Canon: No Plans for High Resolution R1

[Richard CN]

That's fine, as long as you realize the irrelevance (to Canon) of airing complaints here.

but it's my job to whine

I whined about lack of powershots and a small APS-C camera and now they are happening.

So in my world I'm assuming then that Canon reads canonrumors.com and read my whining about it. They then held a meeting and went "we need to do something, Richard's pissed.. "

and lo and behold, here we are.

 

[roby17269]

That's fine, as long as you realize the irrelevance (to Canon) of airing complaints here.

Are you implying that fora like this one are irrelevant? <shock/>
I do realize that don't worry.... won't prevent me from regaling everyone with my unrequested $0.02-worth pearls of wisdom.

Agency 'shopping' is done by the procurement department, not by the photographers. CRguy's comment about Sony giving away half of their flagships referred to that – agencies switched to Sony because free cameras are the best cameras available...to accountants.

Point taken, although we do not really know if their photographers are happy / sad / indifferent about those decisions.

As you say, Canon doesn't care if they get your money, so they will have to...do what they are going to do anyway. What they've done for the past two decades has been 'right' as far as the camera market is concerned.

That's fine. I will continue to vote with my wallet, as I've always done. Whether my voting agrees or not with the majority has never mattered to me (in the context of buying photographic gear)

 

[neuroanatomist]

but it's my job to whine

I whined about lack of powershots and a small APS-C camera and now they are happening.

So in my world I'm assuming then that Canon reads canonrumors.com and read my whining about it. They then held a meeting and went "we need to do something, Richard's pissed.. "

and lo and behold, here we are.

Yes, we all know that Canon does what they do just to make you happy. Case in point:

 

[roby17269]

did they purchase them solely on the basis of resolution or the fact that they are the flagship models of those respective brands?

Well... who knows? I most certainly do not.
Would you say that people bought the R1 because of 24mp and would not have bought a R1 with higher resolution?
I do not know Sony's sales numbers, but it would be interesting to see A1 II v A9 III.

Regardless why would that matter? Canon does not offer a high-res flagship, the other manufacturers do. That fact matters to me. What others photographers buy and why they do it much less so

 

[neuroanatomist]

Point taken, although we do not really know if their photographers are happy / sad / indifferent about those decisions.

I've often said that if you can't take good pictures with any current camera, the problem isn't the camera. That's even more true at the professional level.

That's fine. I will continue to vote with my wallet, as I've always done. Whether my voting agrees or not with the majority has never mattered to me (in the context of buying photographic gear)

Exactly right, nor should it...ever.

 

[arashm]

Well I for one am blown away by the images coming from my R1. So beautifully clean. This MP banter is extremely overblown. I suppose it depends on what you actually shoot, subject wise, but it seems clear that Canon have drawn lines which stressing about it on the internet will not change.

I'm always amazed that people make such comments, just because a product is fine for them, then it must be for everyone, There is a reason the GFX 100 is becoming the go to camera for commercial and advertising photographers. All images shot have to be cropped for multi aspect ratio delivery, 24MPX gets very small very fast. "I" want a canon High-res pro body with vertical grip, Canon has drawn the line in the sand, which they have the right to do, but they are pushing people like me to other (GFX) platforms!

 

[mmmm]

I'm always amazed that people make such comments, just because a product is fine for them, then it must be for everyone, There is a reason the GFX 100 is becoming the go to camera for commercial and advertising photographers. All images shot have to be cropped for multi aspect ratio delivery, 24MPX gets very small very fast. "I" want a canon High-res pro body with vertical grip, Canon has drawn the line in the sand, which they have the right to do, but they are pushing people like me to other (GFX) platforms!

And the same is true in reverse. Glad you have found what you’re looking for. That’s the thing with the camera market, plenty of options.

 

[roby17269]

I've often said that if you can't take good pictures with any current camera, the problem isn't the camera. That's even more true at the professional level.

So we agree, "indifferent" would have been my bet too

 

[Canon Rumors]

Well... why would that matter to me?
While I am not one to say "Canon is d00med" or some such nonsense, and I am well aware that Canon is outselling the competitors, that doesn't change by a single iota the fact that I am not satisfied with Canon's choices in recent times and that I much prefer the direction Nikon has taken, market shares be damned.
I am nowhere near to the point of even starting to consider jumping ship, but this is my hobby and my passion, so if I am not happy I air it.

Well, it's weird to spend money on products you're not happy with. That point is..... Nikon has a great lineup of lenses and the camera you want? Why not just "jump ship"?

For many for sure, not for me.

Agencies seems to be shopping around and Canon has lost some.

Agencies change from time to time. As mentioned, Sony gives their stuff away. The same thing Canon did to take the market from Nikon in the 80s and 90s. It's not a new.

I would...
I'm under no illusion that my money matters to Canon in the grand scheme of things. But if Canon does want more of my money, then they will have to make some different moves, simple as that.
In the meantime, DJI will get some and so will Hasselblad second hand sellers for my beloved (and truly and sadly dead) HC system.

Canon is the only camera company making actual money on this stuff. Fuji makes all theirs with Instax, Sony doesn't segment their financials, and there's only one reason why. Nikon? C'mon.......................

Lots of people would buy things that don't exist. I can think of some amazing products that I can't believe they won't make for me.

 

[arashm]

And the same is true in reverse. Glad you have found what you’re looking for. That’s the thing with the camera market, plenty of options.

Yes but after shooting Canon for almost 30 years (my first camera was the RT, then saved my money for the OG EOS-1) I have to look elsewhere, GFX is ok, but what I really miss the EYE/ Face AF from the canon R series. That's why I want a Highres pro body

 

[neuroanatomist]

I'm always amazed that people make such comments, just because a product is fine for them, then it must be for everyone, There is a reason the GFX 100 is becoming the go to camera for commercial and advertising photographers. All images shot have to be cropped for multi aspect ratio delivery, 24MPX gets very small very fast. "I" want a canon High-res pro body with vertical grip, Canon has drawn the line in the sand, which they have the right to do, but they are pushing people like me to other (GFX) platforms!

I'm always amazed that people seem to think what they and 'people like them' buy in any way represents a significant factor. Just for some perspective, if 2-3% of the ILCs Fuji sells are GFX models (that's probably an overestimate, Canon's 1-series in the same price ballpark is ~1.5% of their sales), then there are 3,000-5,000 GFX units sold per year. Canon expects to sell around 45,000 R1 units per year.

 

[mmmm]

Yes but after shooting Canon for almost 30 years (my first camera was the RT, then saved my money for the OG EOS-1) I have to look elsewhere, GFX is ok, but what I really miss the EYE/ Face AF from the canon R series. That's why I want a Highres pro body

To be fair, over half of that 30 years you speak of, canon have never offered what you want in a ‘pro body’. And prior to that, when they did it was with less MP than the current R1. You’re asking for something that’s never really existed in the first place. Canon offer what you want with the r5ii, assuming 45mp is enough - just not with the same body as the R1.

That is a choice you have to make, if it’s not what you want then yes, you’ll need to go elsewhere. That’s just life.

 

[roby17269]

Well, it's weird to spend money on products you're not happy with. That point is..... Nikon has a great lineup of lenses and the camera you want? Why not just "jump ship"?

I've spent money on things that turned out were not a right buy for me, it happens. Are you happy with everything you've bought? Congrats if you are.
Of my Canon gear, I am unhappy with the 35 1.4... it is ok but every time I pick it up I think about how I wish it was a 1.2. - I am happy about the rest.
So I am not unhappy with everything they have done till recent past, far from it, but I am whining about their current direction. Not a single one of the recent rumors and surprises made me want to (pre)order those items.

Why no jump? Various reasons... some are:

• As mentioned I do not hate, far from it, my Canon gear (apart maybe from the 35... not so much per se but because of the missing thing it represents)
• I already have 2 systems and no room for a 3rd one
• Family peace

Canon is the only camera company making actual money on this stuff. Fuji makes all theirs with Instax, Sony doesn't segment their financials, and there's only one reason why. Nikon? C'mon.......................

Last time I have heard, Nikon has still made a profit, albeit smaller of course...
But again, why would I care about this argument? Should I stop liking my Hassy gear because of the company's misfortunes?

Lots of people would buy things that don't exist. I can think of some amazing products that I can't believe they won't make for me.

Yes.... so? Where's my RF 35 1.2?!?

 

[Richard CN]

Yes, we all know that Canon does what they do just to make you happy. Case in point:

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to be fair, I wasn't working at CanonRumors when they came out with this abomination.

 

[neuroanatomist]

to be fair, I wasn't working at CanonRumors when they came out with this abomination.

So you’re saying you’ll take no responsibility for the R200.

 

[Del Paso]

Yes, we all know that Canon does what they do just to make you happy. Case in point:

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What a beautiful picture!

 

[EricN]

I know there must be someone who could be very happy with the purchase of a Nikon Z9 with 35mm f1.2

 

[Del Paso]

I know there must be someone who could be very happy with the purchase of a Nikon Z9 with 35mm f1.2

I can't imagine who you are speaking of.
I need a clue...

 

[Richard CN]

So you’re saying you’ll take no responsibility for the R200.

I hope Canon has learnt their ways by now, it's not as if I haven't told the;m enough

 

[whomst]

Well.. Canon sold more R3's and now R1's than Sony and Nikon sell of their "flagships" combined times 10.

Where do you find the numbers for this?