournalism and studio photography"
1DX2: "aimed at sports, news and wildlife"
1DX3: "Ideal for sports and wildlife"
R1: "in a wide range of fields including sports, news reporting and high-end video production"
 
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Indeed. Isn’t it funny how Canon keeps dominating the industry?
Yes, TheNewCamera uses AI to predict Canons demise: “AI Predicts Canon’s Downfall: Report Raises Red Flags!” :D .


They made the same stupid mistake as the OFM by comparing 2023 mirrorless marketshare with 2022 ILC marketshare (which includes DSLR, as you have pointed out in another thread) and used that comparison to forecast Canon’s marketshare in 2033 as 7.7% (versus 82.1%) for Sony.

I’ve left feedback that they’ve made this blunder, my feedback is “awaiting moderation”. Other comments, made after mine, have been posted :unsure:.
 
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They made the same stupid mistake as the OFM by comparing 2023 mirrorless marketshare with 2022 ILC marketshare (which includes DSLR, as you have pointed out in another thread) and used that comparison to forecast Canon’s marketshare in 2033 as 7.7% (versus 82.1%) for Sony.
From the article:
This report should not be taken seriously in any context since these are analyses done by AI, the artificial intelligence.
Apparently their AI is just A and lacks sufficient I. Still, they should be embarrassed for not catching a simple error like that.
 
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How the 1-series target market has shifted over time, according to Canon's release announcements:

1DIV: "virtually every category from photojournalism and sports through nature, wedding, portrait and fashion to commercial, industrial and law enforcement."
1DX: "such fields as sports photography, photojournalism and studio photography"
1DX2: "aimed at sports, news and wildlife"
1DX3: "Ideal for sports and wildlife"
R1: "in a wide range of fields including sports, news reporting and high-end video production"
Apparently the definition of “flagship” has also changed, from Petapixel “Canon seems confused about what it means to have a flagship camera in 2024. Flagship now means versatile and, unfortunately, the R1 is incredibly niche.”

Link: https://petapixel.com/2024/07/21/canon-doesnt-win-on-price-technology-or-public-opinion/
 
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