Canon EOS R1 Specifications [CR2]

[frankchn]

Sony initially priced the α9 at $4,499 in May 2017.
Sony introduced the α9II at $4,499 in 2019.
Sony introduced the α9III at $5,999 in 2023.

So, yes.

Yes, I have noticed the prices of interchangeable lens cameras going up.

The A9III is now competing in a different segment of the market compared to the A9II. The A9II was playing catch up with the Canikon flagships, so they have to price it lower to entice switchers. Now that they have caught up, they will price it at the same level as the Canikon flagships.

Meanwhile, the Z9 is priced $500 lower than the D6, the GFX 100 II is priced lower than the GFX 100, and the A6700 is the same price as the A6600 launched years earlier.

That is even before all the discounts Canon and others have been running for the last year driving prices lower. The R3 launched at $6000, and now can be had for $4500 new.

 

[frankchn]

Let's see.

The EOS 5D Mark IV debuted at $3,499 USD in 2016.
The EOS 1D Mark II debuted at $5,999 USD in 2016.

In 2020 during the mass confusion of the pandemic:

The EOS R5 shipped at $3,899 USD in July, 2020.
The EOS 1D Mark III first shipped at $6,499 USD in June, 2020.

So, yes.

Yes, I did notice that the price of interchangeable lens cameras in Canon's upper tier did increase in price over that period.

The 1DX Mark III launched with official pricing in January 2020, and shipped in February 2020 (I know because mine shipped from B&H on Valentine's Day 2020), before you can attribute any price increases to the pandemic.

The pricing of the 1DX also fluctuated from $6800 on the original 1DX, $6000 on the Mark II, and $6500 on the Mark III, so I am not sure you can attribute any price increases to inflation. Even looking at the 1DX2 -> 1DX3 increase, that is a <2% annual inflation rate.

Same with the 5D4 vs R5 -- that is a 11% price increase over 4 years or a 2.6% annualized inflation rate, hardly worth writing home about.

 

[EricN]

Even 4K broadcast only needs 8MP. There's absolutely no need for 120fps at full sensor resolution of a 20MP, 30MP, or 45MP sensor.

It's quite simple: if you plan to crop, you will need higher resolution. There are some people who will also need to slow down the speed, and they need higher frames per second. In a wildlife documentary, a predator and prey confrontation.

 

[EOS 4 Life]

I cant imagine Canon in the marketing material we got last Tuesday says up to 240fps for still jpegs. Then that 30MP is competitive... and there is no Quad focus. The camera is obsolete before it hits the shelves. What a grave dissapointment for those of you who thought Canon was going to stop the "Drip, Drip, Drip".

Why would you be surprised when your agency been supposedly testing this camera for months?
Oh wait, you completely made all of that up.

 

[neuroanatomist]

Why would you be surprised when your agency been supposedly testing this camera for months?
Oh wait, you completely made all of that up.

I'm sure Canon will listen to him and his 'agency'. After all, he threatened them with the loss of millions. He just neglected to say that he meant millions of ¥.

 

[Michael Clark]

It's quite simple: if you plan to crop, you will need higher resolution. There are some people who will also need to slow down the speed, and they need higher frames per second. In a wildlife documentary, a predator and prey confrontation.

We're talking in the context of the 2024 Summer Olympic Games, where broadcasts are live.

 

[EricN]

We're talking in the context of the 2024 Summer Olympic Games, where broadcasts are live.

I missed that part. Why are you limiting it to that?

 

[3kramd5]

The gap between microlenses that direct light that would otherwise fall on the wall into the pixel well is what you really mean, I think.

Better stated.

 

[neuroanatomist]

The gap between microlenses that direct light that would otherwise fall on the wall into the pixel well is what you really mean, I think.

Worth pointing out that for many years now, there have been no gaps. Canon introduced gapless microlenses on the 50D in 2008, everyone uses them now. That means that pixel pitch is functionally equivalent to pixel size.

 

[Michael Clark]

Worth pointing out that for many years now, there have been no gaps. Canon introduced gapless microlenses on the 50D in 2008, everyone uses them now. That means that pixel pitch is functionally equivalent to pixel size.

Light is wave energy. Any time the oscillation of a photon causes it to cross the boundary between one microlens and the next as it arrives at the microlens layer surface diffraction will occur and energy will be scattered with some of those photons not making it into either of the photosite wells, just as it occurs at the edge of aperture blades.

Perhaps I should have said "line" instead of "gap", but in the real world all lines, no matter how thin, have thickness as well as length.

 

[neuroanatomist]

Light is wave energy. Any time the oscillation of a photon causes it to cross the boundary between one microlens and the next as it arrives at the microlens layer surface diffraction will occur and energy will be scattered with some of those photons not making it into either of the photosite wells, just as it occurs at the edge of aperture blades.

Perhaps I should have said "line" instead of "gap", but in the real world all lines, no matter how thin, have thickness as well as length.

That’s why I stated ‘functionally equivalent’, not equal.

 

[Michael Clark]

That’s why I stated ‘functionally equivalent’, not equal.

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As the area of each individual microlens is significantly reduced by smaller and smaller linear dimensions due to increases in resolution of same sized sensors, the ratio of the two is also significantly reduced. Diffraction at the sensor level is already a real thing with small sensors, such as those in lower tier phones.

 

[neuroanatomist]

As the area of each individual microlens is significantly reduced by smaller and smaller linear dimensions due to increases in resolution of same sized sensors, the ratio of the two is also significantly reduced. Diffraction at the sensor level is already a real thing with small sensors, such as those in lower tier phones.

Please don’t conflate diffraction with the minuscule number of photons lost at the boundaries between pixels, and we’re discussing ILCs not low-end smartphones. When ILCs have pixel sizes under 1 micrometer, that might be relevant.

The point remains that the gaps between microlenses are now functionally irrelevant.

 

[3kramd5]

Even 4K broadcast only needs 8MP. There's absolutely no need for 120fps at full sensor resolution of a 20MP, 30MP, or 45MP sensor.

In a consumer camera, sure. But try telling that to the production crew for The Sphere. They shoot 120fps 18k x 18k (316MP)

 

[Michael Clark]

In a consumer camera, sure. But try telling that to the production crew for The Sphere. They shoot 120fps 18k x 18k (316MP)

Are they broadcasting worldwide Live in real-time?

 

[3kramd5]

Are they broadcasting worldwide Live in real-time?

My bad, I didn't see the word broadcast in your post (I have a bad habit of reading from back to front), and had no real reason to reply other than to geek out on stuff.

No, and I doubt there will be a suitable datastream for many years to come if ever.

 

[HarryFilm]

Then we have nothing to worry about, @HarryFilm already made the latter so no doubt he can provide the former as well.

As a matter of fact, YES WE CAN do a 20 mm to 2000 mm zoom lens made out of high refractive index Acrylic "glass". Right now we have been sending out test lenses of our super-zooms (i.e. 9600 mm focal length used for high-atmosphere aerial and orbital photography) made up of our acrylic lenses because I can now disclose our microball lens grid array that makes polymer (i.e. plastic lenses) so much easier to TUNE for specific optical pathways that "zoom-in" and "zoom-out" --- Doing what we are doing with actual Fluorite glass (i.e. what L-series Canon lenses use!) would be horrendously expensive and time-consuming. Optical-grade Acrylic plastic is the PERFECT lens material since it can be shaped and machined so easily. We only need to coat the very front and very back lens surfaces with a UV/IR reflecting coating AND a hard surface coating which in our case is a thick film vapour deposited SAPPHIRE to prevent scratches.

We will be entering the consumer and pro-level full frame and medium-format camera market-space so we will have an entire library of PRIME and ZOOM lenses made out of optical-grade Acrylic with Sapphire plus IR/UV-resistant front and back coatings to protect against sunlight-based polymer photo-degradation. We are ALSO entering the actual pro-level and consumer level Full Frame and Medium Format camera body market that have MULTIPLE image sensors set upon a rotating assembly (i.e. see previously disclosure of open source rotating sensor assembly posted here on CanonRumors by me!) that have a built-in 1.89:1 cinema production ratio 2048 by 1080p IR sensitive photosites nightvision sensor (use Quartz lens with that!), a 32 megapixel, 64 Megapixel and 128 megapixel 3:2 set of RGBA + Distance still photo and video sensors, a 1:1 square aspect ratio set of full-band Quartz-lens IR, UV and Xray astrophotography and scientific image sensors and a low-light greyscale-only 1.89:1 cinema production 2048 by 1080p at 17 microns per photosite for very good greyscale nightvision on an Octagonal-shaped rotating image sensor assembly. We have 256-level neutral density filters built-in that use an electrochromic shutter system that COMBINES super fast electro-chromic global shutter (1/120,000th of a second) and a 256-level Neutral density shutter that can be set via software or an actual on-camera-body hard dial. All the usual file and web streaming video and stills formats a supported with realtime RAW outut to external SSD Sata Drives that can be HOT-PLUGGED in mere seconds!

We have got a LOT of disclosures coming in the next few weeks of 60+ high-technology hardware/software designs, manufacturing and operating processes, source code and maintenance/best practices/help documentation that will be made worldwide fully-free and open sourced under GPL-3 licence terms.

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[3kramd5]

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[Jethro]

We have got a LOT of disclosures coming in the next few weeks of 60+ high-technology hardware/software designs, manufacturing and operating processes, source code and maintenance/best practices/help documentation that will be made worldwide fully-free and open sourced under GPL-3 licence terms.

Exciting times Harry - if the punishing release schedule for so many products and processes over the next few weeks allows, please don't forget to post some links here so we can check them out!

 

[HarryFilm]

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