Canon EOS R5 Mark II going to 60mp? [CR1]

Yes, that's beautiful though, but you may consider abut the scale of numbers; for each R6 or R5 sold, you sell 20 of R50/R100, 50 playstation/xbox, 200 cars and 500 computers, so there's sense, and manufacturing and marketing capabilities, of differentiate the various steps, accessories and models.

8 models for 2 (pro-level) cameras is frankly laughable.

Maybe because they are trying lots of things and in a limited market they can't offer that many options? For example, all the R bodies have slightly different layouts/ergonomics, they seem not to have settled on one "best" yet. Alternatively they may think your way would be too confusing for potential customers.


Even if it were true that lower res = better low light (which seems not to be the case for each given generation of sensor, and was never the case on an image level), do you really think the difference between 18MP and 24MP would be significant?
Nope, the difference between 18-24MP would not be significant. My list was supposed to show possible sensor types and should not be a proposal to sell all of them.
This idea would:
  • Require Canon to manufacture 8 different sensors for the list of mp’s that you mention
  • Changes in sensor (resolution) probably impact camera firmware as well
  • Complicate manufacturing of 8 slightly different types of camera’s
  • Impact the complete distribution chain from factory to individual retailers
  • Lower sales volumes for each individual model
  • Complicate the sales and marketing messages
The result would be a significant cost increase and thus more significant more expensive cameras
True and pointed out quite well, eight different models would be too much. I should have worded it differently and mention that two options would be nice and these are ideas I could think of (the eight I listed)

I do believe a R5s (whatever the MP will be) could use exactly the same ergonomics as the R5.
 
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More pixels, ,please...as long as 'snappiness' doesn't suffer.

I would be surprised if Canon released an 'update' to their flagship prosumer camera that included specification improvements at the cost of 'snappiness'.

Which reminds me...with the hardware and software improvements that have taken place over the past decade or so...I'd like to see a 2023 or 2024 version of Canon's S series of truly pocketable cameras (S90-S120 etc), updated to the max.
 
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This rumor is really old. The rumor sounds like Canon R5 II getting the old Sony sensor from the a7r IV... not good. If Canon is now taking Sony's hand me down's then Canon is no longer the camera company for professionals.
As far as I know, no Canon FF mirrorless has ever used a Sony sensor.
The R5 II will certainly be fitted with a Canon sensor, whether 60 MP, less or more.
We have heard and read so many rumors which have remained rumors...this one is no exception.
Sony trolls love them. ;)
 
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Frankly, interesting that the rumor is for 60 MP. In terms of resolution it is only a modest increase from 45 MP. I wonder if Canon would consider some type of pixel binning similar to the Leica M11 where one can acquire RAW files at 60 MP, 36 MP or 18 MP? Personally, I would rather see improvements in responsiveness, blackout free shooting, and AF rather than an increase in resolution. Just my opinion!
 
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More pixels, ,please...as long as 'snappiness' doesn't suffer.

I would be surprised if Canon released an 'update' to their flagship prosumer camera that included specification improvements at the cost of 'snappiness'.

Which reminds me...with the hardware and software improvements that have taken place over the past decade or so...I'd like to see a 2023 or 2024 version of Canon's S series of truly pocketable cameras (S90-S120 etc), updated to the max.
I wholeheartedly agree with this. As much as I enjoy my r3, r5 and r5c as professional workhorses they are not an every-day carry item. Nothing could ever replace big professional heavy glass like an 85 1.2 but I am quite desperate for something refreshed and truly pocketable that bridges the gap between an iPhone and a pro level camera like the G5X Mk II.
 
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If I recall right, in the past 20 years, Canon was never (? :unsure:) trying to beat Nikon with lower prices.
Most of the time, Canon was more expensive.
Canon bodies tend to be more expensive but the glass tends to be *somewhat* less. It kinda evens out in the end, however. Neither system is cheap until you get to lower-priced APS-C units.
 
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60MP is getting silly. As an R5 owner, 45 - even when I crop - is way more than sufficient. Going to those high MP levels is only catering to those spec-whores that think the only path to a better photo is more megapixels.

Keep it at 45MP, drop the thermals down more, and if I must ask for one thing, it would be to add dual CFExpress cards and do it all with the exact same form factor.
 
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Re: More Megapixels is too much

2 decades ago when the 6.3MP EOS 10D body was launched many were saying that 6.3MP was "enough".

Fast forward to today and we're pushing 61MP.

Megapixels, ISO, 8K resolution video, >30fps and other new feature helps push camera sales.

If the "enough" crowd said 6.3MP was all we would all need... would you be happy with that?
 
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Re: More Megapixels is too much

2 decades ago when the 6.3MP EOS 10D body was launched many were saying that 6.3MP was "enough".

Fast forward to today and we're pushing 61MP.

Megapixels, ISO, 8K resolution video, >30fps and other new feature helps push camera sales.

If the "enough" crowd said 6.3MP was all we would all need... would you be happy with that?
‘Enough’ doesn’t sell cameras. ‘More’ sells cameras. It doesn’t matter whether or not people think it’s enough (whatever it is), manufacturers will always offer more.
 
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It's not even about printing (although printing is still relevant). 20-24Mp images can't even fill an 8K screen.

8K displays are 33Mp, but for 3:2 aspect ratio sensor to cover it, it has to have at least 39Mp. With 4K DCI, it's 44Mp.
So The R5 with its 44 Mp cover that nicely. Add a little bit of cropability , and 45Mp feels a bit on the edge. 60Mp will work just fine.

Higher that 60Mp seems to be an overkill, at least for many years to come. 60Mp will be just right.
 
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‘Enough’ doesn’t sell cameras. ‘More’ sells cameras. It doesn’t matter whether or not people think it’s enough (whatever it is), manufacturers will always offer more.
Yes, you are right! But what happens with the IQ in the process? If you increase just the numeric (huh, and it's connected with the price too!) and it doesn't deliver? Fortunately most of the increased "numerics" are delivering and in my own terminology it says: step up! How many "steps up it needs to get it really different - ask the guys who create that and the custumers are the judges!) The world of photography is huge and really (naturally!) divers! I think when the manufacturers are offering "more" it's good - at least if that "more" is visible in your photos!!! If some guys don't need some of the "numerics" they are not obligated to buy the new camera (like someone shooting in studio with controlled light and distance - just one of the examples!). The computers and the programs for developing your (RAW) photos are going in unison with the trend (and especially the computers/monitors are getting way chipper in the process!). And yes: I'm talking from the point of view of wild-life shooter but I believe it's not hardly connected only to that category!
 
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It's not even about printing (although printing is still relevant). 20-24Mp images can't even fill an 8K screen.
What's the percentage of 8k screens "installed" in the market, considering desktop, laptop, mobile and tv? I'm pretty sure it's in the ballpark of 1%-2% max, probably much less then that, like ten times less.
Pretty sure at least 50% of laptops and desktop monitors used today is still 1080p or less.

Instagram max resolution in the feed is 1350x1080px...just short of 1.5mpx.

"24mpx can't fill 8k" is laughable, (almost) no one has an 8k display.
 
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As long as I have the option to shoot small raw files. On the 5dMk4 I could shoot small raw files and that\'s what I used 99% for work. When using the current R5 I waste a lot of time downsizing and processing.

The guys that print our outdoor signage only want 1mb files........
 
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