Canon EOS R5 Mark II unconfirmed specifications

[Uneternal]

16 stops of Dynamic Range vs 15 (of R5? )

I doubt that the R5 has 15 stops. According to photonstophotos.net it's more like 12 stops. Still, an improvement of 1 stop would bring the dynamic range into medium format terrain. I kinda hope that Canon finally makes use of these dual pixels, because theoretically they could read dual ISO values.

 

[Jodumedia]

I doubt that the R5 has 15 stops. According to photonstophotos.net it's more like 12 stops. Still, an improvement of 1 stop would bring the dynamic range into medium format terrain. I kinda hope that Canon finally makes use of these dual pixels, because theoretically they could read dual ISO values.

That is actual tested dynamic range on a noise ratio or recovery. I am talking about what canon says in marketing because that is what we are actually going to get on the 17th. Have yet to see a camera company other than Red or Arri that doesn't overstate the usable dynamic range.

I would say it is closer to 11 in some scenarios for the r5. But I am pretty sure they report 15 stops for the R5 (mark I) in marketing. I could be wrong though.

 

[dirtyvu]

As considering R5 to be a hybrid camera, they should get rid of overheating at least in 4k modes in the R5 Mark II

overheating stopped being an issue with overheating with the firmware changes. I've gone all day in hot summer wedding days recording 4KHQ all day long without overheating (though I did get heat warnings, but it was a far cry from the early firmwares where it prevented you from recording long even though the camera wasn't hot).

 

[vishaltpt]

So Curious about these possible video features. Which ones come will help determine if (when only looking at video) the R5II be a big enough upgrade over R5C.

Maybe some of these would only available with cooling attachment or something, that way they can still get the revenue similar to the R5C.

BTW this not a complaint. I am sure there will be a true cinema option at some point in some form, Just writing out my thoughts.

1. Faster Readout Speeds
   Due to Stacked Sensor (helpful in some scenarios but not a huge deal over R5C)
2. 16 stops of Dynamic Range vs 15 (of R5? )
   Cinema Raw Light plus cinema algorithms gave R5C about 3/4 of stop more than R5 already. So this improvement probably needs to be a real world 1.5-2 stops to matter to me.
3. C-Log2
   This would be great if #2 works out. So this might be a good reason to upgrade.
4. Some Cinema Video Features
   Would love video features of R5C. I am not expecting the cinema menu but hoping for ...
   False Color,
   Good Waveforms,
   anamorphic de-squeeze,
   Shutter Angle,
   Cinema Raw Light codecs instead of Canon Raw.
5. 8k60p
6. Full 8k 12bit Raw video output via HDMI and/or USB for all RAW frame rates.
   or.... ProRes internal recording but I would be shocked if that happened

ditto

 

[vishaltpt]

Canon should definitely continue the R5C line with the R5C Mark II upgrade.
Adding these video features on the Canon R5II would to be too much to ask.

Internal NDs on the R5C MK2 will be a game changer.
We need a small form factor FF cinema camera with internal NDs and 32-bit float audio recording. The Canon R5C MK2 has that potential.

It can be the equivalent of the Panasonic GH7 in the FF world. The GH7 has added some amazing features, making it a true modern-day hybrid pro stills + pro video camera.

Wish list for the Canon R5C MK2 (to be a true upgrade and a pro cine/hybrid cam): These are the Features already present in similarly priced cameras.

1. Internal ND (the Blackmagic 6K Pro has done it years ago at an affordable price point, so I guess Canon can too, if they want).

2. 32-bit float audio recording (like the GH7).

3. Better audio Preamps and physical audio dials.

4. two Mini XLRs and a locking 3.5mm audio input mic jack. ( (the Blackmagic 6K Pro has done it years ago)

5. Full-sized HDMI. (Blackmagic has it)

6. IBIS.

7. Canon Log2.

8. Canon RAW Light in 4K and 6K. Make Canon RAW Light as easy to edit as the RED R3D files. Canon needs to work on this. If they can manage to smoothen the post- production workflow of Canon RAW, then RED might have serious competition.

9. ProRes RAW and Arri RAW (like the GH7...but would canon do that?).

10. 16-bit RAW photos in stills mode to rival Hasselblad X1D

11. All Cinema Features like Waveform monitor, False Colour etc. etc. to stay.

12. Better organic High light Roll off in Video mode.
13. improved DR.
14. Digital Focus breathing correction ( aka Sony)

 

[DSB]

Canon should definitely continue the R5C line with the R5C Mark II upgrade.
Adding these video features on the Canon R5II would to be too much to ask.

Internal NDs on the R5C MK2 will be a game changer.
We need a small form factor FF cinema camera with internal NDs and 32-bit float audio recording. The Canon R5C MK2 has that potential.

It can be the equivalent of the Panasonic GH7 in the FF world. The GH7 has added some amazing features, making it a true modern-day hybrid pro stills + pro video camera.

Wish list for the Canon R5C MK2 (to be a true upgrade and a pro cine/hybrid cam): These are the Features already present in similarly priced cameras.

1. Internal ND (the Blackmagic 6K Pro has done it years ago at an affordable price point, so I guess Canon can too, if they want).

2. 32-bit float audio recording (like the GH7).

3. Better audio Preamps and physical audio dials.

4. two Mini XLRs and a locking 3.5mm audio input mic jack. ( (the Blackmagic 6K Pro has done it years ago)

5. Full-sized HDMI. (Blackmagic has it)

6. IBIS.

7. Canon Log2.

8. Canon RAW Light in 4K and 6K. Make Canon RAW Light as easy to edit as the RED R3D files. Canon needs to work on this. If they can manage to smoothen the post- production workflow of Canon RAW, then RED might have serious competition.

9. ProRes RAW and Arri RAW (like the GH7...but would canon do that?).

10. 16-bit RAW photos in stills mode to rival Hasselblad X1D

11. All Cinema Features like Waveform monitor, False Colour etc. etc. to stay.

12. Better organic High light Roll off in Video mode.
13. improved DR.
14. Digital Focus breathing correction ( aka Sony)

Nice wish list, but come on... Most of these are just wet dreams. A camera like that would destroy sales of the rest of the C line.

 

[sigh]

Nice wish list, but come on... Most of these are just wet dreams. A camera like that would destroy sales of the rest of the C line.

From that list, I think we could realistically get Clog 2 and a full sized HDMI port. I am actually not too bothered about the latter since I only use a monitor occasionally but as I mentioned in a previous post, it would be great to get true 4K 120p, rather than the overcranked 120p that is in the original R5.

In terms of video features, the inclusion of Clog 2 is probably the most important for me. Fingers crossed!

 

[vishaltpt]

Nice wish list, but come on... Most of these are just wet dreams. A camera like that would destroy sales of the rest of the C line.

Which of these do you think is outrageous?
OR that doesn't exist in other Cameras already.

Most of these above features have already been achieved by the competition & at affordable price points. TECH is moving FAST.

 

[vishaltpt]

In late 2015 ( ...9 years ago) , the SONY FS5 was launched as the 'world's first Camera with a built-in electronic variable Neutral Density (ND) filter'

 

[Uneternal]

6. IBIS.

No Canon cinema camera will get IBIS anytime soon as most filmmakers deem it unnecessary (Gimbal!) or even problematic. It creates wobble, it increases heat and therefore sensor noise. Also some filming styles like documentary or action rely on jerky motion but if you switch IBIS off it creates additional jerkiness due to the floating sensor.

16-bit is also unnecessary as long as you don't capture the dynamic range to fill at least a 14-bit RAW. Most full frame cameras have a dynamic range of 12 bits. So 16-bits has no advantage over 14 bits, just 4 bits instead of 2 bits that are filled with zeros.

 

[sigh]

Which of these do you think is outrageous?
OR that doesn't exist in other Cameras already.

Most of these above features have already been achieved by the competition & at affordable price points. TECH is moving FAST.

Internal NDs, min XLRs, Canon Raw Light, ProRes Raw and cinema features are all unrealistic. Competitors may have them but Canon likely won't introduce them as it will hurt their cinema line. You can't have everything and I think if you take a step back, you'll probably appreciate you can live without all these features in a hybrid camera at the price point of the R5II.

 

[vishaltpt]

Canon Running slow ‘to protect its top Cinema line’ is not an option anymore.

Canon has to decide quickly about including cutting-edge tech down the camera line.

Complacency in the tech world often leads to obliteration. There are loads of examples: Da Vinci Resolve Studio now beats Adobe Premiere Pro and Final Cut hands down. DJI created the drone camera market out of nowhere, and SONY innovates and keeps including features faster than the competition. Fuji GFX and Hasselblad have brought medium format image capture down to near full-frame prices. Fuji is doing great in the APS-C space, and so is Panasonic with their GH7. High-end features are becoming increasingly affordable. The RF lenses are too steeply priced; no wonder many Canon users are still holding on to their EF lenses. The high prices of Canon RF and Sony glass have led to the mushrooming of smaller countless lens innovators like TTArtisans, 7Artisans, Laowa, Sirui, IRIX, Thypoch, DZO, Voigtlander, you name it. Some of these offerings are exceptionally good and innovative. The future is 3D, stereoscopic, Apple Glass, VR, 360 video, and mobile cameras are catching up fast. The traditional camera market has shrunk due to these new options for capturing images, Canon is already operating in a very small niche of the image capture market. So it has to ADD FEATURES to make it’s offerings attractive, because there are OPTIONS available.

Nikon x RED video cameras are on the way soon!

So, Canon Running slow ‘to protect its top Cinema line’ is not an option anymore.

 

[scyrene]

Canon Running slow ‘to protect its top Cinema line’ is not an option anymore.

Canon has to decide quickly about including cutting-edge tech down the camera line.

Complacency in the tech world often leads to obliteration.

There it is! Predicting doom for Canon because they don't deliver your desired unicorn has a poor track record

Why is it "not an option anymore (sic)" when it was before (which is the implication)?

 

[vishaltpt]

What! - Who is Predicting doom for Canon ??

 

[neuroanatomist]

There it is! Predicting doom for Canon because they don't deliver your desired unicorn has a poor track record

Why is it "not an option anymore (sic)" when it was before (which is the implication)?

I think the logic (to the extent that there is any) is that if enough people pick up a turd and throw it at the wall, at some point maybe it will stick. Either way, it doesn’t stop the stench from clinging to them.

 

[vishaltpt]

No Canon cinema camera will get IBIS anytime soon as most filmmakers deem it unnecessary (Gimbal!) or even problematic. It creates wobble, it increases heat and therefore sensor noise. Also some filming styles like documentary or action rely on jerky motion but if you switch IBIS off it creates additional jerkiness due to the floating sensor.

16-bit is also unnecessary as long as you don't capture the dynamic range to fill at least a 14-bit RAW. Most full frame cameras have a dynamic range of 12 bits. So 16-bits has no advantage over 14 bits, just 4 bits instead of 2 bits that are filled with zeros.

No , Can't agree with your argument - "most filmmakers deem IBIS unnecessary or even problematic."

Had that been the case SONY wouldn't have included IBIS in the BURANO...the PRO's demanded IBIS, so it found it's way ...and that is a $25000 camera!!
So IBIS is very much what the PRO's want in 2024 and beyond.

and you should reconsider "12 bit is not that much better than 16-bit" What???

 

[scyrene]

What! - Who is Predicting doom for Canon ??

"Obliteration" is not doom?

 

[vishaltpt]

IMO : As a R5C user, "Going from the Canon R5C to the R5II with the rumored specs would be a downgrade"

As a R5C customer:
What I want is an upgrade to the R5C in more ways than one.
And I am putting up a case,
that the R5C mark II can be a beast if it can include the features already present in similarly priced cameras from the competition. Thanks.

 

[neuroanatomist]

IMO : As a R5C user, "Going from the Canon R5C to the R5II with the rumored specs would be a downgrade"

As a R5C customer:
What I want is an upgrade to the R5C in more ways than one.
And I am putting up a case,
that the R5C mark II can be a beast if it can include the features already present in similarly priced cameras from the competition. Thanks.

Then say that, it's reasonable. But you didn't. What you stated was...

• "Canon [doing what they do] is not an option anymore."
• "Canon has to..."
• "Complacency in the tech world often leads to obliteration."
• "So [Canon] has to ADD FEATURES [that I personally think they should] to make it’s offerings attractive..."

Lots of people on this forum have made similar comments for well over a decade. Canon has to improve their low ISO DR...or else. Canon needs to improve their autofocus...or else. Canon must include [insert whatever feature someone personally wants]...or else. Somehow, even without doing/including whatever those individuals said Canon had to do, Canon still manages to lead and even dominate the camera market...meaning the people making such statements end up looking like fools. You think Canon should do something, fine. But realize that your opinion doesn't represent the majority of the market.

I really don't get why people seem to think they know more about making and selling cameras than the company that's led the industry for over 20 years, but somehow they do. When challenged, they start waving the Kodak and Nokia flags, as if two exceptional examples among hundreds of successful companies somehow prove their point. It's a pattern that repeats over and over on these forums, and you're fitting right into the mold. But feel free to go on predicting that Canon will suffer obliteration if they don't do what you say they must. And maybe you'll actually kick the football this time, Charlie Brown.

 

[Quack]

I’m sure it will have pre-capture. I just hope it doesn’t require Canon s/w to extract like the R7 does.

You can extract in-camera, which is much easier. You can also then delete the rest of the burst - or the entire burst - with one click. This makes it much easier than the other brands I have used.