Canon Interview: EOS R1 is the true flagship
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Sure, sure. And there's still lots of discussion about the moon landing being faked, and the earth being flat. Do those need to be debunked better, too?
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Of course not. People seem to think that just because they want something, everyone else wants that thing, too. Could the company that has led the camera market for 21 years possibly know more about designing and selling cameras than they do?
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Well, it's also driven by pretty much every talking head in our little niche that for some inexplicable reason, a lot of people listen to. Though, Canon does play a role in it by using those people to launch products.
I mean there's a guy that just reviewed a desk (greatest desk ever!) and has done nothing but crap on the R1.... and has never posted a photo he has taken.... well, except of his desk.
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when it comes to the 1 series and the more professional gear - without a doubt Canon knows what they are doing. They have led that market for far longer than 21 years.
When it comes to consumer - I think there's grey area there.
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I wonder what fraction of likely R1 buyers those desk-chair experts actually reach? I doubt it’s very high, or has much impact. Pretty much every Canon camera gets bashed, somehow Canon still manages to sell more of them that the next three brands combined.
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Consumer cameras sell far more units than professional cameras. Canon has nearly 50% market share. There’s nothing grey about it (except for those poor saps in the UK who have to buy cameras that way).
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I think they do more spray and pray. they have a formula - aka Rebel lineup which has always been hugely popular, but it's not as if the consumer lineup hasn't had it's missteps - far more than the 1 or 5 series as an example.
and it makes sense. the professional gear gets far more attention to detail.
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Not many, we'll have some R1 buyers in the CR community. The majority of R1 buyers aren't watching YouTube, reading PetaPixel or Canon Rumors (though a few pop in for giggles). There are some Canon domains fairly regularly though.
So it boggles my brain as to why Canon and others would send these people these types of products.
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We both know you wanted to mention the R100 there.
Still, the fact remains that despite some missteps, their market share remained dominant even as the whole industry changed.
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It is part of standard marketing right? Same reason why Ferrari sends their hypercars to Car & Driver for review. No one in the position to buy a LaFerrari hinges their decision on whether C&D gives it a good review.
Sure you want the camera to be useful to the target market, but the flagship camera also plays a part in creating hype and awareness for the brand as a whole. Same thing with the white superteles — sure it might be useful in heat dissipation, but the extra marketing Canon got definitely didn’t hurt.
Most people who read PP or DPR or whatever won’t buy the R1, but they might well think “oh maybe I can get some of the AI AF and ECAF goodies on my next camera”.
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Where did this myth that RAW files over 24megapixels are too big to work with quickly? Any recent desktop or laptop is perfectly capable of handling 24 or 50 megapixel files at the same rate. The bottleneck in not the software/hardware/network it is the HUMAN operating the software making decisions. For 24 megapixel files 99% workflow time is human thinking/moving mouse. For 50 megapixel files 98% of workflow time is human thinking/moving mouse. The difference is not significant.
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Agreed. But they’ll come here to tell everyone about its shortcomings anyway, then explain how they’re going to sell their two 1D XIII’s and three R3’s and switch to Sony just like all their friends have done.
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You see that everywhere with everything online, this is nothing special. Going back to cars, there were flame wars over 918 vs LaFerrari vs P1. I bet no one participating in those had ever driven even one of those, never mind owning one.
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You do have some buyers of the R1 in the CR community - I'm one of them.
I find it incredibly funny that people try to discuss reasons as to why people are going to buy a camera or not going to buy a camera, wildly generalizing or believing everybody must follow some individual's personal opinions, especially their own. I obviously read CanonRumors, but also other websites. I mainly stopped YouTube, because the talking heads over there just try to make a living out of telling people how much better their opinions are, mostly without bothering about what other people try to do with such cameras.
I'm not even into sports. I'm not a pro, I don't make a living from my pictures. Still I buy the R1, I ordered it a few minutes after I read the specs. On top of the R5MkII that I ordered as well. To replace my R3 and R5. I'm sure I'm not the only one here.
Why? Because this camera provides significant benefits to my personal use case of how I do photography.
If somebody else would tell me I made a bad choice because the R1 does not have higher resolution and does not meet expectations of people in forums or in social media, it would not impress me much. Even less if that said person has no intentions of buying one or an equivalent from a competitor (I'm ex-Nikon and ex-Sony). If people think I waste my money, then fine... but it is my money and I can decide for myself on how I spend it - I worked hard for it and although I have to cut spending elsewhere, I typically have a lot of fun using those cameras.
Would it have been nice to get some of the features that people like to talk about so much? Sure, some higher resolution would have been nice. Maybe with the R1MkII and maybe I'm going to buy it. But resolution is not that important to me, so I might skip it, we'll see.
My use case? Cold and wet and dark... perfect for me.
Why do I want the R1? Improved Eye Control AF. I once spotted a white penguin in a colony and could not get the R3 to put it in focus before it vanished into the sea.
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Yup, same here. Used to do sports, not any more. Ordered 2 R1s and an R5II to replace a pair of R3s and an R5.
I talk about what I wish Canon would launch for me (give me an R5II sensor in an R1 body and I will buy that to replace the R5/R5II), but generally I am happy with what Canon is offering right now.
Sure, some stuff isn't targeted at me (Dual VR lenses, etc) but no one said I have to buy absolutely everything Canon launches
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Personally, I was waiting for the R1 since the R3. I was so excited for it to come out and when the specs were finally revealed, I was kinda bummed. I had it on pre-order for a day and half until I relented and cancelled it for the R5 II. I loved the 1D, but the R1 just isn't all there, at least compared to the R3. If it had a 32mp sensor (like the 5D's) and MAYBE global shutter(I can leave it or take it), I probably would have been more excited. I love the improvements in video tech for these 2 cameras, but for photos, there's really nothing new that's huge. Again, for me personally. The R1 would have been nice to go with my R3.
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